Trayvon Martin Video Shows No Blood or Bruises on George Zimmerman

[Mercury]

Hehe .. I had to post that! The new Law and Order Armchair Detective Squad!

"In the Criminal Justice System ... the people are represented by three different factors ... the Police who investigate crime, the District Attorney's who prosecute the offenders ... and the armchair detectives who tell how the shit really went down. These are their stories ...."

GONG GONG

 

[Mercury]

I don't think her husband saw anything...she kept telling him not to go near the window. The eye witness was apparently someone who was outside already.

*shrug*

Ahhhhh. Damn. Sounds like it was right out back of their place. They could have made WONDERFUL eye witnesses. I don't blame her for being all like, "Get over here and stay inside!"

 

[The Man]

Totally true. It really is all speculation. Even the authorities probably don't have much to work on at this point. (Well ... I guess obviously since they didn't press any charges.)

So ... the people who are on the phone with 911 (the one with the screaming) did either of them actually SEE what was going on? It sounds like the female on the phone wasn't looking outside because she was pretty scared but it sounds like she was also talking to her Husband that was in the house ... did he SEE anything? From what I remember reading in previous posts, there were eyewitnesses claiming they saw Martin attack Zimmerman and that Zimmerman used his firearm in self defense ... am I on track here? LOL .... should start a bloody case file! Different news stories have different accounts.

He was trying to see what was going on for sure..she wore the pants however..I thought he was a kid a first rather than the husband.
I remember reading in one of the threads that a woman said Zimmerman on the bottom getting beat up but did not see the fight begin though.

I am curious as to how much time passed between when Zimmerman hung up with dispatch and when the screaming started..That could show a chase and be bad for the Zimmerman team.

 

[Mercury]

He was trying to see what was going on for sure..she wore the pants however..I thought he was a kid a first rather than the husband.
I remember reading in one of the threads that a woman said Zimmerman on the bottom getting beat up but did not see the fight begin though.

I am curious as to how much time passed between when Zimmerman hung up with dispatch and when the screaming started..That could show a chase and be bad for the Zimmerman team.

For sure!

 

[anathelia]

He was trying to see what was going on for sure..she wore the pants however..I thought he was a kid a first rather than the husband.
I remember reading in one of the threads that a woman said Zimmerman on the bottom getting beat up but did not see the fight begin though.

I am curious as to how much time passed between when Zimmerman hung up with dispatch and when the screaming started..That could show a chase and be bad for the Zimmerman team.

I was wondering that same thing.

 

[The Man]

For sure!

I dont think it was long..but I dont know if it was a rather short time either

 

[The Man]

I was wondering that same thing.

maybe some transcripts with times on them?..wheres the good leaks at when we want them

 

[Johnfromokc]

Lets look at some logistics of the issue. Below is a map of the condominium complex where Martin was killed.

Retreat of Twin Lakes Gated community Map

Purple Arrow - Main Entrance

Dark Blue Oval - Clubhouse

Orange X - 2831 Retreat view circle address

Yellow X - approximate location in backyards where Trayvon's body was

Light blue X - Approximate location where his father was living

Red arrow - Back entrance




From this map, locate the clubhouse where Zimmerman was parked, and follow the route to where the killing took place. Zimmerman had to run quite a distance to catch up with Martin in between those buildings.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Here is a closer shot of where the killing happened:




There is absolutely no reason for Zimmerman to have left his vehicle. How anyone can argue for justification of Martin's death is beyond all common sense and reason.

Every person has the RIGHT to walk down the sidewalk of their community witiout being persued and confronted by a self appointed vigilante that thinks you "look suspicious".

How Zimmerman was allowed to walk free after gunning down an unarmed minor on a sidewalk in a condominium complex is beyond all reason. Something is extremely wrong here.

The fact that Zimmerman has a history of violence and getting away with it should have been taken into consideration. The fact that Zimmermans father is a retired Orange County Florida Magistrate also makes any rational observer wonder if his father has been bailing him out for quite some time now.

 

[Osteve]

It really doesn't matter. This 6' 4" tall 200 pound "child" didn't have to attack anyone.

 

[Joe the meek]

Every person has the RIGHT to walk down the sidewalk of their community witiout being persued and confronted by a self appointed vigilante that thinks you "look suspicious".

How Zimmerman was allowed to walk free after gunning down an unarmed minor on a sidewalk in a condominium complex is beyond all reason. Something is extremely wrong here.

I'm not taking ANY side of this story, but if it was a gated community, do you know what the "rules" are pertaining to people that to live in that community? At lunch yesterday and one of the guys who lives in a gated community that has a 1000 acre lake, was telling me what a PAIN in the butt is was per all the rules and how people will "rat" on him, like having his boat in front of his house for more than a day. My point is that on a public street, perhaps people shouldn't have to deal with people asking them questions, but if it's a gated community, the rules can change.

Was Martin on top of Zimmerman pounding him? Both you and I DON'T KNOW all the facts, and that will be for the authorities to decide. When I first read the story, I thought Zimmerman did "gun him down", BUT if Martin is on top of Zimmerman pounding him, and Martin "jumped" Zimmerman, I could see the use of deadly force getting Zimmerman off the hook. I also thought Zimmerman might of been a nut case for all the phone calls, but from what I've read per statistics on the crime rate and how many calls are taken in that area, and considering part of Zimmerman's "job" was community watch, the total amount of phone calls from Zimmerman don't strike me as being a "nut case".

I will say if I lived in a gated community and saw someone of a physical size who I didn't recognize, wearing a "hoodie" over their head (helping them to cover their face) walking, and I said hi, if they ignored me they would get my attention as possibly being of "suspicious character". Sorry, can't help but think it may be "out of character" for the neighborhood.

Fact is, I don't know all the facts, and I'll be curious to see what the State and Feds have to say. I think we all can agree to the fact that no stone will be left unturned in this investigation. I will say that if Zimmerman would of NEVER gotten out of this vehicle, none of this would of happened, BUT he can't be convicted of that.

 

[Johnfromokc]

Joe - remember these posts?

They may not get a conviction on murder, but the government WILL get a conviction violating the deceased civil liberties. Mark my words.

What has me really PO'ed is that the defense will probably use some of Florida's lax gun protection laws to claim the dirtbag was protecting himself, even though HE (the dirtbag) was the one who started the chain of events that lead to this tragedy. This piece of crap is a prime example why some people should NOT be allowed to carry a firearm.

Any civilian who carries a sidearm and goes after a person who is NOT immediately threatening them is a FUCKING idiot cop wanna be. The man with the gun initiated the chain of events which lead to this tragedy.

Listen, I don't care if the teen was beating the living shit out the cop wanna be. THAT IS WHY WHEN YOU CARRY A SIDEARM AND ARE NOT A LEO, YOU DO NOT ADVANCE ON SOMEONE WHO YOU MIGHT THINK IS A THREAT!

Do you think you can understand that?

If I'm walking down the street and I see you, and tell you that I just fucked your momma, who was screaming like an overpaid whore and bitched slapped her for good measure, and you come after me...well, if I pull out my gun and shoot you dead because I was in fear for my life isn't a reason not to hang me.

Unless EVERYONE is lying, this guy is nothing more than a cop wanna be who thought he was the sheriff because he had a gun and put both himself and his victim in the situation they are both in. One dead, and another going to be hanged.

When one carries a gun as a civilian, one does increase the odds of confrontation where you may need that weapon. Many a times I felt like honking my horn or giving someone the finger when driving, but don't do so, because if they get pissed, pull over and I'm in fear for my life, I could be held accountable for my actions.

Ultimately, since he was armed, he HAS to hold himself to a higher standard per his own actions and how his actions may affect others and their actions towards him. Carrying a gun may be a right, but it's also a huge responsibility.

That said, I've always held to the notion that as a civilian, if you're armed, you need to ensure that you've exhausted all resources first for a retreat BEFORE you take offensive action (given of course you actually have the time to determine if you have options). Florida's law on that subject scares me.

 

[The Man]

Whats your point John..that would only apply if Zimmerman wasnt in an altercation

 

[Johnfromokc]

 

[The Man]

I am curious if the crime has stopped in the gated community since the shooting

 

[All Else Failed]

Why should blacks fear "vigilantes" when the vast majority of black deaths happen from other blacks


PS stand your ground is a sensible law.

 

[The Man]

Posts like this is why I created the poll thread

http://www.offtopicz.net/showthread.php?83260-Martin-Zimmerman-Poll&p=2160185#post2160185

 

[Joe the meek]

Joe - remember these posts?

John, yes I do.

You should know me well enough that my stance has always been that as a civilian, if armed, the first course of action if permitted, is retreat.

If Zimmerman was walking back to his SUV and Martin approached him, all bets are off, particularly if Martin was only 60 yards from his residence.

I still don't know why Martin just didn't tell Zimmerman where he was staying at and why, not that Martin had to, but it would of been the smartest thing to do.

Both you and I don't know ALL the facts.

I suggest we both wait to see what the people investigating this tragic incident say before we jump to any more conclusions.

 

[Johnfromokc]

John, yes I do.

You should know me well enough that my stance has always been that as a civilian, if armed, the first course of action if permitted, is retreat.

You keep me confused with your turn toward defending Zimmerman.

If Zimmerman was walking back to his SUV and Martin approached him, all bets are off, particularly if Martin was only 60 yards from his residence.

Go look at the map of the crime scene here:

http://www.offtopicz.net/showthread...ge-Zimmerman&p=2159986&viewfull=1#post2159986

Look how far Zimmerman had to run to catch Martin from his car. Look at where the killing happened between the buildings. That moron Zimmerman had no reason to do what he did, and what he did caused the death of another human being. His "self defense" defense is moot for that reason and he should have to answer to a judge and jury.

I still don't know why Martin just didn't tell Zimmerman where he was staying at and why, not that Martin had to, but it would of been the smartest thing to do.

You have no clue what happened. How did you go from Zimmerman being a complete idiot with a gun (which he is) to defending this fucktard? Zimmerman getting out of his car and chasing Martin changes the entire scenario. Martin may have feared for his own life with some psychopath running huffing and puffing after him.

Why aren't you asking if Zimmerman was trying to do a citizens arrest and put his hands on Martin and wound up with a tiger by the tail. There was no self defense for Zimmerman. He was in the position of agressor. You cannot have it both ways.

Both you and I don't know ALL the facts.

But we both KNOW Zimmerman caused the death of Trayvon Martin and should be arrested and tried before a jury of his peers.

I suggest we both wait to see what the people investigating this tragic incident say before we jump to any more conclusions.

If Martin's parents had waited, Zimmerman would never have been under futrther scrutiny. This kind of issue needs to be discussed. It is showing me a side of conservatism that is ugly as hell.

Now here's the thing - contrary to the conservative fucktardisms being stated here that I or anyone else wants Zimmerman to fry - that's not true. I just want his ass in court in front of a jury sweating for his freedom for getting out of his car and going after Martin and for killing Martin.

It just blows me away to think about the twisted thoughts it takes to justify defending Zimmermans actions.

 

[The Man]

Whats the charge John?
We need a formal complaint before we can have a trial
Write us up a mock complaint with what is needed to try him in the court of law

 

[Joe the meek]

You keep me confused with your turn toward defending Zimmerman.

I'm not defending Zimmerman, only pointing out that we don't know the facts, ONLY what has been reported.

Remember when that guy was killed who apparently raped a guys daughter and the father went next door and killed the so called rapist? If you remember, I was one of the few saying that the father should be thrown in jail because no one knew for certain that the murder victim did indeed rape the girl. Turns out later, that the guy didn't rape the girl. However, prior to that FACT, EVERYONE was screaming that vigilante justice had been done and it was deserved.

I was WRONG for jumping on the "hang em high" bandwagon for Zimmerman. The fact is that the press has certainly had a field day with this story, AND some of the original "facts" in the story were either wrong, misleading or don't add up.

You are right though, BOTH you and I have no clue what actually happened. So, my question to you is why demand Zimmerman goes to trial until they (state and feds) come out with their information on their investigation? I don't think people should have to go to a trial by popular vote.

You can't tell me that this investigation is going to be biased in Zimmerman's favor?

We might as we just wait and see what happens and what story is told.