YOUR Trayvon Martin theory - what exactly happened?

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Re: YOUR Treyvon Martin theory - what exactly happened?

Here's mine:

A reporter saw a good story and printed it. Bigots came out of the woodwork absolutely convinced that it was a murder based on racial hatred, this opinion completely based on nothing more than the dead person had dark skin. That was all the proof they needed to call for a lynching.

And then the white conservative bigots saw Al sharpton and Jesse Jackson speaking on the issue and their little pea brains exploded. So then they concocted twisted stories to justify the killing of a 17 year old kid and created their new gun rights hero George Zimmerman.

And all the little pea brained conservative Zimmerbots lived happily ever after.
 
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Re: YOUR Treyvon Martin theory - what exactly happened?

And then the white conservative bigots saw Al sharpton and Jesse Jackson speaking on the issue and their little pea brains exploded. So then they concocted twisted stories to justify the killing of a 17 year old kid and created their new gun rights hero George Zimmerman.

And all the little pea brained conservative Zimmerbots lived happily ever after.
That happened too? I wouldn't doubt it. I've been watching mostly MSNBC for news lately. They stream live.
 

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Re: YOUR Treyvon Martin theory - what exactly happened?

Here's mine:

A reporter saw a good story and printed it. Bigots came out of the woodwork absolutely convinced that it was a murder based on racial hatred, this opinion completely based on nothing more than the dead person had dark skin. That was all the proof they needed to call for a lynching.

... Zimmerman referring to Martin as a "coon?"
 

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Re: YOUR Treyvon Martin theory - what exactly happened?

And then the white conservative bigots saw Al sharpton and Jesse Jackson speaking on the issue and their little pea brains exploded. So then they concocted twisted stories to justify the killing of a 17 year old kid and created their new gun rights hero George Zimmerman.

And all the little pea brained conservative Zimmerbots lived happily ever after.
Not at all John
The former NCCAP leader explains their motives here..has nothing to do with conservatives in general...but guess what he is called a conservative for bringing this to light

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Former NAACP leader C.L. Bryant is accusing Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton of “exploiting” the Trayvon Martin tragedy to “racially divide this country.”

“His family should be outraged at the fact that they’re using this child as the bait to inflame racial passions,” Rev. C.L. Bryant said in a Monday interview with The Daily Caller.

The conservative black pastor who was once the chapter president of the Garland, Texas NAACP called Jackson and Sharpton “race hustlers” and said they are “acting as though they are buzzards circling the carcass of this young boy.”

Jackson, for example, recently said Martin’s death shows how “blacks are under attack” and “targeting, arresting, convicting blacks and ultimately killing us is big business.” (SEE ALSO: Jesse Jackson says Trayvon Martin ‘murdered and martyred’)

George Zimmerman, a neighborhood watch captain, killed Martin, a 17-year-old black man who was unarmed at the time of his death, last month. Zimmerman has claimed to have shot Martin in self-defense and has not been charged with a crime.

But Bryant, who explores the topic of black-on-black crime in his new film “Runaway Slave,” said people like Jackson and Sharpton are being misleading to suggest there is an epidemic of “white men killing black young men.”

“The epidemic is truly black on black crime,” Bryant said. “The greatest danger to the lives of young black men are young black men.”

Bryant said he wishes civil rights leaders were protesting those problems.

For the rest of the article hit the link below


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http://news.yahoo.com/former-naacp-leader-accuses-sharpton-jackson-exploiting-trayvon-182013430.html


So what he had John was just another damn shooting/but this one made was sickly twisted and made national news...due to the real racists behind it all

A mass of people took the bait..and that is where we are at today
 

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Re: YOUR Treyvon Martin theory - what exactly happened?

To put simply,,had the truth been told in the beginning we wouldnt have had all the damn fuss
But people had to lie to create hostility within society...they are the true pieces of shit in the game.

People fell for it...fools

Yeah it was tragic that martin died.
Fucking Zimmerman should not have took his gun with him
End of story..that is all it amounts to
 

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Re: YOUR Treyvon Martin theory - what exactly happened?

My theory based on Zimmerman's call:

Zimmerman was hyped up at a chance to be Batman and stop crime when he saw Martin meandering around suspiciously (from his view)
He figured he could take Martin, and probably determined he was unarmed when he decided to follow him on foot (he mentioned Martin's waistband, as if he worried he had a gun, but I doubt he would have gone after him on foot if he thought there actually was one)
Some kind of scuffle ensued, a teenager is now dead for potentially no reason whatsoever

I'm of the opinion Martin would probably not have harmed anyone that day if Zimmerman had not followed him.
I'm also of the opinion one cannot rule out racial profiling, it would be foolish to...but that being said I don't deny people have perverted this case for their own agenda and it's reprehensible.
Still, I hate seeing people disrespect Martin because these people are doing this.
 

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Re: YOUR Treyvon Martin theory - what exactly happened?

only problem is there is no history of him being batman while on neighborhood watch before.

plus he was not on watch duty at the time

as I said

It was the perfect storm
 

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Re: YOUR Treyvon Martin theory - what exactly happened?

And then the white conservative bigots saw Al sharpton and Jesse Jackson speaking on the issue and their little pea brains exploded. So then they concocted twisted stories to justify the killing of a 17 year old kid and created their new gun rights hero George Zimmerman.

And all the little pea brained conservative Zimmerbots lived happily ever after.

You sure seem to be an angry white man John

So I guess it is not allowed to question the motives of Sharpton and Jackson despite their track record of jumping in on this kind of stuff.

Case solved. John, Sharpton, Jackson say the guy is guilty and no need for a trial.
 

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Re: YOUR Treyvon Martin theory - what exactly happened?

only problem is there is no history of him being batman while on neighborhood watch before.

plus he was not on watch duty at the time

I don't see these things as a problem for my opinion of the situation- if anything, the fact he was not on duty at the time makes him seem like more of a hyped up Batman wannabe to me. Poor decision making, even if Martin had been cracking into a 'lil old lady's home to steal her flatscreen, he had no business getting close. I suspect he only did so because he knew he could take him out if things got dicey. To me that's kinda fucked up. Let the cops make that decision.
 

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Re: YOUR Treyvon Martin theory - what exactly happened?

... Zimmerman referring to Martin as a "coon?"

Oops. Pardon me then. Undeniable proof of premeditated murder. I don't know why they're bothering with an investigation or trial. I'm surprised they haven't injected him already.
 

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Re: YOUR Treyvon Martin theory - what exactly happened?

Just to put it out there, regardless how the investigation and trial turns out, the bigotry is exposed. Those that immediately convicted the shooter and those that immediately convicted Treyvon. If you take offense at this post, consider that someone who is not a bigot would have no reason to be offended.
 

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Re: YOUR Treyvon Martin theory - what exactly happened?

There are several other threads about this where random commentary and debate is going on. I just wanted one place for those involved in the debate to spell out THEIR version of what exactly they think happened. My goal is is to see exactly what parts of the media presentation of all of this have connected with people and how it has shaped their thoughts on what occurred.
Almost missed your post.

Where I stand is...I dont know what the heck to think to be honest..I am not going to convict the shooter based on all the early hype.
I still believe in innocent until proven guilty...I want all the facts to come in.
What bothers me is all the early media...now I can trust very little of the news.
IMO peoples judgements have been influenced as they got emotionally attached in the beginning..as the story unfolded as a young boy had been shot while on the way back from the store..complete with pictures while he was 12 years old...The media saying the police didnt press charges....fact is they tried.

Slowly as more comes out...those that were out to immediately fry Zimmerman..haven't changed their position much.
Its rather sad as if the true story was told in the beginning they would have been "lets see what the investigation turns up"

This is what pisses me off people took bait line and sinker..and still have a hold of it after more facts are out there.

I am not convinced fully of who attacked who....However I do think the shooting could have been avoided..but me thinking it could have been avoided doesnt equal guilt....its whether he was within his rights to shoot him during the event.

IMO people should be concentrating more on what allowed this to happen rather than what happened itself...as to prevent something similar in the future
 

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Re: YOUR Treyvon Martin theory - what exactly happened?

IMO people should be concentrating more on what allowed this to happen rather than what happened itself...as to prevent something similar in the future

A good point. I bet the "Stand Your Ground" law is going to have some serious second thoughts.
 

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Re: YOUR Treyvon Martin theory - what exactly happened?

A good point. I bet the "Stand Your Ground" law is going to have some serious second thoughts.

I still believe in a person being able to stand their ground.
I was thinking more along the lines of no guns{concealed} during certain activities etc...at bars sporting events.
Neighborhood watchman{must be out in the open}..same for security guards and the sort.
If you meet a guy and you see the firearm...you already know he has the advantage if it comes to an altercations.
The firearm being out in the open,,is sort of like a visual disclosure...which is only fair to the other guy.
I sure would hate to have some guy call by girl friend a bitch and I pop him in the mouth then get shot as he has a pistol in his coat.
If I saw the gun...I could say...you are a pistol packing bitch..go put that shit in the trunk and lets fight like men...lol
 

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LOL. Yeah, good call.

I too believe in being able to defend one's self legally ... and actually, I am not all that familiar with the Florida law, but if I understand correctly ... it is not written very well or something along those lines?
 

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776.013 Home protection; use of deadly force; presumption of fear of death or great bodily harm.—
(1) A person is presumed to have held a reasonable fear of imminent peril of death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another when using defensive force that is intended or likely to cause death or great bodily harm to another if:
(a) The person against whom the defensive force was used was in the process of unlawfully and forcefully entering, or had unlawfully and forcibly entered, a dwelling, residence, or occupied vehicle, or if that person had removed or was attempting to remove another against that person’s will from the dwelling, residence, or occupied vehicle; and
(b) The person who uses defensive force knew or had reason to believe that an unlawful and forcible entry or unlawful and forcible act was occurring or had occurred.
(2) The presumption set forth in subsection (1) does not apply if:
(a) The person against whom the defensive force is used has the right to be in or is a lawful resident of the dwelling, residence, or vehicle, such as an owner, lessee, or titleholder, and there is not an injunction for protection from domestic violence or a written pretrial supervision order of no contact against that person; or
(b) The person or persons sought to be removed is a child or grandchild, or is otherwise in the lawful custody or under the lawful guardianship of, the person against whom the defensive force is used; or
(c) The person who uses defensive force is engaged in an unlawful activity or is using the dwelling, residence, or occupied vehicle to further an unlawful activity; or
(d) The person against whom the defensive force is used is a law enforcement officer, as defined in s. 943.10(14), who enters or attempts to enter a dwelling, residence, or vehicle in the performance of his or her official duties and the officer identified himself or herself in accordance with any applicable law or the person using force knew or reasonably should have known that the person entering or attempting to enter was a law enforcement officer.
(3) A person who is not engaged in an unlawful activity and who is attacked in any other place where he or she has a right to be has no duty to retreat and has the right to stand his or her ground and meet force with force, including deadly force if he or she reasonably believes it is necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony.
(4) A person who unlawfully and by force enters or attempts to enter a person’s dwelling, residence, or occupied vehicle is presumed to be doing so with the intent to commit an unlawful act involving force or violence.
(5) As used in this section, the term:
(a) “Dwelling” means a building or conveyance of any kind, including any attached porch, whether the building or conveyance is temporary or permanent, mobile or immobile, which has a roof over it, including a tent, and is designed to be occupied by people lodging therein at night.
(b) “Residence” means a dwelling in which a person resides either temporarily or permanently or is visiting as an invited guest.
(c) “Vehicle” means a conveyance of any kind, whether or not motorized, which is designed to transport people or property.


http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes...ing&URL=0700-0799/0776/Sections/0776.013.html
 

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That law seems ok enough..they need to do some work on conceal and carry though
IMO if Martin knew Zimmerman was packing he would be alive today.

Same goes for other people shot with concealed weapons...many people would still be alive if those laws were modified
 
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