What is your attitude to gays and lesbians?

[Tim]

Because it takes a Mom and Dad to make a baby..not 2 dads or 2 moms

So if you believe it's a learned behavior, then why do straight parents produce so many gay children?


And to address your earlier post. Do you believe that you have to have sexual relations with the opposite sex to be gay?
Because what you are saying is that you can choose. Does that mean you can choose to have sexual relations with the same sex (because that's true) or do you believe you choose what sex you are attracted to?

Because if you do believe that, then you are attracted to both sex's and you choose to only be attracted to the opposite sex, right? It's a conscious choice you need to make?

 

[The Man]

So if you believe it's a learned behavior, then why do straight parents produce so many gay children?


And to address your earlier post. Do you believe that you have to have sexual relations with the opposite sex to be gay?
Because what you are saying is that you can choose. Does that mean you can choose to have sexual relations with the same sex (because that's true) or do you believe you choose what sex you are attracted to?

Because if you do believe that, then you are attracted to both sex's and you choose to only be attracted to the opposite sex, right? It's a conscious choice you need to make?

So if you believe it's a learned behavior, then why do straight parents produce so many gay children?

Mute question as they had to have been born by Male to Female sex.

And to address your earlier post. Do you believe that you have to have sexual relations with the opposite sex to be gay?

Yes

Because what you are saying is that you can choose

Correct..one chooses his actions.

So if you believe it's a learned behavior

Not in all cases...but example exposure will increase likelihood...as shown by frisco...or prison

 

[Natasha]

We learn by example..being gay is a choice..observing gays while young will increase the likelihood of engaging in gay activities later in life

That's exactly what the judge said when he took my bestfriend's little girl away from her and denied her adoption. Much better option to throw a kid who's already had a hard life into a foster care situation and traumatize her further.

Everybody is welcome to their opinion...no matter how inaccurate it is.

 

[cam elle toe]

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Sure its a choice.
One can dream about killing for example..doesnt make him a killer unless he chooses to kill.
You should venture back into the discussion :cool

Nup. They were always a "killer" just hadnt acted on it yet....the ability to kill was always there. Did you "choose" to be straight?
Tim is spot on:eek If its a choice, then we would all have to be born bi-sexual would we not? Then choose "either/or/both"

 

[The Man]

That's exactly what the judge said when he took my bestfriend's little girl away from her and denied her adoption. Much better option to throw a kid who's already had a hard life into a foster care situation and traumatize her further.

Everybody is welcome to their opinion...no matter how inaccurate it is.

Sorry to hear about the little girl being taken away........something happened to cause intervention..whether it was a false or true allegation.
I dont see how they could take the daughter of a natural mother without some extenuating circumstances.

 

[The Man]

Nup. They were always a "killer" just hadnt acted on it yet....the ability to kill was always there. Did you "choose" to be straight?
Tim is spot on:eek If its a choice, then we would all have to be born bi-sexual would we not? Then choose "either/or/both"

Dreaming of killing and killing comes down to choice..we have all thought about it...One becomes a killer by the action and not the thought.
I choose to be straight...I could choose to be gay..its a choice.
We are all born with bisexual capabilities yes..we choose which one{s} to engage in.
Dont get me wrong...some people will have gone gay regardless of their environment...My argument is that a gay environment can increase the likelihood of gay activity due to example exposure .
The same argument holds true for killing...what you drive..whether you eat rattlesnake or not...example has an impact on our choices in life

 

[The Man]

With all the post going on I would like to re establish my position as stated earlier...I have no problems with gays.
I however dont like the activity shown in front of children.

 

[Natasha]

Sorry to hear about the little girl being taken away........something happened to cause intervention..whether it was a false or true allegation.
I dont see how they could take the daughter of a natural mother without some extenuating circumstances.

You missed the "adoption" part. What put it into motion was the petition for adoption. Emma had lived w/ her for a couple of years already. Unfortunately Twiggs Co, Georgia is VERY backwoods and the judge felt that growing up in a small town w/ 2 moms would cause irreparable harm to Emma. So he denied the adoption and ordered her returned to her biological mom (also gay, by the way, with 3 other kids who are wards of the state). Biological mom refused to take her and begged Elizabeth (my bestfriend) to keep her...when she obliged the judge slapped her w/ contempt of court. Long story short, the time in foster care damaged Emma to the point that when Elizabeth FINALLY got her back she was a chronic bedwetter. Thankfully she seems to have overcome most of the tragedy NOW (this happened in 2007).

You can read about the case here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adoption_proceedings_of_Emma_Rose

 

[The Man]

You missed the "adoption" part. What put it into motion was the petition for adoption. Emma had lived w/ her for a couple of years already. Unfortunately Twiggs Co, Georgia is VERY backwoods and the judge felt that growing up in a small town w/ 2 moms would cause irreparable harm to Emma. So he denied the adoption and ordered her returned to her biological mom (also gay, by the way, with 3 other kids who are wards of the state). Biological mom refused to take her and begged Elizabeth (my bestfriend) to keep her...when she obliged the judge slapped her w/ contempt of court. Long story short, the time in foster care damaged Emma to the point that when Elizabeth FINALLY got her back she was a chronic bedwetter. Thankfully she seems to have overcome most of the tragedy NOW (this happened in 2007).

You can read about the case here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adoption_proceedings_of_Emma_Rose

What a mess..poor kid
A very complicated mess it was...thats no good for the child..they start to feel like luggage, rather than a wanted child..the child looks to the adult to be the hero and make everything ok..the adult cant and a hero is lost...We need that love that it will be ok "no matter what"
We need our heroes...in the end she went back with her hero...Thumbs up to her for the backbone...I admire her perseverance:thumbup
That was a short article it was but was packed with alot of trauma for the child...rather sad

 

[MoonOwl]

You missed the "adoption" part. What put it into motion was the petition for adoption. Emma had lived w/ her for a couple of years already. Unfortunately Twiggs Co, Georgia is VERY backwoods and the judge felt that growing up in a small town w/ 2 moms would cause irreparable harm to Emma. So he denied the adoption and ordered her returned to her biological mom (also gay, by the way, with 3 other kids who are wards of the state). Biological mom refused to take her and begged Elizabeth (my bestfriend) to keep her...when she obliged the judge slapped her w/ contempt of court. Long story short, the time in foster care damaged Emma to the point that when Elizabeth FINALLY got her back she was a chronic bedwetter. Thankfully she seems to have overcome most of the tragedy NOW (this happened in 2007).

You can read about the case here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adoption_proceedings_of_Emma_Rose

It is situations like this that need to STOP!

For any judge to choose foster care over the loving home of two 'same sex' parents is insane. This is the 21st century and this bigotry needs to stop.

We as a nation should be better than this. I could go into a huge rant, but I'll leave it at that.

 

[Minor Axis]

I completely disagree. You don't think San Fransisco may have a high concentration of gays b/c they know it's gay friendly??? If you believe homosexuality is a LEARNED behavior, your theory makes sense...I don't believe that, personally. There is nothing anybody could show or teach me that would make me want to be a lesbian. *shrugs*

I wonder if there have been any studies regarding kids raised by gay parents that show trends on being influenced? I know when I was growing up and now, I'm sexually oriented towards females. I don't turn my head for males. If my parents had both been male, would I have viewed other boys differently? I see the possibility of being influenced. However I am not against gay parents raising kids. It's better to have a parental figure who loves you versus having no one.

 

[Zorak]

I wonder if there have been any studies regarding kids raised by gay parents that show trends on being influenced? I know when I was growing up and now, I'm sexually oriented towards females. I don't turn my head for males. If my parents had both been male, would I have viewed other boys differently? I see the possibility of being influenced. However I am not against gay parents raising kids. It's better to have a parental figure who loves you versus having no one.

Would you say that the reason, or part of the reason, you are sexually orientated towards is because your father was so?

 

[Johnfromokc]

I wonder if there have been any studies regarding kids raised by gay parents that show trends on being influenced? I know when I was growing up and now, I'm sexually oriented towards females. I don't turn my head for males. If my parents had both been male, would I have viewed other boys differently? I see the possibility of being influenced. However I am not against gay parents raising kids. It's better to have a parental figure who loves you versus having no one.

I do reclall reading stories following up on heterosexual kids raised by homosexual parents. It appears these kids are well adjusted adults for the most part. Which is best? Growing up with rational, reasonable, well adjusted, loving same sex parents, or growing up in a disfunctional heterosexual household? Of course, there could be disfunctional same sex parents as well - but a loving environment is a loving environment - gay or straight, that trumps disfunction any day.


Here's a paper with lots of references in the bibliography for anyone interested:


http://www.unh.edu/sociology/media/Podcasts/ShelbyChamberlin.pdf

 

[The Doc]

The Man, My oppinion is similiar to yours. I also believe that homosexuality is a learned behavior. DIfference between you and I is you like them, I dont. Look at prisons. Guys go in straight and come out gay.

 

[MoonOwl]

The Man, My oppinion is similiar to yours. I also believe that homosexuality is a learned behavior. DIfference between you and I is you like them, I dont. Look at prisons. Guys go in straight and come out gay.

Whatever would you think if a gay solider saved your life? Cuz they are out there. Plenty of them. Even knowing your stance, they'd still save your life.

 

[Natasha]

What a mess..poor kid
A very complicated mess it was...thats no good for the child..they start to feel like luggage, rather than a wanted child..the child looks to the adult to be the hero and make everything ok..the adult cant and a hero is lost...We need that love that it will be ok "no matter what"
We need our heroes...in the end she went back with her hero...Thumbs up to her for the backbone...I admire her perseverance:thumbup
That was a short article it was but was packed with alot of trauma for the child...rather sad

Thank you for your words. Emma is doing great now. She makes good grades, no longer wets the bed, no longer has the nightmares that she used to have, and she is a star soccer/basketball/football player in the local leagues. She's a beautiful girl and I'm proud to have her call me "Aunt Tasha."

 

[The Doc]

Whatever would you think if a gay solider saved your life? Cuz they are out there. Plenty of them. Even knowing your stance, they'd still save your life.

What would I think? I would think that the homo soldier did his job. It doesnt matter who hates who, or who doesnt like who. I would save a gay soldier, and expect him todo the same because we are soldiers.

 

[retro]

Look at prisons. Guys go in straight and come out gay.

:wtf:

Do you just make shit up and then post it?

What would I think? I would think that the homo soldier did his job. It doesnt matter who hates who, or who doesnt like who. I would save a gay soldier, and expect him todo the same because we are soldiers.

Shouldn't you just view them as a soldier? Not a "homo soldier" or in your case a "hetero soldier" or a "soldier that expresses extremely bigoted views".

 

[MoonOwl]

What would I think? I would think that the homo soldier did his job. It doesnt matter who hates who, or who doesnt like who. I would save a gay soldier, and expect him todo the same because we are soldiers.

Good to know you'll put aside bigotry, hatred & intolerance when your life is on the line.

 

[Darrell]

Good to know you'll put aside bigotry, hatred & intolerance when your life is on the line.

You left off ignorance.