Execution

[All Else Failed]

i'm not even going to try lol.

No, please try.

Find me someone who's killed more than once who's been rehabilitated and is now a productive member of society.

When did i ever say I want serial murderers released? People who kill more than once are not usually worth rehabilitating. I'm talking about people who have committed one killing, who may be salvageable.

I do. If someone can't be rehabilitated, yet still had the presense of mind to plan and execute a cold blooded murder. Why do they deserve to be alive?

How many of you would change your opinion if your best friend, daughter, wife, husband, son, grandparent, parent, or anyone else you're close with was murdered?

They deserve to be alive because all human life has value. You can't just kill people because they are inconvenient to you.


I wouldn't change my opinion. I would want them to spend the rest of their live sin a cell. Thats more of a punishment.

So now you're saying if they're sentenced to life for a heinous crime, but can fool people into thinking they're rehabilitated, you'd let them back into society?

So we can't kill em, and we shouldn't keep them in jail.

[sarcasm]Brilliant plan.[/sarcasm]

The process would be comprehensive and scientific. They would not be able to fool the professionals involved, and the process won't be simple.

NO you misunderstand me. We SHOULD keep them in jail. BUT, if they are sentenced and they have parole coming up where they could POSSIBLY get out, they should be rehabilitated IF they are to reenter society, and IF they do enter society once again,. they are to closely monitored.

 

[Homer]

maybe you should start a rooming house for killers .

 

[All Else Failed]

maybe you should start a rooming house for killers .

Cool Idea, I'll hire you to scrub the toilets. :nanajig:

 

[Homer]

it's not even worth getting into a fight with a little coward like you.:lol2:

 

[dt3]

The process would be comprehensive and scientific. They would not be able to fool the professionals involved, and the process won't be simple.

The human mind and human behavior aren't exactly scientific fields of study.

 

[Mrs Behavin]

Just thought Id throw this out there:

KATV Channel 7 - State Parole Board Rejects Inmate's Clemency Request

Little Rock (AP) - A divided Arkansas Board of Parole Monday rejected Terrick Nooner's plea for clemency, paving the way for the death row inmate to be executed next month.

The board's non-binding 4-3 recommendation to Governor Beebe was released Monday morning. The board last week heard testimony from Nooner and from relatives of Scot Stobaugh, who was killed in 1993 at a Little Rock coin laundry.

The 36-year-old Nooner faces a September 18th execution.

Board members John Belken, John Felts, Carolyn Robinson and Lynn Story voted against Nooner's request for clemency. Board chairman Leroy Brownlee, Abraham Carpenter and Richard Mays, Jr. voted that Nooner's request had merit.

Nooner attorney Julie Brain told the Parole Board that a surveillance video showed the gunman who killed Stobaugh was the same height as Nooner's convicted accomplice, Robert Rockett.

Brain also said Nooner suffers from mental problems.

At the hearing last week, deputy Attorney General Joseph V. Svoboda said Nooner faked mental illness and killed Stobaugh for a thrill.

Brownlee recommended that Nooner's sentence be commuted to life without parole. He commented that there is too much doubt surrounding the case to carry a capital

 

[All Else Failed]

it's not even worth getting into a fight with a little coward like you.:lol2:

How does cowardice fit into this discussion? :confused

 

[All Else Failed]

The human mind and human behavior aren't exactly scientific fields of study.

...what......have you ever heard of psychology or Psychiatry? Both are behavioral sciences.

 

[Homer]

How does cowardice fit into this discussion? :confused

you like to disrespect people from a pc and say things that you and i both know you wouldn't say to my face or anyone eles , your avatar says it all only a coward would throw a fire bomb at people from far away so he could run like the little coward you are .:eek ps you want more keep busting my balls.

 

[GraceAbounds]

Peter i never said every killing should end in the death of the killer but those who are out to kill for the sake of killing or kill while commiting a crime well i feel they gave up the right to live when they took that road , we all make mistakes that happens like when people die in a car recks but when some punk gets pulled over by a cop for running a red light and pulls a gun and kills the cop because he's got something to hide that cops wife looses her husbend his kids loose their father , why shouldn't the killer pay with his life was it just a mistake that he had his finger on the triger.

Great post and agree'd.

For criminals that don't get the death sentence I believe they should have to pay REAL RETRIBUTION. If they took the life of a father (for example), a provider, etc. then the criminal should have to pay retribution by providing the funds that the father cannot now provide. If the criminal doesn't pay retribution in whatever way is set forth by the courts and the family, the criminal goes back to jail. If the criminal pays retribution, retribution will succeed in helping not only the family to heal, but the criminal as well.

Retribution demands action that says "I'm sorry for what I did and am willing to make it as right as I possibly can". Retribution teaches a lesson that sitting in a cell just can't do. Through retribution we can redeem ourselves in our own eyes and possibly in the eyes of others.

Some criminals however have no desire to make retribution, they don't care about being redeemed, and to their core are evil. They have no place in society except to do harm and to them justice should be served. The justice system killing a person guilty of murdering someone on purpose (not out of self defense) is justice , not murder.

 

[GraceAbounds]

...what......have you ever heard of psychology or Psychiatry? Both are behavioral sciences.

They try to pass their selves off as science but they aren't. In psychology they cannot study things that do harm because they cannot ethically duplicate things that do harm in a study. Neither can psychology truly study things like spirituality. They are not able to get 'into' the thoughts of people. It is impossible. Now clinical psychology, the study of the brain, transmitters, etc., that is scientific. Behavior, no. More like educated guesses. Psychology on many levels is wonderful, but on other levels they do more harm than good imo because they try to pass things off things as fact that aren't because they cannot truly duplicate the environment for an unbiased study.

 

[TheOriginalJames]

They deserve to be alive because all human life has value. You can't just kill people because they are inconvenient to you.

I value the innocent persons life more than I value the person who took that innocent persons life.

If you're going to impose your will on someone and end their ability to experience life, your life just became far less valuable to me. There are people who are a waste of sperm, and there are people who aren't. You kill someone you get no respect from me. Plain and simple. I hate how this is described as 'revenge' when I think of it as Karma. What comes around goes around.

 

[All Else Failed]

you like to disrespect people from a pc and say things that you and i both know you wouldn't say to my face or anyone eles , your avatar says it all only a coward would throw a fire bomb at people from far away so he could run like the little coward you are .:eek ps you want more keep busting my balls.

Actually I've said the very same things to a lot of people's face in real life sooo.....


Stop trying to be some sort of internet tough guy.


And lmaooooo he's not throwing a firebomb. Its a bouquet of flowers. Its a famous anarchist symbol. Maybe you should educate yourself on things like this before you speak.

Oh homey, you make me laugh.

They try to pass their selves off as science but they aren't. In psychology they cannot study things that do harm because they cannot ethically duplicate things that do harm in a study. Neither can psychology truly study things like spirituality. They are not able to get 'into' the thoughts of people. It is impossible. Now clinical psychology, the study of the brain, transmitters, etc., that is scientific. Behavior, no. More like educated guesses. Psychology on many levels is wonderful, but on other levels they do more harm than good imo because they try to pass things off things as fact that aren't because they cannot truly duplicate the environment for an unbiased study.

Grace, with all due respect (and I mean it, I like you) you're wrong. Science is defined as[SIZE=-1]: Science refers to either:* the scientific method – a process for evaluating empirical knowledge; or* the organized body of knowledge gained by this process. Psychology uses all of those. [/SIZE]Psychology IS a mental science. Its not impossible to get into someone's mind. Psychologists have been doing this for decade's. We've also been able to figure out why people behave as they due. Really, it's all explained how its done and works in a Psyche 101 class.

I value the innocent persons life more than I value the person who took that innocent persons life.

If you're going to impose your will on someone and end their ability to experience life, your life just became far less valuable to me. There are people who are a waste of sperm, and there are people who aren't. You kill someone you get no respect from me. Plain and simple. I hate how this is described as 'revenge' when I think of it as Karma. What comes around goes around.

So you shouldn't value everyone involved in the capital punishment process, they are murdering someone.

What people have to understand is, is that you can never justify murder. Just because a lot of people THINK its ok to kill a killer, they are being total hypocrites and are turning themselves into what they are putting to death! MURDERERS.

 

[Homer]

Actually I've said the very same things to a lot of people's face in real life sooo.....


Stop trying to be some sort of internet tough guy.


And lmaooooo he's not throwing a firebomb. Its a bouquet of flowers. Its a famous anarchist symbol. Maybe you should educate yourself on things like this before you speak.

Oh homey, you make me laugh.








Grace, with all due respect (and I mean it, I like you) you're wrong. Science is defined as[SIZE=-1]: Science refers to either:* the scientific method – a process for evaluating empirical knowledge; or* the organized body of knowledge gained by this process. Psychology uses all of those. [/SIZE]Psychology IS a mental science. Its not impossible to get into someone's mind. Psychologists have been doing this for decade's. We've also been able to figure out why people behave as they due. Really, it's all explained how its done and works in a Psyche 101 class.

a coward with a big mouth .

 

[dt3]

We've also been able to figure out why people behave as they do.

No. We've identified trends in why people behave the way they do, but not all abused kids become serial killers and not all serial killers were abused kids. You can't take one thing and apply it across the board to everyone.

 

[All Else Failed]

a coward with a big mouth .

Do you flex while you type?

 

[All Else Failed]

No. We've identified trends in why people behave the way they do, but not all abused kids become serial killers and not all serial killers were abused kids. You can't take one thing and apply it across the board to everyone.

I agree, we shouldn't generalize across the board, thats not how science works. We can take each person case by case and figure out why they tick.


Trust me....its a science.

 

[dt3]

Just because a lot of people THINK its ok to kill a killer, they are being total hypocrites and are turning themselves into what they are putting to death! MURDERERS.

Just because you THINK it makes us hypocrites, doesn't mean any of us care.

 

[All Else Failed]

Just because you THINK it makes us hypocrites, doesn't mean any of us care.

So you don't care if you truly are a hypocrite?

 

[Sneakiecat]

I agree, we shouldn't generalize across the board, thats not how science works. We can take each person case by case and figure out why they tick.


Trust me....its a science.

As a social science, psychology attempts to understand the role human behavior plays in social dynamics (e.g., culture, economics, and politics).

Not a lot in psychology is certain. You can still make lots of mistakes taking each person case by case.