socialists movment woot woot!!!!

[Alien Allen]

lol at people getting angry over things just being TALKED about.

so you like the idea of a 401k being rolled into SS where you have no control over it and can not pass on unused funds to your heirs??

oh and don't forget it would be confiscated. no options.

if this ever flew.

the fact you liberals would even consider this as an option tells a lot.

 

[Strauss]

After what has (really) happened over the last eight years, the fact that some of you are in a wide-eyed panic about some subcommittee testimony is absolutely hilarious.

The fact that it has made it to committee to even be talked about should scary the shit out of you. Either that or you are really ignorant as to the whole process. Nothing makes it to committee unless someone or several of the members consider the matter viable. Take a moment and think how many different possible matters come before any committee......thousands, hence the reason for permanent staff just to weed through all the crap. If its being discussed at the committee level it has made it pass staff and, as I said, considered viable by one of our brilliant elected officials.

lol at people getting angry over things just being TALKED about.

Yeah, we should wait until it becomes law BEFORE we talk about it. Brilliant. :sarcasm

 

[Alien Allen]

The fact that it has made it to committee to even be talked about should scary the shit out of you. Either that or you are really ignorant as to the whole process. Nothing makes it to committee unless someone or several of the members consider the matter viable. Take a moment and think how many different possible matters come before any committee......thousands, hence the reason for permanent staff just to weed through all the crap. If its being discussed at the committee level it has made it pass staff and, as I said, considered viable by one of our brilliant elected officials.



Yeah, we should wait until it becomes law BEFORE we talk about it. Brilliant. :sarcasm

thanks for making a better point than I could.

 

[All Else Failed]

so you like the idea of a 401k being rolled into SS where you have no control over it and can not pass on unused funds to your heirs??

oh and don't forget it would be confiscated. no options.

if this ever flew.

the fact you liberals would even consider this as an option tells a lot.

No I like the idea of the open exchange of ideas, not matter what it is. No matter if i agree or disagree with it or not. Weird thing that democracy, huh?


Oh, btw, not a liberal.

 

[Alien Allen]

No I like the idea of the open exchange of ideas, not matter what it is. No matter if i agree or disagree with it or not. Weird thing that democracy, huh?


Oh, btw, not a liberal.

so you would support the open exchange of eliminating welfare?

how about an open exchange about taxing people for breathing?

open exchange of ideas is fine. when it reaches the desks of even subcommittees it has gone beyond the potential of open discussion.

go ahead and mock this.

I am sure there were plenty of smokers who said they were being persecuted years ago that got the same shit and now one can not smoke in a privately owned resturant. I am not a smoker by the way. Just using it as an example

 

[All Else Failed]

so you would support the open exchange of eliminating welfare?

how about an open exchange about taxing people for breathing?

open exchange of ideas is fine. when it reaches the desks of even subcommittees it has gone beyond the potential of open discussion.

go ahead and mock this.

I am sure there were plenty of smokers who said they were being persecuted years ago that got the same shit and now one can not smoke in a privately owned resturant. I am not a smoker by the way. Just using it as an example

of course


I'm not mocking anything?


The issue of smoking in a restaurant is a complicated one. it gets into worker's rights and being around dangerous things like second hand smoke. But thats only if there is a lot of smoking going on in the establishment.

 

[SgtSpike]

acctualy I feel better already.......whats that....oh yeah, finaly I can be free to do something with my life rather than pay 5 dollars a gallon (and oh yeah...you know what I'm talking about!!!!):blowme:

If it were up to Obama, he'd probably up the price of gas to $20/gallon to encourage us all to be "more green". And I can guarantee you that his getting elected is not what drove gas prices down, if that's what you're trying to imply.

 

[Peter Parka]

Only $20 a gallon? Wish our "liberal" government were that good.

 

[trekguy]

again a liberal defends the indefensible and falls back on the last 8 years bull shit.

wonder how many years you will use the last 8 as an excuse

next you will say that means I am defending the last 8 years. which I can't.

keep them blinders on and don't forget to close the door on the way out if you are the last one.

Yes, I will defend everyone's right to express their ideas... even if I don't agree with them, at all. Did you miss the part where I said that I thought the idea of the gov't eliminating private retirement was a very, very bad idea, and that I thought that it would never, ever happen, etc??

I'm not "falling back" on anything. I was just pointing out how some are getting all riled up about something that hasn't happened, and won't happen... these same people who have supported the crap that has happened in the last eight years, real crap that has cost our country thousands of lives, billions of dollars, and multiple infringements on our personal liberties, etc.

That's real stuff, not just talk, and yet that doesn't seem to matter too much to a lot of folks. :wtf:

So, how exactly is pointing that out..."using the last eight years as an excuse"? I know you did not support Bush & Co that much.... I know you hate everyone equally. It is funny, though, how often you bring it up.... it's kind of your "end of discussion" blanket you can throw on people to discount whatever point they are trying to make as just being simple "Bush-haters" and nothing else.

 

[Strauss]

I'm not "falling back" on anything. I was just pointing out how some are getting all riled up about something that hasn't happened, and won't happen... these same people who have supported the crap that has happened in the last eight years, real crap that has cost our country thousands of lives, billions of dollars, and multiple infringements on our personal liberties, etc.

I love these bullshit talking points from the Daily Kos and Huffington .com......lets just take one.............please name the multiple infringements on your personal liberties.

 

[trekguy]

I love these bullshit talking points from the Daily Kos and Huffington .com......lets just take one.............please name the multiple infringements on your personal liberties.

I love how when someone has an opinion that differs from yours, you think that they must be mindless followers of some partisan media source. FYI, I don't read either one.

Here's where you ignore my point, and try to engage in whether or not peoples' right to privacy are more or less important than national security. Whatever. The Patriot Act is a step backward for personal freedoms... and a step forward for gov't intrusion. I don't have to name them for you... you can read.

 

[Alien Allen]

I love how when someone has an opinion that differs from yours, you think that they must be mindless followers of some partisan media source. FYI, I don't read either one.

Here's where you ignore my point, and try to engage in whether or not peoples' right to privacy are more or less important than national security. Whatever. The Patriot Act is a step backward for personal freedoms... and a step forward for gov't intrusion. I don't have to name them for you... you can read.

so in other words..............

you got nothing?? :nod:

 

[trekguy]

so in other words..............

you got nothing?? :nod:

Haha.... you can read too... I think.

 

[Alien Allen]

Haha.... you can read too... I think.

you ignored the question :nod:

where have YOU been effected by the law you condemn??

 

[Strauss]

I love how when someone has an opinion that differs from yours, you think that they must be mindless followers of some partisan media source.

If the shoe fits.

Here's where you ignore my point, and try to engage in whether or not peoples' right to privacy are more or less important than national security. Whatever. The Patriot Act is a step backward for personal freedoms... and a step forward for gov't intrusion. I don't have to name them for you... you can read.

You didn't name any, you claim the Patriot Act without specifics. Again, I ask you to name the specific infringements on your personal liberties.

I bet you can't and the reason you can't is because you are spouting the talking points of Huffington and the Daily Kos despite your protests to the contrary. If you actually knew anything about the Patriot Act you would know how incorrect your statement is. Hell, Congress (both Branches) renewed the Act with minor adjustments. Are you saying that your beloved congressional liberals are infringing on your personal liberties?
I will state for what has to be the 100th time, the Patriot Act breaks no new ground, it gathers all existing statutory law and judicial decisions into one place. It does not expand governmental authority any further then what existed at the time it was first passed. What it does do is coordinate differing governmental agencies for once.

 

[trekguy]

you ignored the question :nod:

where have YOU been effected by the law you condemn??

Being a middle-aged, middle-class, boring white guy whose name ends with -son.... I most likely will not be affected myself. I was speaking for all of us "citizens". :waving:

 

[Strauss]

Being a middle-aged, middle-class, boring white guy whose name ends with -son.... I most likely will not be affected myself. I was speaking for all of us "citizens". :waving:

Okay, don't make it personal to yourself.......just name ANY infringement of personal liberties as a result of the Patriot Act. Hell name any infringement on personal liberties instituted by the Bush Administration at all.

 

[trekguy]

If the shoe fits.

You didn't name any, you claim the Patriot Act without specifics. Again, I ask you to name the sp ecific infringements on your personal liberties.

I bet you can't and the reason you can't is because you are spouting the talking points of Huffington and the Daily Kos despite your protests to the contrary. If you actually knew anything about the Patriot Act you would know how incorrect your statement is. Hell, Congress (both Branches) renewed the Act with minor adjustments. Are you saying that your beloved congressional liberals are infringing on your personal liberties?
I will state for what has to be the 100th time, the Patriot Act breaks no new ground, it gathers all existing statutory law and judicial decisions into one place. It does not expand governmental authority any further then what existed at the time it was first passed. What it does do is coordinate differing governmental agencies for once.

LOL, so now you're citing Congressional wisdom for your argument??? :24:

Ex. Telephone, email,and financial record searches without a court order.

Ex. Indefinite detention of any alien who the AG believes could be a terrorist. Yeah, that means no evidence, or due process.

Ex. Expands FISA to include US citizens.

Ex. Domestic call-tracking... Google NSA database.

Ex. Sneak and peak searches

British Columbia and Nova Scotia have gone so far as to pass privacy laws to protect their citizens from our Patriot Act.

Congress reauthorized the Act with more than a few minor adjustments. A number of the provisions were ruled unconstitutional, and had to be changed.

You can say it 100 times if you want.... there's no question that governmental authority has been expanded,even though it was tempered a bit with the '05 and '06 reauthorizations. To say that the Patriot Act hasn't expanded gov't authority and intrusion into our privacy is either a sign of ignorance..... or you work for the government. :eek

 

[Destroyer Dave]

WOW, this thread has turned into a monster that cant be stoped!!!

 

[Destroyer Dave]

Yeah i'v acctualy sat down and read te Patriot Act, and aside from it consantly back tracking its self, it sounds like a big pile of "1984 and Big Brother" to me!!!