Vietnam War: Facts, Stats & Myths

[HisHoliness]

Why would you ask if it were a joke? Nobody is saying "The USA won the Vietnam war." The article is simply making the point that it wasn't the huge massive failure that people think it was.

Actually, I believe AllVenom made the case that the US did win.

We assisted free people for the better part of a decade, but when the political pressure became too great at home, we had to let them fend for themselves. Two years later they were no longer able to do that, and now live under Communism. It's not a complex view of the world, it's just simple math.

That's a nice oversimplification, and I commend you for it. Our involvement in Vietnam was also more than 12 years, so if you're going to insist on doing math here, make sure you add properly.

The Domino theory can be debated forever, but I stand on the idea that it is a sound principal, primarily because we've seen it happen in the past. It MAY not have worked out that way in the 60's and 70's, but it just as possibly could have.

Where has it happened in the past? In my own, and many others opinions, it's nothing more than a poorly executed response to paranoia about Communists and other "Un-American" activities taking place at the time. It seems far fetched to me that if we didn't stop Communists in Vietnam, that we'd eventually be fighting them on our shores. It's been a few years. Communism prevailed in Vietnam. Whaddya know -- we're still Americans.

 

[IntruderLS1]

Actually, I believe AllVenom made the case that the US did win.

I hadn't read that. I was talking about the article. I'll remember in the future to watch my speach manerisms around you. :smiley24:

That's a nice oversimplification, and I commend you for it. Our involvement in Vietnam was also more than 12 years, so if you're going to insist on doing math here, make sure you add properly.

My bad. You sure kicked my ass on that one. Next time I'll take my socks off to get a better count.

Where has it happened in the past? In my own, and many others opinions, it's nothing more than a poorly executed response to paranoia about Communists and other "Un-American" activities taking place at the time. It seems far fetched to me that if we didn't stop Communists in Vietnam, that we'd eventually be fighting them on our shores. It's been a few years. Communism prevailed in Vietnam. Whaddya know -- we're still Americans.

That's the problem with Google fights. When terminology changes, some people can't keep up. You can't look at it as being called "Domino Theory" until farily modern history. If you look at is as an idea however, you'll see that it is common place.

Look at the expansion of every great empire. Look at the expansion of the United States even. ... I could break it down for you, but you seem like a bright guy. You'll figure it out.

 

[HisHoliness]

Look at the expansion of every great empire. Look at the expansion of the United States even. ... I could break it down for you, but you seem like a bright guy. You'll figure it out.

Communism is not an empire or governing body, it's a political theory. What makes you think the two would behave similarly?

 

[NightWarrior]

Actually, I believe AllVenom made the case that the US did win.



That's a nice oversimplification, and I commend you for it. Our involvement in Vietnam was also more than 12 years, so if you're going to insist on doing math here, make sure you add properly.



Where has it happened in the past? In my own, and many others opinions, it's nothing more than a poorly executed response to paranoia about Communists and other "Un-American" activities taking place at the time. It seems far fetched to me that if we didn't stop Communists in Vietnam, that we'd eventually be fighting them on our shores. It's been a few years. Communism prevailed in Vietnam. Whaddya know -- we're still Americans.

Actually, since we never declared War on anyone during this war, I will take back my argument. How can you win something if it was never declared a war? :ninja

 

[HisHoliness]

Actually, since we never declared War on anyone during this war, I will take back my argument. How can you win something if it was never declared a war? :ninja

Okay, technically it was a Conflict, but you can still win or lose in a conflict. :ninja

 

[NightWarrior]

Okay, technically it was a Conflict, but you can still win or lose in a conflict. :ninja

Not if your the US. We never lose anything. :24:

 

[All Else Failed]

Actually, since we never declared War on anyone during this war, I will take back my argument. How can you win something if it was never declared a war? :ninja

GOOD QUESTION

*COUGH*

 

[All Else Failed]

Not if your the US. We never lose anything. :24:

Nah, China will probably kick our ass one day.

 

[NightWarrior]

Nah, China will probably kick our ass one day.

Possibly. Hence the reason for "needless" defense spending.

 

[All Else Failed]

Possibly. Hence the reason for "needless" defense spending.

I hardly think "invisible" tanks will save us from that.


I still think its pretty neat stuff though.

 

[IntruderLS1]

Nah, China will probably kick our ass one day.

Not any time soon. People who are afraid of China's military capability are terribly mis-informed about the capabilities of the U.S. and China.

Nowhere close doesn't even come come close to discribing the difference in capabilities.

 

[IntruderLS1]

Communism is not an empire or governing body, it's a political theory. What makes you think the two would behave similarly?

I'm almost speachless at this. ...

Is this a last gasp struggle, or would you seriously like me to break down the differences and similarities?

 

[HisHoliness]

I'm almost speachless at this. ...

Is this a last gasp struggle, or would you seriously like me to break down the differences and similarities?

Humor me.

 

[All Else Failed]

Not any time soon. People who are afraid of China's military capability are terribly mis-informed about the capabilities of the U.S. and China.

Nowhere close doesn't even come come close to discribing the difference in capabilities.

It was more of a joke than a serious statement.


The Chinese infantry is still largely using 70's-80's grade weapon tech. But at the rate they are increasing their wealth each year...

 

[IntruderLS1]

It was more of a joke than a serious statement.


The Chinese infantry is still largely using 70's-80's grade weapon tech. But at the rate they are increasing their wealth each year...

Yeah, I could tell you were tounge in cheek. It's such a common mis-conception though, that I try to knock it down a notch whenever I get a change.

They are growing rapidly, but they're still a long way off. I'd say at the current rate, it'll take them another 50 years to catch up to where we are.

That's just my fly by night observation. Janes could probably give you a real answer.

 

[IntruderLS1]

Humor me.

 

[HisHoliness]

What is that supposed to mean?

 

[IntruderLS1]

What is that supposed to mean?

Are you not entertained?



Look friend, I can't explain it to you. I've made my point. We just don't communicate well. Good luck to you.


PS: That was a picture of the CCCP.

 

[dt3]

PS: That was a picture of the CCCP.

Oh. I thought it was a communist empire. :dunno

 

[dt3]

What is that supposed to mean?

Ok, I'm gonna try to break this down here.

Communism is not an empire or governing body, it's a political theory. What makes you think the two would behave similarly?

Intruder posted a pic of the world's largest, most well-known empire governed by the political theory of Communism.

Make sense?