Trayvon Martin Video Shows No Blood or Bruises on George Zimmerman

[Johnfromokc]

TM - It is clear you either did not listen to the 911 tapes and are imagining things the way you want them to be, or you are intentionally making things up just to be controversial.

Either way, I'm done engaging you on this issue. Retro is 100% correct in his assement of both you and AEF.

Have a nice Sunday.

 

[The Man]

Thats no fun john....The manly thing to do is to stick around and support your claim of

Martin was not walking up to Zimmermans vehicle. He was walking past it on the way home from the 7-11.

 

[anathelia]

Thats no fun john....The manly thing to do is to stick around and support your claim of

Why? You clearly didn't listen to the 911 call. He called to report suspicious activity in Martin wandering around looking into houses. Theoretically Martin realized this guy was staring at him (which he had to be in able to identify his clothing and height and whatnot for the dispatcher) and started to go see what was going on. Zimmerman makes a comment that he had his hand in his waistband (most likely his phone). At some point, for whatever reason, Martin turns to go the other way and Zimmerman gets pissed because "they always get away". That's when he gets out of his vehicle to figure out which direction he went, most likely followed after him to whatever point and then the confrontation happened.

Martin was doing nothing but walking home from the store. He's 17, don't question the "getting candy in the rain" thought process. It's Florida. It probably rains a lot there. And it explains why his hoodie was up. Zimmerman was doing nothing but reporting suspicious activity in a neighborhood with a history of break-ins and what not. No one questions any of this part of the whole process except for those who refuse to think Zimmerman had any, if all, responsibility in what happened that night. It is what happened after he got out of the car, after he was asked not to follow, after he got off the phone with the dispatcher that no one knows because there's no evidence that points one way or the other. Anyone with ears and a half-logically reasoning brain can figure out the first part. The youtube video of the phone call posted earlier in this thread is started from when Zimmerman called dispatch. Please. Listen to it again and tell me that anything in my first paragraph is blatantly wrong. I can assure you that it's not.

Here. I even found the video for you so you don't have to go look for it yourself.


[video=youtube_share;v-MMPdL5PP0]http://youtu.be/v-MMPdL5PP0[/video]

 

[The Man]

Thats not Johns argument

 

[anathelia]

Thats not Johns argument

No? I think that's EXACTLY what John said earlier on this page that you specifically refuted and said was wrong.

A la:

Martin was not walking up to Zimmermans vehicle. He was walking past it on the way home from the 7-11.

Why don't you look at the map of the complex that I've posted THREE TIMES and listen to the 911 tape AGAIN and see for yourself?

You're making stuff up TM.

Nothing on the tape or map supports this position.

Why do you make this stuff up John?

So why is HE making stuff up and I'm not? I said the same thing.

 

[The Man]

No? I think that's EXACTLY what John said earlier on this page that you specifically refuted and said was wrong.

A la:





So why is HE making stuff up and I'm not? I said the same thing.

Are you saying you also are claiming the area I bold below and agree with john

Martin was not walking up to Zimmermans vehicle. He was walking past it on the way home from the 7-11.

Why don't you look at the map of the complex that I've posted THREE TIMES and listen to the 911 tape AGAIN and see for yourself?

You're making stuff up TM.

 

[anathelia]

Are you saying you also are claiming the area I bold below and agree with john

Your argument was that Zimmerman did not call 911 until Martin went up to his car. THAT is what is patently false in any argument made in this thread. Did Martin walk towards Zimmerman? Yes. Did he ever make it to his car? No, I don't think Zimmerman would've been so calm about it if he had. Zimmerman called 911 to report suspicious activity. Not that he was being followed.

 

[Alien Allen]

WRONG. This evidence has essentially ELIMINATED Zimmermans voice as a possibility.

Still waiting for the answer to my question Allen. What if it was your son Zimmerman gunned down? Would you still continue defending Zimmerman as you are?

And since I doubt you will go back and read my answer to your question - If I was Zimmermans father, I would be grateful my son was still ALIVE.

I think the answer is obvious so there was no need to answer. Also it has nothing to do with Zimmermans guilt or innocence.

If I was the father of either one I would defend my son and assume their innocence.

As to the voice analysis. It would appear to have to be either Martin or Zimmerman screaming. When they analyze Martins voice then it will put it to rest conclusively.

Unlike you who has stated from the beginning Zimmerman gunned him down for no reason I have an open mind. And I have faith that the powers to be will be able to come to a conclusion as to whether charges should be brought.

 

[The Man]

Your argument was that Zimmerman did not call 911 until Martin went up to his car. THAT is what is patently false in any argument made in this thread. Did Martin walk towards Zimmerman? Yes. Did he ever make it to his car? No, I don't think Zimmerman would've been so calm about it if he had. Zimmerman called 911 to report suspicious activity. Not that he was being followed.

I think he was {martin} en route to his car when he made the call...He wasnt on the phone long when he mentioned Martin approaching I remember....Martin had to have been following him to see what Zimmerman was doing
No I dont think he ever made it to his car...IMO he bolted when he saw Zimmerman on the cellphone.

 

[anathelia]

Did you listen to the call? He SAID to the dispatcher that he was walking down the street looking into houses. He mentions it at about 30 seconds in. At about 40 seconds in he says "now he's looking at me." At about a minute in is when he says "now he's coming towards me."

That's long enough time into that phone call for the basis of your whole argument:

Zimmerman called dispatch because he was being followed and Martin was approaching his vehicle

to be completely wrong.

 

[The Man]

Did you listen to the call? He SAID to the dispatcher that he was walking down the street looking into houses. He mentions it at about 30 seconds in. At about 40 seconds in he says "now he's looking at me." At about a minute in is when he says "now he's coming towards me."

That's long enough time into that phone call for the basis of your whole argument:



to be completely wrong.

I heard it yes..but am not going to go back ..I have a data cap on my bandwidth.

So I will then word it this way.
Zimmerman learned he was being followed after returning to his vehicle to call authorities.

 

[anathelia]

And now we're making assumptions again.

You do not know if Zimmerman was doing a watch or a sweep or whatever from his vehicle when he made the phone call or if he was out of his car.

I am not going to argue points of this situation that we do not know. The entire point of my post was to show you that Zimmerman did not make the phone call to dispatch because Martin was following him. Whether or not Martin was following him beforehand is something no one but Martin, who is now dead, knows. I find it incredibly unlikely, but that's my opinion on the subject, and not a statement of fact.

If that's cleared up, I think that there's no reason in continuing to argue the point.

 

[The Man]

And now we're making assumptions again.

You do not know if Zimmerman was doing a watch or a sweep or whatever from his vehicle when he made the phone call or if he was out of his car.

I am not going to argue points of this situation that we do not know. The entire point of my post was to show you that Zimmerman did not make the phone call to dispatch because Martin was following him. Whether or not Martin was following him beforehand is something no one but Martin, who is now dead, knows. I find it incredibly unlikely, but that's my opinion on the subject, and not a statement of fact.

If that's cleared up, I think that there's no reason in continuing to argue the point.

It was reported somewhere that Zimmerman was merely returning home and at other times was watching the place,
Either way he was in watch mode when he took note of martin {Which can come in handy for the martin family later} during a civil suit {of which I think they have a chance at}

 

[Johnfromokc]

As to the voice analysis. It would appear to have to be either Martin or Zimmerman screaming. When they analyze Martins voice then it will put it to rest conclusively.

Wrong again. This technology is similar to fingerprints in that it can eliminate the voice of a person as a possibility. Zimmermans voice has been eliminated as a possibility. It's like you being accused of stealing a car, but someone elses prints were found in it. You are now eliminated as the car thief. So now that Zimmerman's voice has been ruled out - why does Martins voice need to be analyzed?

And even if Martins voice is analyzed and determined it is his screams, it will not likely sway the Zimmerbots from claiming Zimmermans right to gun down an unarmed 17 year old.

Unlike you who has stated from the beginning Zimmerman gunned him down for no reason I have an open mind. And I have faith that the powers to be will be able to come to a conclusion as to whether charges should be brought.

It is clear to all reasonable people that Zimmerman caused the entire incident by his actions. The 911 recording makes that clear. It is unblievable the twisted logic being applied by the Zimmerbots to alleviate Zimmerman of responsibility. It has turned into a white conservative gun rights issue - to defend gun rights and the SYG laws at all costs - even at the cost of an innocent human life.

And you have faith in the same powers that be that let Zimmerman go in the first place? Not me - because those "powers that be" were in the process of sweeping the entire issue under the rug until Martin's parents demanded answers and millions of people signed petitions and took to the streets in protest.

You know Allen - for such an anti-government conservative like yourself, don't you feel kind of strange putting "faith" in the "powers that be" all of a sudden?

 

[All Else Failed]

*ahem*

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Journalism/2012/04/02/hd-zimmerman-head-gash-abc

 

[Tim]

Well there you go, it's a clear cut case of self defense. The is absolutely no way possible to have an injury and be the aggressor.

 

[All Else Failed]

No one is saying that. It is simply putting to silence the doubters that said it was not a head wound.

 

[Joe the meek]

And the fact is the media story keeps flopping around.

Let's wait.

 

[Tim]

you of all people... I am sorely disappointing in you

Go back and read the discussions. No one said that he didn't have a head wound, the conversation was that a head wound wasn't visible in the video provided. (Which there was no clear evidence with the lower quality video)
But now that a better video is out showing it, how many people do you see saying it ain't so? Do you see a single person jumping up and saying the video is a fake? Nope.
So where is the controversy?

 

[All Else Failed]

Retro certainly thought it was a hairline or a shadow


there is even a thread about how he didn't have any injuries