What is your attitude to gays and lesbians?

[itsmeJonB]

Well I dunno what goes on in Russia, or Moscow or wherever you're from, but here in god's country we keep the licking for the bedroom
or in the privacy in front of a camera for thousand of viewers to watch after paying a small fee of 29.95

 

[porterjack]

How much time did you spend in Moscow? Where did you live exactly? I bet you lived closely to Moscow center but not in suburb.

BTW what about hetero rights?

And let me ask you what is wrong with me? I can state my opinion free so I tell you - if they don't show off their feelings then it is OK.

two years from 1992 - 1994 I lived five minute walk from the one of the main railways station in the NW of the city on Gruzinsky pereulok, (forgive my spelling), i guess about a 30 minute subway ride from red square

my experince was that anyone who was not a white russian with the slavic appearance was a second class citizen, georgians and anyone from the former southern republics were often publically beaten, black students from socialist african countries were routinely murdered without any hope of the police taking any interest, Russia may well have changed since then but somehow i doubt it

 

[Flakey]

Wyndex god's country is Israel but not America

 

[Flakey]

Porterjack it was a trash time I understand you. The same i can tell about the period in the history of USA when black people were beaten by white (not literally of course)

 

[porterjack]

Porterjack it was a trash time I understand you. The same i can tell about the period in the history of USA when black people were beaten by white (not literally of course)

the US has changed has Russia?

 

[Flakey]

I don't know about Russia only about Moscow

 

[Panacea]

How many homosexual animals have you ever seen?

Quite a few, actually, I've seen some clips about homosexuality patterns in certain species. If I am not mistaken, it's about as prevalent in the animal world as the human world.

 

[Dana]

My parents used to have a cat with gay tendencies

 

[purpledove]

To regurgitate internet statistics that may or may not be relevant/skewed/misleading? No. Certainly anyone can do that, and they are free to. I feel experts should be left to make extremely damaging statements about groups of human beings, though, as these statements are rooted in something that would need a lot of evidence to legitimize.

I am just curious as to how Flakey was providing misleading info or internet stats when all she mentioned is that it can damage the kids. Imo, the post about the degrees ( child psychologist/pediatrician) didnt need to be pointed out is reason for my post. None of you nor your opinions are above the other unless one of you is an expert am not aware of eh. In same way you have your opinion, so is true with hers. She is just stating hers, is what i see

I agree that experts have a say to this hence my info provided that i have searched up online to give facts and are just not humor mongering. They are backed up by books and medical knowledge from Psychiatrists and Mental Health departments. Given the population of patients i have encountered too to back up my points, I am basing such from the histories of patients molested by homosexuals. ( I am not saying tho that I am an expert as I am not) Like the gay priests have raped many kids in the past years, are you stating there is no psychological effect on them when they grow up? That I beg to differ as i have encountered many patients who've had their lives messed up due to such an event. It's unfortunate

I am aware that they are existent for both heteros and homos, but based on studies and evaluations at the hospital, there are far more deeper psychological after effects when it comes to homosexuals given the stigma attached to it and many other factors. In a kid's mind, who isnt able to process more complex ideas comparing to an adult. Being unable to understand homosexuality would have a deeper effect on them given they too have to process the idea that even if homosexuality is an accepted norm by most in the society, some others esp when religious beliefs are concerned makes a difference in a kid's outcome and coping as to the effects caused by a trauma brought about by homosexuality. Your background in psychology would make you better understand this, right?

All of which are unavoidable in society and require parenting. They need to be distinguished.

I believe children should know that there are plenty of homosexuals who lead healthy, successful lives free of crime, and not to judge them as wicked perverts just because they are not heterosexuals. It seems they also need to know that all sorts of people make bad choices sometimes, or are predators.

Exactly my point and as i have also pointed out in my previous post. Parenting is the key word.

 

[Panacea]

I am just curious as to how Flakey was providing misleading info or internet stats when all she mentioned is that it can damage the kids. Imo, the post about the degrees ( child psychologist/pediatrician) didnt need to be pointed out is reason for my post. None of you nor your opinions are above the other unless one of you is an expert am not aware of eh. In same way you have your opinion, so is true with hers. She is just stating hers, is what i see

She wasn't, you just did.
She presented her opinion as fact. She didn't say she believes it does, she said "it does".

I agree that experts have a say to this hence my info provided that i have searched up online to give facts and are just not humor mongering. They are backed up by books and medical knowledge from Psychiatrists and Mental Health departments.

Until causality is established, these facts are good for nothing but slander.

Given the population of patients i have encountered too to back up my points, I am basing such from the histories of patients molested by homosexuals.

You know that a pedophile is not automatically a homosexual, right? These people are attracted to children, and a molester may molest a same sex child but would never consider having sex with a same sex adult.

I am aware that they are existent for both heteros and homos, but based on studies and evaluations at the hospital, there are far more deeper psychological after effects when it comes to homosexuals given the stigma attached to it and many other factors. In a kid's mind, who isnt able to process more complex ideas comparing to an adult. Being unable to understand homosexuality would have a deeper effect on them given they too have to process the idea that even if homosexuality is an accepted norm by most in the society, some others esp when religious beliefs are concerned makes a difference in a kid's outcome and coping as to the effects caused by a trauma brought about by homosexuality. Your background in psychology would make you better understand this, right?

Are these traumas you're referring to those experienced by the homosexual by society or traumas experienced by the child who is raised with an awareness that not everyone kisses girls when they're boys (and so on)?

 

[redliner]

I did not read the whole thread. I will just give my thoughts. It is great that someone is gay. It is even better if there was an enviroment that was comfortable for them. Really though who cares if a guy kisses a guy if front of you ? Or you see two girls holding hands. It is a sign of love. To each there own.

 

[phroxy]

As far as i remember - my opinion is I don't care if they don't show off their feelings in the public places, plus it is not normal when kids see licking women (men) in the street because it goes against human nature. Is not it enough for you?

Licking? I'd love to know what gays you know/have seen that LICK "in the street". I'm willing to bet none.

 

[Natasha]

I am not but for sure it is disgusting to show off your feeling in the public places both for gays and for normal people

I can't believe nobody caught that. So you're saying that gays aren't normal??? Awesome.

Tim when i see two men or women are licking in the street i can definitely say they are homosexual. Don't you agree?

What Tim is saying is that you are assuming that those you do NOT see "licking" are straight...when in actuality, you have no clue. So your statement athat 99.9% of the homosexuals you see on the street act like that is based on your assumption that the ones not acting like that are straight...and you have no way of knowing that.

Me thinks this should be locked down. Clearly this was created to flame. She can't even answer questions

Actually I think there's a good debate going on here. This is one of my hot-button issues so it's the only reason I'm here seeing as I normally avoid the P&D section. And, to be fair, she has contributed more to this thread than you have.

Well I dunno what goes on in Russia, or Moscow or wherever you're from, but here in god's country we keep the licking for the bedroom
or in the privacy in front of a camera for thousand of viewers to watch after paying a small fee of 29.95

OMG...I nearly peed myself. You, sir, get rep!!!

 

[Natasha]

On a side note...if you want to know WHY this is my hot-button issue, here you go:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adoption_proceedings_of_Emma_Rose

 

[Darrell]

On a side note...if you want to know WHY this is my hot-button issue, here you go:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adoption_proceedings_of_Emma_Rose

That Judge doesn't belong on the bench. What a fucking bigot.

 

[Peter Parka]

to name a few: Homosexuality endorses

1) multiple, very frequent change in partners some leading to unhealthy sex life/lifestyle = STDs etc
2) some crimes like sexual abuse of kids in LA stats/police reports show 30,000 are committed by homosexuals
3) Homosexuals account for a disproportionate number of hepatitis cases: 66% in New York Cit, 70--80% in San Francisco, 56% in Toronto, 42% in Montreal, and 26% in Melbourne
4) certain percentage of homosexuals participate in sadomasochism leading to accidental deaths
5) In California alone and given that this is the only state that has a hospital catering to the SVPs ( sexually violent predators)( FYI: not all the patients are from California but from all over US ) about 1/3 of the hospital population are gays who have preyed on young kids. Kids interviewed during police reports/investigations show evidence of the lack of knowledge of those kids re: homosexuality and it's effects and how the kids can easily be preyed on....

and lots more......

Are these the types of endorsements that we want our kids to learn by not minding what our kids see from homosexuals? :willy_nilly:

You like most people can have a conversation without re-affirming your sexual orientation every few minutes. That was my point. If someone casually mentions their significant other (PC Term) then that is one thing but bringing up your sexual preference constantly seems to give the impression that said orientation defines you.

If there wasn't still so much irrational prejudice against gay people, maybe they wouldn't feel the need. If someone kept slagging you off for being a baptist, you would probably feel the need to let people know about your beliefs and why it isn't so bad.

 

[purpledove]

Until causality is established, these facts are good for nothing but slander. So you mean to say all of the opinions then about homosexualoty posted by any member- since they're just opinions are also slander?

No worries, i can provide you with lots of reading re: effects of homosexuality on children. Have FUN:

1) some court cases of homosexual parents and judges' decisions and custody hearing results.

http://books.google.com/books?hl=en...KgAyiTxXHn1rdA6--GspD3eQk#v=onepage&q=effects

.......and here's info and sources as to what i have posted earlier.

1) multiple, very frequent change in partners some leading to unhealthy sex life/lifestyle = STDs etc // source: (29) Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders Fourth Edition, American Psychiatric Association, 1994.

2) some crimes like sexual abuse of kids in LA stats/police reports show 30,000 are committed by homosexuals /// source: (10) Kaifetz, J. "Homosexual Rights Are Concern for Some," Post-Tribune, 18 December 1992

3) Homosexuals account for a disproportionate number of hepatitis cases: 66% in New York Cit, 70--80% in San Francisco, 56% in Toronto, 42% in Montreal, and 26% in Melbourne // source: (8) Fields, Dr. E. "Is Homosexual Activity Normal?" Marietta, GA

4) certain percentage of homosexuals participate in sadomasochism leading to accidental deaths : to be clearer as quoted from the book: 37% of homosexuals engage in sadomasochism, which accounts for many accidental deaths. In San Francisco, classes were held to teach homosexuals how to not kill their partners during sadomasochism // source: (8) Fields, Dr. E. "Is Homosexual Activity Normal?" Marietta, GA

2) You know that a pedophile is not automatically a homosexual, right? These people are attracted to children, and a molester may molest a same sex child but would never consider having sex with a same sex adult.

Of course I do. I have taken cared of pedophiles as patients and have made recovery care plans for them for 3 years....


The whole facility caters to both pedophilias and paraphilias of which 1/3 of the population is gay.

Are these traumas you're referring to those experienced by the homosexual by society or traumas experienced by the child who is raised with an awareness that not everyone kisses girls when they're boys (and so on)?

I am aware that the flow of the discussion was about kids seeing homosexuals kissing on the streets, however the abovementioned information: I have generalized as to effects of homosexuals on children based on those sources in an attempt to refute the misconception that homosexuality doesn't have any effect on kids.

Besides, I did agree with you re: parenting bit as that's exactly what i was trying to point out in re: parents educating their kids about homosexuality. Not to despise them or judge them but to know what goes around society. Not all gays are the same hence my statement. AGAIN: I am not biased against gay people. I RESPECT THEM FOR WHO THEY ARE. Creations of God and needs to be respected as any human being.

 

[Peter Parka]

Ok, it seems you need me to show you just how stupid this comment is and how it does nothing to prove your point......

to name a few: Homosexuality endorses

1) multiple, very frequent change in partners some leading to unhealthy sex life/lifestyle = STDs etc
2) some crimes like sexual abuse of kids in LA stats/police reports show 30,000 are committed by homosexuals
3) Homosexuals account for a disproportionate number of hepatitis cases: 66% in New York Cit, 70--80% in San Francisco, 56% in Toronto, 42% in Montreal, and 26% in Melbourne
4) certain percentage of homosexuals participate in sadomasochism leading to accidental deaths
5) In California alone and given that this is the only state that has a hospital catering to the SVPs ( sexually violent predators)( FYI: not all the patients are from California but from all over US ) about 1/3 of the hospital population are gays who have preyed on young kids. Kids interviewed during police reports/investigations show evidence of the lack of knowledge of those kids re: homosexuality and it's effects and how the kids can easily be preyed on....

and lots more......

Are these the types of endorsements that we want our kids to learn by not minding what our kids see from homosexuals? :willy_nilly:

1) multiple, very frequent change in partners some leading to unhealthy sex life/lifestyle = STDs etc

No proof other than your say so - fail

2) some crimes like sexual abuse of kids in LA stats/police reports show 30,000 are committed by homosexuals
Care to show the number for kids abused by straights? - fail


3) Homosexuals account for a disproportionate number of hepatitis cases: 66% in New York Cit, 70--80% in San Francisco, 56% in Toronto, 42% in Montreal, and 26% in Melbourne
Erm, that shows that in most cities other than the gay capital of the USA it's roughly half and in fact in the gay capital of Australia three quarters of hepatitis cases are in straight people - major fail

4) certain percentage of homosexuals participate in sadomasochism leading to accidental deaths
Certain percentages? What percentage would that be? 1%? 99%? Be percific. - fail

5) In California alone and given that this is the only state that has a hospital catering to the SVPs ( sexually violent predators)( FYI: not all the patients are from California but from all over US ) about 1/3 of the hospital population are gays who have preyed on young kids. Kids interviewed during police reports/investigations show evidence of the lack of knowledge of those kids re: homosexuality and it's effects and how the kids can easily be preyed on....
So two thirds of sexual predators are straight acording to this - major fail

Lets just review this. Oh dear, you fail.

 

[Panacea]

So you mean to say all of the opinions then about homosexualoty posted by any member- since they're just opinions are also slander?

This logic doesn't fit with what I said, so I will address it another way.

You post statistics about homosexuals....the stats say they sleep around, some of them get hurt doing S+M, get hepatitis C at x rate, are sometimes pedophiles...ok...then say....this is what homosexuality endorses, do we want our kids seeing this?

Do you not see the gaping hole in logic you've hopped over? If you took your list and replaced the word gay with straight and plugged in the stats for straight people, one could make the case children aren't safe with straight people, either. But we know that isn't true. Those stats don't accurately reflect the entire population, and the intentions of most straight people who have children.

You've taken statistics and created a slanderous angle.

A great deal of black people are incarcerated, jail is bad for kids, but we know better than to say black people are dangerous to children in society. We know to look at that troubling social phenomenon for what it's worth, and what it is influenced by, instead of painting the blame on the color of their skin. The same should be done for gay people and their trouble social issues.

Anyway, most importantly, how would a child find out a gay person likes it rough in bed if the parenting you claim is essential is being done? It wouldn't, and it makes this whole "think about the children" thing and your list a clear mark of a fear of homosexuality.

Religion is not a good enough excuse to launch a campaign against the characters of homosexuals on the whole. I don't think having an STD, having multiple sex partners, and being into S+M makes a person dangerous to society.

The missing piece is causation. What do these statistics cause? Seems like that is opinion, and it's not valid as fact.

 

[Natasha]

The whole facility caters to both pedophilias and paraphilias of which 1/3 of the population is gay.

So just so we're clear on this...1/3 is gay, making 2/3 straight??? Which is the exact opposite of what you're arguing, LOL