The Secret History of Gun Control

[BornReady]

Two out of three work, though.

I think the second phrase is a participle phrase modifying the first. So I'd break it down into two sentences.

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, shall not be infringed.
The right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed.

If this is what the writers intended then the grammar could be fixed by adding "and" after the second comma.

I still don't see an advantage of purposely injecting ambiguity when writing a document expressly created to limit (corral), federal government power and prevent abuse.

I agree.

 

[Accountable]

I think the second phrase is a participle phrase modifying the first. So I'd break it down into two sentences.

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, shall not be infringed.
The right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed.

If this is what the writers intended then the grammar could be fixed by adding "and" after the second comma.

Makes sense.

 

[darkcgi]

we all know no guns is too dangerous and communist
if no one has access to a gun then all the bad people will do what it takes to get them
and we will have no protection against it
if i am invading or would like to invade an area if i knew they only had premitive weapons except their army
I would attack them at the low level with firepower above their means and if I was debating if I could pull it off
if I knew they barely had protection it would help me make my choice
so if you say no guns Ill get one anyway

 

[Shekii]

For all you Americans, I'm going to ask one question.

Do you feel safe with the high gun crime in America?

 

[Tim]

For all you Americans, I'm going to ask one question.

Do you feel safe with the high gun crime in America?

Not really... here are a list of stats you might find interesting. These are your risk of death over the course of a lifetime.

1st = Auto Accidents 1 in 228
2nd= Reaction to Medication 1 in 541
3rd= Hanging/Suffocating Yourself 1 in 576
4th= Drowning 1 in 1081
5th= Choking on non food objects 1 in 1267
6th= House Fire 1 in 1471
7th= Falling From Furniture 1 in 4745
8th= ATV Accident 1 in 4800
9th= ACCIDENTAL GUNSHOT 1 in 4888

Murder by gun is way down the list.

And don't forget, America is a very big and diverse place. I live out in the country where homicide is almost unheard of and when it does happen, it's almost always over drugs or it's domestic violence... it's not like you need to worry about some random person murdering you.

 

[Minor Axis]

If you're too fucking busy to read my posts, please be too fucking busy to respond to them.

Thought I'd pull an Accountable on ya...

 

[Johnfromokc]

For all you Americans, I'm going to ask one question.

Do you feel safe with the high gun crime in America?

Yes. It's not as bad as many have been led to believe. With a population of around 312,000,000, you have to expect some crime. Statistically guns used in self defense are estimated to stop up to 2,500,000 crimes annually according to this university study:

http://www.rense.com/general76/univ.htm

Guns are an equalizer for law abiding citizens. Probably 99% of those defensive weapons uses do not result in the injury or death of the criminal - the deterrent defense is the most common. The potential criminal sees the weapon and thinks better of committing the crime.

Our experience with gun bans in some large cities have shown a massive increase in violent crime. This statistic shows that legal ownership in U.S. cities helps reduce violent crime against innocent citizens.

Other countries have had a different experience with their gun control laws - so what works in the United states might not work in the UK or other countries. Our culture presently is such that there are so many illegally owned firearms that if you disarm the law abiding citizens, the criminals will quickly take advantage of the newly unarmed populace in certian urban areas.

I've owned guns my entire life and have never had to draw a weapon in self defense yet, and hopefully never will.

 

[darkcgi]

we are not over populated yet
until then we have roaming space
I feel safe no matter what cause I am not afraid to die
call me crazy but I'm happy

 

[Joe the meek]

For all you Americans, I'm going to ask one question.

Do you feel safe with the high gun crime in America?

The only time I ever felt unsafe as a civilian in the US was when I ended up in Camdem, NJ at night by accident. I don't scare easy, but I knew I was in the wrong part of town immediately and a white dude driving a V.W at 0100 sticks out like a sore thumb I can assure you.

 

[Accountable]

For all you Americans, I'm going to ask one question.

Do you feel safe with the high gun crime in America?

Yes.


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[All Else Failed]

For all you Americans, I'm going to ask one question.

Do you feel safe with the high gun crime in America?

Yes. For the amount of guns owned in the US the amount of gun related deaths is extremely low.

 

[Peter Parka]

Yes. For the amount of guns owned in the US the amount of gun related deaths is extremely low.

Sorry if I'm stating the bleeding obvious here but given your statement, wouldn't making guns hard to get hold of (in line with statistics) reduce gun crime?

 

[All Else Failed]

Who knows


Deaths aren't a good reason to make guns banned or whatever in my mind

 

[Peter Parka]

Who knows


Deaths aren't a good reason to make guns banned or whatever in my mind

I guess this is just where we just agree to disagre. Statistics show more gun deaths = more liberal laws on guns obviously means fuck all to you, Just dont bitch when there;s another mass gun murder by legally held firearms.:thumbup

 

[All Else Failed]

okay.

 

[Accountable]

Sorry if I'm stating the bleeding obvious here but given your statement, wouldn't making guns hard to get hold of (in line with statistics) reduce gun crime?

Closing all banks would eliminate bank robberies.
Banning automobiles would reduce car theft, hit-and-runs, traffic jams, air pollution, and damage to the world's rain forests.
closing all steel mines would make guns hard to get hold of, make automobiles prohibitively expensive (thereby reducing their numbers), and eliminate new skyscrapers (reducing terrorist threats and making it safer during earthquakes).
Obviously steel is the root of our problems. We should start there.

 

[orion]

If you knew anything about the founding fathers they believed that the entire populace is the militia. See these quotes:
[FONT=Arial, Arial, Helvetica]"Who are the militia? Are they not ourselves? Is it feared, then, that we shall turn our arms each man gainst his own bosom. Congress have no power to disarm the militia. Their swords, and every other terrible implement of the soldier, are the birthright of an American...[T]he unlimited power of the sword is not in the hands of either the federal or state governments, but, where I trust in God it will ever remain, in the hands of the people."
[FONT=Arial, Arial, Helvetica]"A militia, when properly formed, are in fact the people themselves ... and include all men capable of bearing arms."
Richard Henry Lee - Senator, First Congress
[/FONT][/FONT]PATRICK HENRY
"I ask, sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people, except for a few public officials."
— George Mason, in Debates in Virginia Convention on Ratification of the Constitution, Elliot, Vol. 3, June 16, 1788

 

[Minor Axis]

Yes. For the amount of guns owned in the US the amount of gun related deaths is extremely low.

How ironic we have the world's highest death by gun statistics and by a large margin.

Closing all banks would eliminate bank robberies.
Banning automobiles would reduce car theft, hit-and-runs, traffic jams, air pollution, and damage to the world's rain forests.
closing all steel mines would make guns hard to get hold of, make automobiles prohibitively expensive (thereby reducing their numbers), and eliminate new skyscrapers (reducing terrorist threats and making it safer during earthquakes).
Obviously steel is the root of our problems. We should start there.

Controlled breeding might actually reduce some of the more idiotic statements that appear in this forum from time to time.

If you knew anything about the founding fathers they believed that the entire populace is the militia. See these quotes:
"Who are the militia? Are they not ourselves? Is it feared, then, that we shall turn our arms each man gainst his own bosom. Congress have no power to disarm the militia. Their swords, and every other terrible implement of the soldier, are the birthright of an American...[T]he unlimited power of the sword is not in the hands of either the federal or state governments, but, where I trust in God it will ever remain, in the hands of the people."
"A militia, when properly formed, are in fact the people themselves ... and include all men capable of bearing arms."
Richard Henry Lee - Senator, First Congress
PATRICK HENRY
"I ask, sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people, except for a few public officials."
— George Mason, in Debates in Virginia Convention on Ratification of the Constitution, Elliot, Vol. 3, June 16, 1788

Then you also know the founding fathers believed in a WELL REGULATED militia, something the NRA tries to hide.

The term militia ( /mɨˈlɪʃə/)[SUP][1][/SUP] is commonly used today to refer to a military force composed of ordinary citizens[SUP][2][/SUP] to provide defense, emergency law enforcement, or paramilitary service, in times of emergency without being paid a regular salary or committed to a fixed term of service. It is a polyseme with multiple distinct but related meanings. Legal and historical meanings of militia include:

If you have not noticed, times have changed. This should not refer to any yahoo with a gun. Militias are organizations usually founded bys state governments that are accountable for rules of conduct. Not toting your gun to the nearest bar.

 

[Peter Parka]

Closing all banks would eliminate bank robberies.
Banning automobiles would reduce car theft, hit-and-runs, traffic jams, air pollution, and damage to the world's rain forests.
closing all steel mines would make guns hard to get hold of, make automobiles prohibitively expensive (thereby reducing their numbers), and eliminate new skyscrapers (reducing terrorist threats and making it safer during earthquakes).
Obviously steel is the root of our problems. We should start there.

Banks are useful, cars are useful, steel is useful, guns are rarely useful.

 

[All Else Failed]

Guns are often useful