Social Economical problems that stem from gangs

[Peter Parka]

And...to elaborate: even though Fraink was not part of say, the Crips, Bloods, etc...he is still a black gangster. I think when people think of "black gangster" they will typically think of the trashy behavior of the above mentioned gangs.

Depends where you are and what kind of gang we're talking about I guess. Cass Pennant is notorious over here as the former leader of the ICF, the West Ham hooligan gang.

 

[Elle]

Depends where you are and what kind of gang we're talking about I guess. Cass Pennant is notorious over here as the former leader of the ICF, the West Ham hooligan gang.

OK, you're right.

I guess I mean in the US.

 

[FreeWorkVest]

The way I look at it, a white person can still live a normal life after proson if he was in the mafia. If you are part of a "latino" or "black" gang, even if you want to rise above it, society won't let you. Being and ex-mafioso is cool, being a former Blood is not.

 

[Cotton]

The way I look at it, a white person can still live a normal life after proson if he was in the mafia. If you are part of a "latino" or "black" gang, even if you want to rise above it, society won't let you. Being and ex-mafioso is cool, being a former Blood is not.

Not true... Snoop Dog has made street cred for being a former Cript or Blood, forget which one.

 

[skyblue]

Not true... Snoop Dog has made street cred for being a former Cript or Blood, forget which one.

yea...and the others in his group are dead now......whens it his turn?

 

[Elle]

yea...and the others in his group are dead now......whens it his turn?

lmao.

 

[Elle]

The way I look at it, a white person can still live a normal life after proson if he was in the mafia. If you are part of a "latino" or "black" gang, even if you want to rise above it, society won't let you. Being and ex-mafioso is cool, being a former Blood is not.

Agreed.

 

[Peter Parka]

The way I look at it, a white person can still live a normal life after proson if he was in the mafia. If you are part of a "latino" or "black" gang, even if you want to rise above it, society won't let you. Being and ex-mafioso is cool, being a former Blood is not.

Are you kidding??? You cannot just leave the Mafia. If you try to you will most likely end up dead!

 

[Cotton]

Swim wit da fishes!

 

[Elle]

I think he meant after a prison term. Perhaps if guido was in the pen for 25 years or something...

 

[All Else Failed]

INNNNNTERESTING point there, regarding the mafia. It's like, they are the "classy" of the gang bangers!

what? They were low life murderers.



People join gangs because of their social and economic standing, mostly (there are a few exceptions). Most crime, gangs and violence stem from being in a poor place because when you are poor, you are more desperate to survive. People don't WANT to be poor, so no one per se "chooses" poverty in a sense. They join gangs to try to make money and gain protection.

 

[Elle]

what? They were low life murderers.



People join gangs because of their social and economic standing, mostly (there are a few exceptions). Most crime, gangs and violence stem from being in a poor place because when you are poor, you are more desperate to survive. People don't WANT to be poor, so no one per se "chooses" poverty in a sense. They join gangs to try to make money and gain protection.

Am I condoning or emulating their actions in any way? No way.
I am simply stating the differences in the public's way of embracing the mafia as opposed to any black/latino based gang.

 

[All Else Failed]

Am I condoning or emulating their actions in any way? No way.
I am simply stating the differences in the public's way of embracing the mafia as opposed to any black/latino based gang.

Its because they were romanticized in a very turbulent time where most Americans had a very low opinion of the government as a whole. They acted like Robin hoods, stealing from the rich and giving to the poor. crips and bloods would probably be seen in the same light if they were in the right time era.

 

[Elle]

what? They were low life murderers.



People join gangs because of their social and economic standing, mostly (there are a few exceptions). Most crime, gangs and violence stem from being in a poor place because when you are poor, you are more desperate to survive. People don't WANT to be poor, so no one per se "chooses" poverty in a sense. They join gangs to try to make money and gain protection.

And to the rest...

You're basically agreeing with my statement that they chose gangs, therefore they chose poverty.

It's like me chosing to rack up thousands of dollars on a credit card to "fit in" with my surroundings or something to that effect. I know it will put me in mass debt, but I'm here to be part of something, no matter the consequences.




again, references to "me and my" are rhetorical.

 

[Elle]

Its because they were romanticized in a very turbulent time where most Americans had a very low opinion of the government as a whole. They acted like Robin hoods, stealing from the rich and giving to the poor. crips and bloods would probably be seen in the same light if they were in the right time era.

Romanticized. PERFECT term. I believe that's the basis of ALL individual's gang choices.

 

[All Else Failed]

And to the rest...

You're basically agreeing with my statement that they chose gangs, therefore they chose poverty.

It's like me chosing to rack up thousands of dollars on a credit card to "fit in" with my surroundings or something to that effect. I know it will put me in mass debt, but I'm here to be part of something, no matter the consequences.




again, references to "me and my" are rhetorical.

I just have a problem with the idea that they WANT to live in the ghetto and be impoverished for the rest of their lives. I just think its their idea of staying alive, so its not like they actively CHOOSE to want to stay poor, just that they are disillusioned that they will never become wealthy.

 

[Peter Parka]

Its because they were romanticized in a very turbulent time where most Americans had a very low opinion of the government as a whole. They acted like Robin hoods, stealing from the rich and giving to the poor. crips and bloods would probably be seen in the same light if they were in the right time era.

Kind of the stuff that people in the East End over here bleat on about the Krays.

It's all "They luvved their muvva, the streets were safer back then, they only urt people who deserved it ect ect":smiley24:

 

[Cotton]

I just have a problem with the idea that they WANT to live in the ghetto and be impoverished for the rest of their lives. I just think its their idea of staying alive, so its not like they actively CHOOSE to want to stay poor, just that they are disillusioned that they will never become wealthy.

Cry me a river.

Everyone has choices in life.

 

[Elle]

I just have a problem with the idea that they WANT to live in the ghetto and be impoverished for the rest of their lives. I just think its their idea of staying alive, so its not like they actively CHOOSE to want to stay poor, just that they are disillusioned that they will never become wealthy.

Hey, some do, because of pride. Some subscribe to the train of thought that they are dissing their 'hood's brothers and sisters, if they leave. Their fear of their peers thinking any less of them for doing something to better their lives is enough to keep them there. Sounds crazy, but it keeps them safe, number one, and two, they keep the "power" they have in the 'hood. Outside of the 'hood, they are regarding as uneducated low lifes. It's almost impossible to jump outside of this shell.

 

[All Else Failed]

Cry me a river.

Everyone has choices in life.

Thats easy to say, since we're all privileged whites in a society that favors whites.


You're making the mistake of thinking that all choices are equal across ethnic and class borders, and all choices are in the same number. Its often that choices are very limited.