Trayvon Martin Video Shows No Blood or Bruises on George Zimmerman

[Maulds]

I wasn't shaking my head because of anyone in particular.

 

[The Man]

This is why it's the same 5 people debating every subject. Because everyone around here lowers themselves to name-calling and acting like children instead of discussing things like adults.

Silly me always thought P&D forums would be my favorite part of being in an online community. Then I remembered my dick isn't big enough to wave around.

Enjoy your name calling and red rep.

I didnt red rep him back..I figured why bother

 

[The Man]

Something of great interest here,,,Although I cant find any info on the dispatcher{err call taker} in question.
It appears as if almost all of them are not the police officers...they are civilian call takers..then it goes to dispatch..who still usually isnt an officer

Read this thread of which several members are in the field

http://forums.radioreference.com/ne...37119-police-dispatchers-police-officers.html

 

[Tangerine]

Zimmerman called dispatch because he was being followed and Martin was approaching his vehicle

This is blantantly false.

 

[Tangerine]

There's also the issue that Zimmerman was a self-appointed head of this neighborhood watch organization. And those such organizations have standards and rules by which they are supposed to abide. Their function is simply to report suspicious activity to police, and then allow the police to do their jobs. There are specifically charged NOT to follow, engage, confront or involve themselves directly in situations they are reporting. It is also common for these organizations to NOT allow their "watchmen" to be armed, to avoid any potential situations like this very one.


How do Zimmerman's actions fit into this?

Edit: Found this little gem. A statement from the National Sherrifs Association - the group that started and has set the standards for neighborhood watch programs for more than 40 years. I found their take to be interesting:

"The purpose of the Neighborhood Watch Program is to enable citizens to act as the “eyes and ears” within their community and alert law enforcement immediately when they notice suspicious activity. However, the Neighborhood Watch Program does not in any way, shape, or form advocate citizens to take the law in their own hands. The success of the program has established Neighborhood Watch as the nation’s premier crime prevention and community mobilization program. Visible signs of the program are seen throughout America on street signs, window decals, community block parties and service projects.
"The alleged action of a “self-appointed neighborhood watchman” last month in Sanford, FL significantly contradicts the principles of the Neighborhood Watch Program,” stated NSA Executive Director Aaron D. Kennard, Sheriff (ret.). “NSA has no information indicating the community where the incident occurred has ever even registered with the NSA Neighborhood Watch program.”

“The Neighborhood Watch Program fosters collaboration and cooperation with the community and local law enforcement by encouraging citizens to be aware of what is going on in their communities and contact law enforcement if they suspect something – NOT take the law in their own hands,” continued Executive Director Kennard."

 

[Dana]

I wasn't shaking my head because of anyone in particular.

Thay is ok ok...,. I was :tooth

 

[Joe the meek]

“The Neighborhood Watch Program fosters collaboration and cooperation with the community and local law enforcement by encouraging citizens to be aware of what is going on in their communities and contact law enforcement if they suspect something – NOT take the law in their own hands,”

I don't think Zimmerman was trying to take the laws into his own hands, but not lose sight of the person until the police arrived.

By all accounts of everything I've read (which could be incorrect) Zimmerman shot Martin while Martin was on top of him hitting him, and it wasn't until that point that Zimmerman pulled for his gun. For myself, if Zimmerman was playing lawman, he would of had his weapon drawn before he approached Zimmerman.

I also wonder about the term "self appointed" for the head of the community watch. Ever deal with an organization as a member and try to make a decision as a group? I can't help but wonder if no one else wanted to lead the program and Zimmerman just said, "fine, I'll take it".

I also believe Jay had mentioned that the night in question, Zimmerman wasn't acting as a community watch volunteer, but was just coming home in his car when he spotted Martin. Perhaps no big deal, but could mean something in the following civil suit which is sure to come.

Again, I have no doubt that the investigation will leave no stone unturned.

 

[Johnfromokc]

Any of you homo's take time to look at this. Another strike against Zimmermans story:

[url]http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/n...0,250481.story[/URL]

 

[Joe the meek]

Any of you homo's take time to look at this. Another strike against Zimmermans story:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/n...0,250481.story

Couldn't open it.

That said, when the information is given out from the State or Feds doing the investigation, I'll give that news account a little more credibility over newspapers at this point.

Edit- if it's the voice analysis, found it.

 

[Johnfromokc]

John asked what I would feel like if I was Martins father. I think the same question could be asked of what one would feel if they were Zimmermans father

If I were Zimmermans father, I'd be grateful MY son was still alive.

So Allen - what would you do if it was YOUR SON who was gunned down by Zimmerman? Would you be looking to defend your own sons killer?

 

[The Man]

This is blantantly false.

You may want to listen to the call again

 

[kanojoe]

Not seeing any blood in the video doesn't prove anything. He received medical attention before being taken in. This is just an attempt to exaggerate things. I think there should be a trial though.

 

[Maulds]

Not seeing any blood in the video doesn't prove anything. He received medical attention before being taken in. This is just an attempt to exaggerate things. I think there should be a trial though.

I agree on both.

 

[Johnfromokc]

If I were Zimmermans father, I'd be grateful MY son was still alive.

So Allen - what would you do if it was YOUR SON who was gunned down by Zimmerman? Would you be looking to defend your own sons killer?

I'd like to hear the answer to this question from each of the members who have been so quick to defend Zimmerman.

Well? What if it was YOUR SON that Zimmerman killed? Would you STILL be giving Zimmerman the benefit of the doubt?

 

[The Man]

I'd like to hear the answer to this question from each of the members who have been so quick to defend Zimmerman.

Well? What if it was YOUR SON that Zimmerman killed? Would you STILL be giving Zimmerman the benefit of the doubt?

Yes you give him the benefit of the doubt...we dont change the law because it is our son...the law is the law

 

[Tangerine]

You may want to listen to the call again

As may you.

At the begging of the call Zimmerman is talking about how Martin is just "walking around" and staring at buildings and such. THEN he mentions for the first time that Martin is "now looking right at me." THEN he mentions that now he's "coming to check me out"

If Zimmerman was calling 9-1-1 because he was already being followed by Martin, how is it that he is already ON THE PHONE will 9-1-1 when he first says that Martin is "now" looking at him and then "now" coming toward GZ? It's not. Because your statement is blatently false.

And illogicial. Why exactly would a man in an SUV be afraid for his safety from a pedestrian? He could lock the doors and windows and/or drive away. Why did GZ get OUT of the car after he had already done what his job as a self-appointed "Neighborhood Watch" man instructs him to do? Report the activity and then allow the police to investigate it?

 

[Tangerine]

Not seeing any blood in the video doesn't prove anything. He received medical attention before being taken in. This is just an attempt to exaggerate things. I think there should be a trial though.

And there CANNOT be a trial, UNTIL there is first an ARREST. That is all people are asking for in this case. START the process, and then I'll feel fine that it will work properly and all the facts can then be investigated and presented. But none of that happens until CZ is placed under arrest and charges are filed against him.

 

[The Man]

As may you.

At the begging of the call Zimmerman is talking about how Martin is just "walking around" and staring at buildings and such. THEN he mentions for the first time that Martin is "now looking right at me." THEN he mentions that now he's "coming to check me out"

If Zimmerman was calling 9-1-1 because he was already being followed by Martin, how is it that he is already ON THE PHONE will 9-1-1 when he first says that Martin is "now" looking at him and then "now" coming toward GZ? It's not. Because your statement is blatently false.

And illogicial. Why exactly would a man in an SUV be afraid for his safety from a pedestrian? He could lock the doors and windows and/or drive away. Why did GZ get OUT of the car after he had already done what his job as a self-appointed "Neighborhood Watch" man instructs him to do? Report the activity and then allow the police to investigate it?

Oh...so martin started to follow him after he got in his suv??....which would mean he was already following him before he got to his SUV..I mean how else are you going to know thats the suv to go up to...I guess the young man could have been going up to random SUVs until finding the one Zimmerman was in...its possible I suppose
Did you listen to the full conversation?...there are several out there..some start later than others in the conversation

 

[The Man]

And there CANNOT be a trial, UNTIL there is first an ARREST. That is all people are asking for in this case. START the process, and then I'll feel fine that it will work properly and all the facts can then be investigated and presented. But none of that happens until CZ is placed under arrest and charges are filed against him.

What do they charge him with?
How do you fill out the complaint for the charge?

 

[Tangerine]

Oh...so martin started to follow him after he got in his suv??....which would mean he was already following him before he got to his SUV..I mean how else are you going to know thats the suv to go up to...I guess the young man could have been going up to random SUVs until finding the one Zimmerman was in...its possible I suppose
Did you listen to the full conversation?...there are several out there..some start later than others in the conversation

No. He was already IN his SUV. GZ got OUT of it and followed Martin.

Martin was clearly aware that he was being followed and went to see who that person was. Then he decided to turn and run. GZ persued him.