The Secret History of Gun Control

[Peter Parka]

I dunno. Maybe it's cultural, but in the US "gun" refers to an inanimate object. :shrug:

Nice try at semantics but by point still stands unchallenged, looking even stronger if that's the best you can do.:thumbup

 

[Alien Allen]

Peter I think the point is that one never can assume a gun is unloaded. Most of us grew up being taught to never point a gun, never treat a gun as unloaded and never point a gun at somebody unless you are prepared to fire it.

Of course you and I know that your picture was harmless except for the fact somebody may do the same with a real gun and that is when dangerous things can happen.

 

[Peter Parka]

I never just asumed it was unloaded, I checked first.:thumbup But you are right, there are plenty of people who do piss around with real guns and that is why so many accidents and deaths occur

 

[Joe the meek]

I never just asumed it was unloaded, I checked first.:thumbup But you are right, there are plenty of people who do piss around with real guns and that is why so many accidents and deaths occur

How many times have you shot a centerfire or rimfire rifle in your entire life?

Practice doesn't make perfect, practice working on good technique makes perfect.

People are creatures of habit, and the key with practice IMO along with good technique is not to pick up bad habits along the way. A gun is nothing more than a tool which a person needs to practice with. Problem with picking up bad habits is that in a blink of an eye, a lapse of judgement can be the cause of a fatal mistake with a firearm.

Problem with today's society IMO is people never have a problem with letting children play with toy guns, but they show no supervision in how to handle those toy guns because everyone knows those toy guns can't kill.

 

[Peter Parka]

How many times have you shot a centerfire or rimfire rifle in your entire life?

Practice doesn't make perfect, practice working on good technique makes perfect.

Never and I have no need to. I also have no need to do that to be able to check if an air rifle is unloaded.

 

[Joe the meek]

I don't like the sound of that statement.

Neither did my son.

He was "taught" never to point ANYTHING that can shoot a projectile at someones head, no matter how harmless is may seem. In his defense, he picked up some bad habits from other children that I had no control over, and apparently their parents had little control over as well.

 

[Joe the meek]

Never

I figured (actually not from your response, but the fact that you put a laser on a air rifle). Usually those are some of the loudest anti gun people I hear from.

 

[Peter Parka]

I figured (actually not from your response, but the fact that you put a laser on a air rifle). Usually those are some of the loudest anti gun people I hear from.

Ok, so glad we got that cleared up. So any chance you can answer my question now which I asked first?

If you'd like to tell me how a bb gun which is 100% not loaded can cause any harm by pointing it, please, be my guest?

 

[Joe the meek]

Because people are creatures of habits.

Remember when I mentioned I was amazed at how many people won't verify a semi auto handgun is unloaded when you let them see (handle) a pistol? Either they don't know how to ensure the chamber is cleared and are afraid to ask, or they just assume the gun is not loaded. For myself, that is a very simple test to know what kind of person I'm dealing with when it comes to guns. When a gun is placed in my hands, I AUTOMATICALLY ensure that the chamber is clear, even if I see the person clear the chamber before they give me the weapon. That is what I would consider good practice.

Bad habits can be deadly when dealing with guns.

Take someone who isn't familiar with guns and never had shot any in their life. They go out and buy a Glock for whatever reason. I'm guessing chances are greatly increased that they will have a accident with a Glock than they would over many other sidearms. Why? Because you have to pull the trigger before you field strip it. People being people, how long until someone forgets a round is in the chamber and they want to clean it?

As I said, usually people who are anti gun don't know anything what their talking about when it comes to guns other than to throw statistics around.

Just because some people are dumb asses shouldn't affect my right to own guns as long as I have my shit together (actually, I think that would make a decent bumper sticker LOL). That said, I no longer do any type of bumper stickers.

 

[Peter Parka]

......Except that that air gun wasn't loaded.

 

[Joe the meek]

......Except that that air gun wasn't loaded.

And you know how many times you can read "I didn't think the gun was loaded" when it comes to firearm accidents?

If I KNOW a gun isn't loaded and I placed the end of the barrel of that gun to your head would you appreciate it? I'd guess no, but why not? The gun isn't loaded.

 

[Peter Parka]

No but then I didn't stick my gun to anyones head. Oh, and I KNOW it wasn't loaded. It's ok to admit you haven't got anything than to continue with this rather scraping the barrel but rather amusing digging your own grave technique. :24:

 

[Joe the meek]

No but then I didn't stick my gun to anyones head. Oh, and I KNOW it wasn't loaded. It's ok to admit you haven't got anything than to continue with this rather scraping the barrel but rather amusing digging your own grave technique. :24:

Not hardly.

I never point a gun, be it loaded or unloaded at anything I don't intend to destroy. That is just one of many rules I follow to ensure that I don't have an accident that could end up being fatal. By chance if I see someone I'm shooting with practicing bad habits IMO, I won't shoot with them anymore. That is something you apparently fail to understand.

However, as I have mentioned, it's usually the people who know nothing about guns who scream the loudest that guns shouldn't be in the hands of reasonably intelligent, law abiding citizens. The problem with people who know nothing about guns making anti gun laws is that sometimes they just don't make any sense.

There is a lot of truth in the saying that "guns don't kill people, people kill people".

 

[Peter Parka]

Nope, you are wrong, it is impossible to destroy an object by pointing an unloaded air rifle at it but keep going if you like.:24:

 

[Joe the meek]

Nope, you are wrong, it is impossible to destroy an object by pointing an unloaded air rifle at it but keep going if you like.:24:

I realize that.

However, pointing even an unloaded bb gun at a living object is not safe practice IMO.

You see Peter, I consider myself a safe, intelligent law abiding gun owner.

You'll have to forgive me, I've been sucked into this long enough. I have work I need to finish for Monday.

 

[Peter Parka]

I didn't point an unloaded bb gun at a living object.:24:

 

[Johnfromokc]

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[Alien Allen]

Could one of you guys post that pic here please

That might help to add to the discussion.

Thanks in advance

 

[Joe the meek]

Could one of you guys post that pic here please

That might help to add to the discussion.

Thanks in advance

Back from work LOL

There's really no need to post the pic (you can however find it on the gun lovers thread).

For some reason Peter can't comprehend the fact that I realize that there was no danger to anyone on how he made the picture.

John, funny. I could throw one or two of those videos in on some of your other discussions on this forum

 

[BornReady]

Neither did my son.

I'm just saying I hope you didn't punish a six year old for not playing with his toy gun properly.