What is your attitude to gays and lesbians?

[BornReady]

NO....I AM STRAIGHT
I rarely use caps but thought it was appropriate so there is no confusion on board as to my preference

We are physically capable is what I was saying...so we have a choice if we want to engage in gay activity
I choose not to

Then you choose to have sex with women because you're attracted to them. :thumbup If you were attracted to men then you should have sex with them. I think everyone should live their life to the fullest. That means doing the things you like (provided it doesn't hurt anyone). We only get to live once, so make the most of it.

 

[The Man]

So....you reached puberty and chose, or you experimented, or what?

How and when did you decide to "choose" to be straight?
Its just something I have "known" for as long as I have been sexually aware....I do not remember making an actual "conscious" decision to be this way..so I would be interested to know how you came to the realisation.

If directed at me{no quote tags} / then response is below

I choose to be straight when I hammer a box rather that what wears boxers.
Just like you I am aware of what I want so the realization part is rather mute.

 

[The Man]

But you're predisposed to be attracted towards the opposite sex. Other people are predisposed to be the opposite. Saying that you choose not to be gay in that manner is just like saying that you choose not to have sex with animals. You're physically capable, but you choose not to.

True and false.
That would also mean that people that have sex with animals are predisposed to have sex with animals/
They arent...its a choice they make.
But all are capable

 

[The Man]

Then you choose to have sex with women because you're attracted to them. :thumbup If you were attracted to men then you should have sex with them. I think everyone should live their life to the fullest. That means doing the things you like (provided it doesn't hurt anyone). We only get to live once, so make the most of it.

I agree...two consenting adults can do what they want..its their life /do whatever it takes to be happy

 

[cam elle toe]

True and false.
That would also mean that people that have sex with animals are predisposed to have sex with animals/
They arent...its a choice they make.
But all are capable

And I think they ARE pre diposed, so we shall have to agree to disagree. I could NEVER choose to fuck an animal, even if I had the capabilities. Yes, they choose to go ahead with it, but they have to have the pre disposition/inclination there in the first place

and now you will come back and say its my "choice" not too...and we'll go round and round again....so this is definitely my last post on the subject.

 

[The Man]

And I think they ARE pre diposed, so we shall have to agree to disagree. I could NEVER choose to fuck an animal, even if I had the capabilities. Yes, they choose to go ahead with it, but they have to have the pre disposition/inclination there in the first place

and now you will come back and say its my "choice" not too...and we'll go round and round again....so this is definitely my last post on the subject.

No need to leave because you aren't making headway in debate..defeats the whole purpose.
Just present your argument the best you can..if you honestly believe in what you post then stick it out:thumbup

And back to the argument of choice
It is a choice to have sex with animals or engage in homosexual activities.
That really cant be argued.
So........you should concentrate on a person being prewired to be homosexual....And I have stated prior that I believe that most are but not all.
Some may rather opt to be straight...may be to nervous or had a bad experience..who knows..maybe its just easier to be gay.
Same argument for people fucking animals..I will not agree its prewired..but more of desperation..or what is considered acceptable in the region....A doubt seriously if a cow is turning anyone on....they just want to bust a nut.
A woman isnt attracted to her vibrator for example..she makes a choice to use it...its merely all about pleasure and not prewiring at this point.
Now she may get wet while thinking about using it later after the kids go to bed..however its not an attraction..its just anticipation.

 

[cam elle toe]

No need to leave because you aren't making headway in debate..defeats the whole purpose.
Just present your argument the best you can..if you honestly believe in what you post then stick it out:thumbup

And back to the argument of choice
It is a choice to have sex with animals or engage in homosexual activities.
That really cant be argued.
So........you should concentrate on a person being prewired to be homosexual....And I have stated prior that I believe that most are but not all.
Some may rather opt to be straight...may be to nervous or had a bad experience..who knows..maybe its just easier to be gay.
Same argument for people fucking animals..I will not agree its prewired..but more of desperation..or what is considered acceptable in the region....A doubt seriously if a cow is turning anyone on....they just want to bust a nut.
A woman isnt attracted to her vibrator for example..she makes a choice to use it...its merely all about pleasure and not prewiring at this point.
Now she may get wet while thinking about using it later after the kids go to bed..however its not an attraction..its just anticipation.

Ahhh...I did not see where you stated that prior.:willy_nilly:
I dont believe ALL are either...and they would be the bi ones.

and I didnt leave the "debate" because YOU thought I was making no headway...I just find it a waste of time to go round and round with the same argument (especially when, after all that, it seems we sort of agree anyway)

 

[The Man]

Ahhh...I did not see where you stated that prior.:willy_nilly:
I dont believe ALL are either...and they would be the bi ones.

and I didnt leave the "debate" because YOU thought I was making no headway...I just find it a waste of time to go round and round with the same argument (especially when, after all that, it seems we sort of agree anyway)

Great,
Lets do lunch

 

[cam elle toe]

Great,
Lets do lunch

Who's "lunch"? Coz if they are female, then I am not so inclined

I will watch YOU do lunch though...that sounds fun.

 

[The Man]

Who's "lunch"? Coz if they are female, then I am not so inclined

I will watch YOU do lunch though...that sounds fun.

Lunch is a meal in the United States usually between 12 to 1 pm..often called dinner as well.

I will watch YOU do lunch though...that sounds fun.

I dont like to eat in front of anyone unless they are joining the fun

 

[cam elle toe]

OK then....give us a bite!

What are we eating?

 

[The Man]

Rib-eye steak for me
Salad for you

:tongue:

 

[Panacea]

True and false.
That would also mean that people that have sex with animals are predisposed to have sex with animals/
They arent...its a choice they make.
But all are capable

Can I ask how you know this?

 

[The Doc]

You have a warped definition of "winning". Are you related to Charlie Sheen?

That being said, you haven't addressed the issues of that study being 35 years old, or its small sample size. People could have been gay without admitting it prior to serving time in prison... especialy in the 70s. Homsexuality has only started to gain mainstream acceptance in the last 10 years. Additionally, the fact that those men "became" homosexuals after spending time in prison could have come from the fact that they realized that they possibly enjoyed the homosexual encounters that they experienced while in prison, thus assuming that they're gay. There are any number of other factors that could be considered. Like I said, it's still a small sample size, and it doesn't nothing to "prove" that homosexuality is a learned behavior, which seems to be your assertion.

Now run along and let the grown ups talk.

Also: learn the fucking difference between your and you're; as well as there, their, and they're. Those aren't particularly difficult grammatical concepts, and yet they seem to escape you.

Yes im related to charlie sheen. Were 2 different races of people, but ill let you continue to think that. Alright, so the study was done 35 years ago. Prison and the human psycology hasnt changed a whole lot since. To my knowledge a human being in the 70's are similiar to human beings today. Prison is still prison. Doesnt matter how small his sample size is. Just one person has to go in identifying themselvs as straight then leave Gay. The study was for post prison sexual behavior. The prisoners choose to partake in this study AFTER their incarceration. If they were in the closet and realized they were gay all along they would say they were closeted homosexuals incoming then left open homosexuals.

Also, i didnt say being homosexual was an open choice to all, but i do believe certain environmental factors play into a person transforming into a homosexual. I believe it is a learned behavior.

I found a page with info about how many homosexuals were molested as children. Molestation being the contributing factor to them being gay.
http://home60515.com/3.html

 

[The Man]

Can I ask how you know this?

Try here

 

[Panacea]

Try here

Must have been a bad link, it didn't say how you know people are not predisposed to having sex with animals.

 

[The Man]

Must have been a bad link, it didn't say how you know people are not predisposed to having sex with animals.

So you are arguing that people are wired to have sex with animals. :clap
"Look at the ass on that cow...thats hot":24:
Common logic tells us they just want to get off.
Just like jacking off or using a vibrator..they are not attracted to their hand nor the vibrator.

 

[Panacea]

So you are arguing that people are wired to have sex with animals. :clap
"Look at the ass on that cow...thats hot":24:
Common logic tells us they just want to get off.
Just like jacking off or using a vibrator..they are not attracted to their hand nor the vibrator.

I'm asking you how you know they aren't (which you won't answer), I'm not arguing anything.

 

[retro]

Yes im related to charlie sheen. Were 2 different races of people, but ill let you continue to think that.

I'm sorry, but does that come in english?

Alright, so the study was done 35 years ago. Prison and the human psycology hasnt changed a whole lot since. To my knowledge a human being in the 70's are similiar to human beings today. Prison is still prison. Doesnt matter how small his sample size is. Just one person has to go in identifying themselvs as straight then leave Gay. The study was for post prison sexual behavior. The prisoners choose to partake in this study AFTER their incarceration. If they were in the closet and realized they were gay all along they would say they were closeted homosexuals incoming then left open homosexuals.

Here is what you're missing. Prison has changed in the last 35 years, and our understanding of human psychology has also changed in that time period. You also haven't considered the possibility that due to the prevailing view of homosexuality 35 years ago, they could very well have been using prison as an excuse for their now open homosexuality. That is obviously all conjecture, but life isn't nearly as black and white as you seem to view it.

Also, i didnt say being homosexual was an open choice to all, but i do believe certain environmental factors play into a person transforming into a homosexual. I believe it is a learned behavior.

I found a page with info about how many homosexuals were molested as children. Molestation being the contributing factor to them being gay.
http://home60515.com/3.html

The numbers are going to be skewed in a "study" like that. Here's what you haven't considered --- the percentage of male to female sex offenders against minors. Studies have shown that the percentage of molesters that are women ranges anywhere between 4-43%, with the estimated number of incarcerated offenders amounting to 0.04% female and 99.6% male in 1993. In cases of people involved with education, the number is 69% male and 31% female. Then you also have to consider the age ranges of those molested. But, going back to the percentages; you are obviously going to end up with a larger proportion of males that end up being homosexual that were abused by men than by women. If homosexuality were a learned behavior due to abuse, then wouldn't girls become homosexuals after being abused? Or is it only same-sex abuse that "causes" homosexuality? Do you see the slippery slope that your "logic", or lack thereof, uses?

Additionally, the page that you found is flawed at its core. Why? Because of statements like these:

Skilled psychologists and psychiatrists like Masters and Johnson, Charles Socarides, Joseph Nicolosi, Benjamin Kaufman, Elizabeth Moberly, Jeffrey Satinover, and Gerard van den Aardweg, have had much success changing homosexuals into heterosexuals. (They have been successful because most if not all homosexuals were probably born heterosexual.)

Whatever the true percentages are of male and female sex abuse victims, considering how high the suggested/reported numbers are compared to the percentage of the population that is homosexual (only 1%-2%), we can see that sexual abuse can theoretically account for every case of homosexuality.

So how can anyone claim, in good conscience, that homosexuals are born that way and have no choice? When someone says they are homosexual, our first response should be to try and find out if he/she was sexually abused and, if so, to then punish the abuser. Our next response should be to provide therapy to homosexuals to help them cope with their problems.

Do you see what I'm getting at? Probably not, so let me break it down for you. Your link is coming at the subject from an obviously biased point of view, and cherry picking statistics in order to fit with it's predefined opinions. Their view is that homosexuality is a sexually deviant and learned behavior, that should be "treated" because it isn't natural in their opinion. So all you've really done is link to a page with an obvious bias and attempted to pass it off as scientific fact. Sorry, but it doesn't work that way. Try again with some non-biased sources. Kids these days, I swear.

Oh, and here are the sources for the statistics that I made reference to.

http://www2.ed.gov/rschstat/research/pubs/misconductreview/report.pdf
http://www.springerlink.com/content/m2tn305232r312g3/
http://goliath.ecnext.com/coms2/gi_0199-3286320/The-myth-of-innocence-sexual.html

 

[Tim]

It is a choice to have sex with animals or engage in homosexual activities.
That really cant be argued.
So........you should concentrate on a person being prewired to be homosexual....And I have stated prior that I believe that most are but not all.
Some may rather opt to be straight...may be to nervous or had a bad experience..who knows..maybe its just easier to be gay.

I think your problem is that you don't believe someone can be homosexual without committing a homosexual act... Am I right on that?
That you think that it's a choice because you have the ability of not engaging in a homosexual act.

If that's the case and that's what you believe, then you are just talking right past the rest of us on this topic.

You can be a homosexual without ever have acting on it. You do not need to perform a homosexual act to be a homosexual.
It all comes down to what you are attracted to.
As a guy, I am only attracted to females. Always have been and there is no question in my mind that I am straight. If I were to perform some sort of homosexual act some day, it would not make me a homosexual. I would just be a hetero sexual that engaged in a homosexual act at some point. It wouldn't magically change my preference from liking women to liking men and that's what makes you a homosexual... your preference, not your actions...