Social Economical problems that stem from gangs

[Peter Parka]

I get you dude! You never know how good you've got it till you get it worse!

 

[COOL_BREEZE2]

Tru dat.

 

[Cotton]

Right. I also believe that people who's human rights have been disrepected and violated in many different ways, have a sort of vendetta on life. Either they get out there to bestow their anger upon society, or they use that anger to build a barrier that will keep themselves out of that very same life they grew up in.

Honestly I'm so tired of hearing about how "peoples human rights were violated" that shit is long over and done with. NO ONE alive today lived through slavery. Get over it move on. Do something successful with you life. Stop blaming the past and society today for your failings.

I've seen plenty of stories of people making it out of ghetto and being successful. I commend those people. People who try to better themselves. I have no sympathy for those who don't. Call me a bastard, call me whatever, I don't give a shit.

 

[boxer810]

There's good points in this thread, then there's others that are just...wow. There are PLENTY of kids who are born into privileged, upper class, rich lives that turn to crime and gangs as a way of life. There are those of us, me included, that were born to poor parents who barely knew where the next meal was coming from, who NEVER turned to crime or gang-banging. It's a personal choice! If there's one thing that I've learned in my life it's that no matter how bad a situation is, it can always get worse, and there's NO ONE you can count on 100% except yourself. There are ALWAYS avenues of escape, the person just has to be willing enough to look for them.

 

[Suzie]

People who are in poverty CAN get themselves out... but most just choose the lazy way about doing it. I moved from a bad section in NJ about a year ago. I was affraid to walk my kids to the bus stop. A neighbor down the street was shot and killed. My neighbors acrossed the street from me were in gangs and sold drugs. I woke up at 2 AM to a flash grenade and a drug bust. I got jumped by the girl in the gang. I had to go to court because of it, but I dropped the charges because I was too affraid of what will happen if I went through with it. My husband worked 12 hours a day, traveling an hour and a half to and from work every day. WE got out... we just bought a brand new $200,000 house in a beautiful neighborhood. It wasnt easy...noone said it was going to. Im so sick and tired of hearing all the BS excuses about how they dont have the opportunities that we have. Get over it, and try another excuse. Stop dropping out of school, get REAL job, even if its at Mcdonalds or whatever it is. But get off your ass and do something about it and stop making excuses for it.

 

[Cotton]

People who are in poverty CAN get themselves out... but most just choose the lazy way about doing it. I moved from a bad section in NJ about a year ago. I was affraid to walk my kids to the bus stop. A neighbor down the street was shot and killed. My neighbors acrossed the street from me were in gangs and sold drugs. I woke up at 2 AM to a flash grenade and a drug bust. I got jumped by the girl in the gang. I had to go to court because of it, but I dropped the charges because I was too affraid of what will happen if I went through with it. My husband worked 12 hours a day, traveling an hour and a half to and from work every day. WE got out... we just bought a brand new $200,000 house in a beautiful neighborhood. It wasnt easy...noone said it was going to. Im so sick and tired of hearing all the BS excuses about how they dont have the opportunities that we have. Get over it, and try another excuse. Stop dropping out of school, get REAL job, even if its at Mcdonalds or whatever it is. But get off your ass and do something about it and stop making excuses for it.

Amen sister, amen...:clap

 

[boxer810]

People who are in poverty CAN get themselves out... but most just choose the lazy way about doing it. I moved from a bad section in NJ about a year ago. I was affraid to walk my kids to the bus stop. A neighbor down the street was shot and killed. My neighbors acrossed the street from me were in gangs and sold drugs. I woke up at 2 AM to a flash grenade and a drug bust. I got jumped by the girl in the gang. I had to go to court because of it, but I dropped the charges because I was too affraid of what will happen if I went through with it. My husband worked 12 hours a day, traveling an hour and a half to and from work every day. WE got out... we just bought a brand new $200,000 house in a beautiful neighborhood. It wasnt easy...noone said it was going to. Im so sick and tired of hearing all the BS excuses about how they dont have the opportunities that we have. Get over it, and try another excuse. Stop dropping out of school, get REAL job, even if its at Mcdonalds or whatever it is. But get off your ass and do something about it and stop making excuses for it.

:clap Well said, and very true.

 

[Elle]

Ugh, really now. Some of you have posted about the troubles you were having and what not. Imagine having those emotional barriers 1,000 fold? Just because YOU have done what you've done in life, doesn't mean that other emotional distraught and blinded people can. The lack of compassion from some of you is disgusting.

I am not about babying someone, BUT again, some people just need another kind person to help them out. What if they never meet anyone like that? I certainly never did during my troubled childhood! Not one person! Everyone was out for themselves, or were just too chickenshit to speak up about anything. I also never knew of any resources to report the problems with my step dad to. Instead, someone, somehow found out about some things within my household, (maybe from all the screaming and yelling and police), and it soon got around school...I was ridiculed, even by TEACHERS. They'd make nasty, snide comments about MY HOME LIFE! And I didn't live in the ghetto. I can only imagine the shit kids deal with from peers and elders.

Again, NOT everyone knows/thinks about another life. They see their entire family amount to nothing, why should they? HOW could they?

 

[Elle]

People who are in poverty CAN get themselves out... but most just choose the lazy way about doing it. I moved from a bad section in NJ about a year ago. I was affraid to walk my kids to the bus stop. A neighbor down the street was shot and killed. My neighbors acrossed the street from me were in gangs and sold drugs. I woke up at 2 AM to a flash grenade and a drug bust. I got jumped by the girl in the gang. I had to go to court because of it, but I dropped the charges because I was too affraid of what will happen if I went through with it. My husband worked 12 hours a day, traveling an hour and a half to and from work every day. WE got out... we just bought a brand new $200,000 house in a beautiful neighborhood. It wasnt easy...noone said it was going to. Im so sick and tired of hearing all the BS excuses about how they dont have the opportunities that we have. Get over it, and try another excuse. Stop dropping out of school, get REAL job, even if its at Mcdonalds or whatever it is. But get off your ass and do something about it and stop making excuses for it.

You have only spoken of your adult life. What sort of tragedies have you had to deal with in your youth? Also, again, you're not everyone.

 

[Suzie]

UGH! Seriously, this is fucking useless. Did I have a helping hand? NO... Not everyone needs a helping hand to get themselves out of a bad situation. The stupidity from some of you is disgusting...you are the ones that are blind.

 

[Johnny C]

Ugh, really now. Some of you have posted about the troubles you were having and what not. Imagine having those emotional barriers 1,000 fold? Just because YOU have done what you've done in life, doesn't mean that other emotional distraught and blinded people can. The lack of compassion from some of you is disgusting.

I am not about babying someone, BUT again, some people just need another kind person to help them out. What if they never meet anyone like that? I certainly never did during my troubled childhood! Not one person! Everyone was out for themselves, or were just too chickenshit to speak up about anything. I also never knew of any resources to report the problems with my step dad to. Instead, someone, somehow found out about some things within my household, (maybe from all the screaming and yelling and police), and it soon got around school...I was ridiculed, even by TEACHERS. They'd make nasty, snide comments about MY HOME LIFE! And I didn't live in the ghetto. I can only imagine the shit kids deal with from peers and elders.

Again, NOT everyone knows/thinks about another life. They see their entire family amount to nothing, why should they? HOW could they?

And who are you to say exactly HOW bad our problems were or weren't?? You can't... you have no idea what my wife has been through and therefore cannot compare anything you went through, nor anyone else went through to what she went through.

As far as your problems, that sucks, I know nothing about them, but I'm sure they were bad, but where are you now? Still in that problem? In poverty? What happened? Did you get yourself out or did you sit there and feel sorry for yourself and blame everyone else for your problems?? That's what we're getting at here... these "people" in such poverty, all they do is sit around and blame everyone else for their problems when it's all in THEIR control, not everyone elses. People need to take responsibility for their own actions and stop living off of the blame they put on everyone else and trying to make everyone else feel sorry for them.... oohhh poor people, they HAVE to sell drugs to make a living, I mean, there's NO way they can afford that Cadillac Escalade with those 22s by working at Wal-Mart... poor things... sell the stupid 22s and Escalade, go by a used Cavalier or something and support yourself in a REAL, LEGAL way.... it's ignorance.

 

[Suzie]

You have only spoken of your adult life. What sort of tragedies have you had to deal with in your youth? Also, again, you're not everyone.

Im not going to sit here and tell you what I went through in my childhood. It wouldnt make a bit of difference to you. You are so shut on this that it is insane to try and communicate with you anymore about this. Dont sit here and try and compare my childhood or my adult life to those people that are still there in the mess that they are in.

 

[Johnny C]

Also, again, you're not everyone.

And neither are you.

 

[Cotton]

No one gave me a helping hand. Hell I almost failed school because my mom WAS my helping hand. Fuck even my brother who is 10 years older didn't help. He just took off whenever things got bad.

Sorry no sympathy here.

 

[Elle]

BLIND!? Apparentely some of you need to LEARN a lot more about this subject before you sit there and you use your perfect selves as examples, every single time someone mentions that "not everyone is emotional capable to thinking/knowing/seeing otherwise!"

Do you not have a CLUE as to how many debillatating PTSDs there are out there?? They are REAL, and they leave people handicapped and sick. Unable to see anything other than pain and distress, because your mind changes. You don't think about life, you just LIVE through it, any way you can, because that's all you know. SOME people live like this! Open your eyes to the people whose lives are heartbreaking, NOT the people who are fucking gang bangers. Have some compassion for OTHER people and stop thinking of yourselves and how perfect you are, and how much of an example you are to these people.

 

[Cotton]

BLIND!? Apparentely some of you need to LEARN a lot more about this subject before you sit there and you use your perfect selves as examples, every single time someone mentions that "not everyone is emotional capable to thinking/knowing/seeing otherwise!"

Do you not have a CLUE as to how many debillatating PTSDs there are out there?? They are REAL, and they leave people handicapped and sick. Unable to see anything other than pain and distress, because your mind changes. You don't think about life, you just LIVE through it, any way you can, because that's all you know. SOME people live like this! Open your eyes to the people whose lives are heartbreaking, NOT the people who are fucking gang bangers. Have some compassion for OTHER people and stop thinking of yourselves and how perfect you are, and how much of an example you are to these people.

LMAO @ my perfect life. :willy_nilly:

My life was FAR from perfect, it's STILL far from perfect. But I soldiered on.

 

[Johnny C]

NOT the people who are fucking gang bangers.

Did you NOT read the title of this thread????

 

[Suzie]

BLIND!? Apparentely some of you need to LEARN a lot more about this subject before you sit there and you use your perfect selves as examples, every single time someone mentions that "not everyone is emotional capable to thinking/knowing/seeing otherwise!"

Do you not have a CLUE as to how many debillatating PTSDs there are out there?? They are REAL, and they leave people handicapped and sick. Unable to see anything other than pain and distress, because your mind changes. You don't think about life, you just LIVE through it, any way you can, because that's all you know. SOME people live like this! Open your eyes to the people whose lives are heartbreaking, NOT the people who are fucking gang bangers. Have some compassion for OTHER people and stop thinking of yourselves and how perfect you are, and how much of an example you are to these people.

I think you are aware that we are not speaking of the handicapped people. Nope, as mentioned before, we are talking about the Cadillac, 22 inch riding around gang bangers. Dont sit here and say that I am perfect, I am not trying to say I am perfect. You dont know shit about my life except for the paragraph I typed out of my 29 years of life. Read the title of the thread next time. Gang bangers is the whole topic...NOT handicapped people. I cant remember the last time I saw a handicapped person riding around gang banging. Give me a fucking break.

 

[Elle]

And who are you to say exactly HOW bad our problems were or weren't??

When did I sort through people's stories and dismiss them? I'm not an asshole like that and would never do this.

You can't... you have no idea what my wife has been through and therefore cannot compare anything you went through, nor anyone else went through to what she went through.

Huh? What's your wife got to do with anything I was stating? I don't know her! And if she had some rough shit she went through, I'm sorry for her, really. I empathsize with ANYone's struggles in life!

As far as your problems, that sucks, I know nothing about them, but I'm sure they were bad, but where are you now? Still in that problem? In poverty? What happened? Did you get yourself out or did you sit there and feel sorry for yourself and blame everyone else for your problems?? That's what we're getting at here... these "people" in such poverty, all they do is sit around and blame everyone else for their problems when it's all in THEIR control, not everyone elses. People need to take responsibility for their own actions and stop living off of the blame they put on everyone else and trying to make everyone else feel sorry for them.... oohhh poor people, they HAVE to sell drugs to make a living, I mean, there's NO way they can afford that Cadillac Escalade with those 22s by working at Wal-Mart... poor things... sell the stupid 22s and Escalade, go by a used Cavalier or something and support yourself in a REAL, LEGAL way.... it's ignorance.

You are not seperating the people who ARE not gang bangers... That's what I'M standing up for. NOT the gang bangers...They are the ones who DID make choices to join gangs. I'm speaking of the very messed up people, that have kind enough hearts to not join a gang, but that's where their knowledge stops. they do not sit they and "blame" anyone, they just...sit. Stuck, in their own mind. what I'm trying to get through is the sever psychological problems that stem from massive forms of abuse.

You ask what I did to get though? (Thanks for asking, btw).

Well...I was always a pretty smart kid, so I think I was just logically lucky to be able to separate the terrible things at home and do what I enjoyed to free myself. I joined everything I could at school and was Ms. Social Butterfly. So much so, that the less than a handful of people who I shared details about my homelife were truly shocked. It was a fascade I put on, to make ME feel good somewhere, since I couldn't at home. That fascade enhanced my personality, helped me learn who I was inside and I ran with that. I was approved for college course in 10th grade and already had a year of college in before I graduated high school. Now sure, that's academically. Was I perfect outside of school? HELL no! I rarely came home, I drank to oblivion, snuck out at night, tried taking off with my grandma's car, but ended up in the neighbor's sideyward. I lived very carefree. I just made sure I had my homework done to keep my grades up so I could stay a part of my dances teams, and soccer. So...academically, I was perfect, outside of school, I was a wreck.

To fast forward, I met my ex when I was 18 and since he was 5 years older than I, he'd been through college and all that. He had a great paying job for his age, and came from a super nice family. He grew up in a leave it to beaver household. I believe it was him that made me stop being such a trainwreck outside of college. Granted I never touched drugs, but alcohol was my social necessity. He and his family sort of took me in...? I don't know how else to say that, but since I've always had a really kind heart, I think they took to that and really enjoyed making me a part of their family. I went with it, even though my ex and I were up and down with our lives together. Granted, we had a good life. Never worried about money...etc. But, emotionally, we weren't on the same level until a few years in...

Basically, to fast forward NOW, we are divorced, remain friends, and I am with a man I've been with for 5 years, and we look forward to our next phases in life. I'm always a work in progress. I have a bad temper, and despite my size, I am ferocious enough to lay someone out. I wish I didn't think like that, but a lot of my past is catching up with me and I only have my sister who really understands it all. (She did not live with me during my step father days). If I didn't have her, I'd really have no one who understands my past to vent to. I am not sure how I'd be in life right now, to be honest. I may still have a high paying position, but my personal life, and myself would be much more messy.

 

[Elle]

I think you are aware that we are not speaking of the handicapped people. Nope, as mentioned before, we are talking about the Cadillac, 22 inch riding around gang bangers. Dont sit here and say that I am perfect, I am not trying to say I am perfect. You dont know shit about my life except for the paragraph I typed out of my 29 years of life. Read the title of the thread next time. Gang bangers is the whole topic...NOT handicapped people. I cant remember the last time I saw a handicapped person riding around gang banging. Give me a fucking break.

Ok, cleared up. Let's keep that thought when going forward. I really read into all of this as you guys generalizing ALL of the ghetto, which is pretty damned shitty. No need to be so friggin defensive, I MADE this thread, I knwo what the stinking title says, and since when does a topic NOT get shifted around to include other relating subjects?

And handicapped, do you understand what I meant when I used that term? I thought I made it clear...but I meant severely emotionally handicapped.