And that's why I think that the parents should be charged. If you leave your loaded weapon where a child can get it, then you need to have them taken away and be charged.
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And that's why I think that the parents should be charged. If you leave your loaded weapon where a child can get it, then you need to have them taken away and be charged.
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Joe the meek
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If you can never own a gun again and hefty charges are brought to anybody that allows their guns to get into the hands of kids, it just may deter enough stupid people from allowing it to happen...
It's either that or take everyone's guns away, and I'm not for that at all.
Alien Allen
Froggy the Prick
anybody that takes the risk of leaving a gun where it can be found and discharge by a minor should get the book thrown at them.
On a sad note one of my old co workers wife committed suicide with her husbands hand gun. He had it locked unloaded in a safe. She figured out how to open the safe and either found some stashed ammo or bought some and shot herself in their basement. It was a WWII Japanese relic he brought back from the war. What was a treasure to him turned into a nightmare he had to deal with till he died several years later.
I can not blame the guns though for suicides. I had an inlaw torch herself to death after chickening out trying to shoot herself years ago. If people are gonna do that they will find a way.
On a sad note one of my old co workers wife committed suicide with her husbands hand gun. He had it locked unloaded in a safe. She figured out how to open the safe and either found some stashed ammo or bought some and shot herself in their basement. It was a WWII Japanese relic he brought back from the war. What was a treasure to him turned into a nightmare he had to deal with till he died several years later.
I can not blame the guns though for suicides. I had an inlaw torch herself to death after chickening out trying to shoot herself years ago. If people are gonna do that they will find a way.
If you're trying to convince me handguns should not be outlawed then you're not doing very well.
Johnfromokc
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If you're trying to convince me handguns should not be outlawed then you're not doing very well.
I think he's trying to convince us we should outlaw idiots.
Joe the meek
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I think he's trying to convince us we should outlaw idiots.
Sad to say, I know that will never happen.
Personally, I do believe that people should be required to have mandatory training of some sort and have to keep their training "up to date". The issue is who does the training and what are the qualifications needed to pass?
In North Carolina, to carry a conceal firearm, you MUST take a class to understand the carry laws of the state and qualify on a simple range test. Two other states I lived in I went into the sheriffs office, filled out the paperwork, they verified I wasn't a criminal, and I had my conceal carry permit the literally the next day in the mail.
Heck, I've gone to general public outdoor gun ranges and have been amazed that someone hasn't accidentally shot someone else. Private indoor ranges are usually the most "safest" as they set up numerous rules that must be followed if you want to use their facility. They (privately owned indoor ranges) try to take the "idiot factor" out of the equation.
Peter Parka
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If you're trying to convince me handguns should not be outlawed then you're not doing very well.
:shesaid It never ceases to amaze me the length people will go to, whenever this subject rears up, to weasel around the bleeding obvious to defend their right to play bang bangs with their penis extention.
Minor Axis
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?? A bullet to the temple seems much easier than torching herself to death? Doused herself with gas? And as far as guns and suicide, lots of people jump off bridges so I'm not worried about guns and suicide. I'm worried mostly about assault weapons used in public places.
Joe the meek
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The sickness "collectinggunseritis" is a disease far worse than alcoholism IMO. Most people should consider themselves lucky that they have never gone into a gun store looking for a $30 accessory and end up plinking down a grand or so on a gun. Even worse, if you're unlucky enough to have so many guns that your spouse can't keep track of them all, you can hide you're addiction because your spouse can't tell the difference if you added one or ten more guns.
By the time you figure out someone owns more than one gun safe or has a vault room, it's too late for any type of intervention or medical treatment to be effective.
Hi, my names Joe, and I have a gun problem.
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Accountable
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Would you support the public schools providing this education?
Alien Allen
Froggy the Prick
Kind of like they used to do with drivers education? I assume with a fee?
Which I might add is no longer available here.
Once the state uped the standards the schools got out of providing that.
It takes a lot of guts to axe that question. The schools can't even teach the kids the basics like readn', ritin' and goesinta's.
Accountable
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Yes, like drivers ed. It was an elective class in my sophomore year in Oklahoma, um, last century
But I was asking as a matter of principle. Practicality is another issue. For instance, we don't want our children having unsafe sex and accidentally creating life, but (or so) we are willing to use school time to teach sex safety to help ensure it doesn't happen. Along those same lines, we don't want our children unsafely firing weapons and accidentally destroying life. Maybe it's worth a little school time to help ensure that doesn't happen, either.
Joe the meek
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My "local" high school where my son is going to attend when he gets older.
http://www.nrainsights.org/YHEC09event_fs.php
Have to laugh, my son actually loves to shoot his BB gun out back now that I picked him up a "carbine" instead of him having to use my "oversized" 40 year old or so Daisy (which I still remember getting for Christmas as a child). I can see doing things with him as my father and uncles did with me growing up with the same 50 year old 16 and 12 gauge shotguns I now have. I also remember getting a swift HARD kick in the ass if I did something wrong which usually had me crying in seconds (actually, it only happened once, but I'll NEVER forget it). Funny, it was my uncle, not my father who kicked me, and I went crying to my dad, and he told me I was lucky because he would of kicked me harder. I was informed at a very young age that a gun is a tool that can kill and is not something to play around with and if I EVER took the same "play around attitude" with a gun, I'd get another kick and never get to use one while in their presence. I don't think that kind of training method would work in todays schools LMAO
Although I think it would be nice for schools to offer different programs, how do you think a program like this will fly in inner city school districts?
Some people look at guns as nothing more than destructive devices, and some others look upon them as hobbies and or necessary tools. Problem is, no one can ever seem to meet in the middle. What I have noticed myself though is that those who are the most adamant on strict gun control usually know nothing about guns other than they go BANG.
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Peter Parka
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Really? It would seem that gun owners are just as stupid. -
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For every time a gun in the home is used in a self-defense homicide, a gun will be used in�
- 1.3 unintentional deaths
- 4.6 criminal homicides
- 37 suicides[SUP]22[/SUP]
- Of these, 8,503 were committed with handguns.
- Among handgun homicides, only 193 (2.3 percent) were classified as justifiable homicides by civilians.[SUP]23[/SUP]
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Joe the meek
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I would agree that SOME gun owners are just as stupid.
What part of that don't you understand?
I'm arguing for more training. I've mentioned in the past that the worst kind of gun owner is one who goes to a store and buys a gun for protection, takes the gun home, and puts it away (sometimes not locked) and never uses it and only plans on using the gun if they need it for protection.
For myself, I find shooting long range 3D archery (50-100 yards) just as fun and as hard as shooting a long range rifle. Point being, it's fun (and requires building skills) to shoot with any type tool made to do so. I would argue that lasers are great training tools on firearms, but putting one (a laser) on a pellet gun does nothing but enhance the perceived "cool" factor by owners that have no clue
Kind of like the guys who show up at the range with a 10/22 with a 50 round mag and like to play commando:24:
Accountable
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Hehehe. You're right that it'd never fly in schools. I'm betting that most hunting families still use the method, though. Too bad that so much of America has drifted from such values.
You mean the places that arguably need such classes more than anyplace else?
Of course it wouldn't.
Peter Parka
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The statistics I posted would indicate quite a lot are.
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