Social Economical problems that stem from gangs

[Cotton]

No I haven't. But what difference does that situation and something like I grew up in or even Elle...

 

[Elle]

You need to accept that NOT EVERYONE HAS THE FRIGGIN BRAIN/EMOTIONAL CAPACITY to even THINK about seeing a better life for themselves!

It's a REAL problem and if you don't know much about it, then don't fight it with empty statements.

 

[Elle]

No I haven't. But what difference does that situation and something like I grew up in or even Elle...

I had not one person/adult that was supportive or there for me, until I was almost 16-17 years old. That as my aunt, who has her own turmoil in her life. Before that, there was NO ONE. Not a school mentor, not a neighbor, not a friend's parent, NO ONE. But..I didn't live in a ghetto, with the pressures of a crime life either.

I still did OK, but if I HAD someone I wouldn't be dealing with some of the flashbacks and PTSD that I'm dealing with now at 34.

 

[Cotton]

I also had no one. My mother was my support. When she became sick... I lost all that. My dad is great, but he just isn't the supportive or motivational type. I started flunking in school and my dad would help me hide the failure notices so that my mom didn't find out. I had to attend night school just to graduate high school.

All the while I had people offering me this drug, and that drink... I never did ANY of that crap.

 

[Johnny C]

Hey BadBoy, you mentioned the MAFIA, well, there's a HUUUUUGGEEE difference between the MAFIA and stupid little gang bangers, even the crypts and bloods, or whatever they are, are NOTHING compared to the MAFIA... if all these gangs were anything CLOSE to the MAFIA, we wouldn't have stupid drive-bys and stuff like that HALF as much as we do now.. the MAFIA is a well organized crime unit... doesn't make it right, but it's a well thought out organization that don't just drive around killing people because they wear the wrong color handkerchief or something....

AEF, on your comment about us being a bunch of white people talking about something we know nothing about... well, isn't that a racist comment? I mean, why couldn't white people know about being in poverty, or having rough times??? because we don't have those issues right? we only CAUSE them for other races, right?? Get over it man.... people like you make racism worse than it really is.... you turn non-racist comments and topics into a racist topic or comment....

 

[Elle]

Hey BadBoy, you mentioned the MAFIA, well, there's a HUUUUUGGEEE difference between the MAFIA and stupid little gang bangers, even the crypts and bloods, or whatever they are, are NOTHING compared to the MAFIA... if all these gangs were anything CLOSE to the MAFIA, we wouldn't have stupid drive-bys and stuff like that HALF as much as we do now.. the MAFIA is a well organized crime unit... doesn't make it right, but it's a well thought out organization that don't just drive around killing people because they wear the wrong color handkerchief or something....

Exacto.

 

[Elle]

I also had no one. My mother was my support. When she became sick... I lost all that. My dad is great, but he just isn't the supportive or motivational type. I started flunking in school and my dad would help me hide the failure notices so that my mom didn't find out. I had to attend night school just to graduate high school.

All the while I had people offering me this drug, and that drink... I never did ANY of that crap.

Yea, never touched drugs, either. Really sad about your mom. I hope it's not to personal to ask, but, how is she now?

 

[Suzie]

Ok, cleared up. Let's keep that thought when going forward. I really read into all of this as you guys generalizing ALL of the ghetto, which is pretty damned shitty. No need to be so friggin defensive, I MADE this thread, I knwo what the stinking title says, and since when does a topic NOT get shifted around to include other relating subjects?

And handicapped, do you understand what I meant when I used that term? I thought I made it clear...but I meant severely emotionally handicapped.

If I recall, I wasnt the one acting "defensive" in the first place. It is not that I had a problem with the "topic" being shifted around, it is the fact that you were putting words in my mouth that I had a problem with. And it is obvious that neither of us are going to budge on the way we view this. My views are very strong on this...and that is where I stand.

 

[Elle]

If I recall, I wasnt the one acting "defensive" in the first place. It is not that I had a problem with the "topic" being shifted around, it is the fact that you were putting words in my mouth that I had a problem with. And it is obvious that neither of us are going to budge on the way we view this. My views are very strong on this...and that is where I stand.

YOU did say, "people living in poverty"...I already explained what I took from that. It's a generalization. I went with it, you yelled at me, telling me I was wrong, that you really meant only shitty gang bangers. Well, OK then.

Edit: also your example of you and your husband's struggles mentioned your meager means. It only emphasized your "people living in poverty" statement to include everyone, not JUST gang members. You kept saying, "we got out, so can they." Then you yell at me for taking that just as you put it! and ironically, point me to the title of this thread...so are you and your husband gang bangers? If not, why mention your tough times, in a tough 'hood, and how you "got out" if you are only talking about gang members being lazy?
Why keep arguing about it when it was explained on both sides?

 

[Suzie]

YOU did say, "people living in poverty"...I already explained what I took from that. It's a generalization. I went with it, you yelled at me, telling me I was wrong, that you really meant only shitty gang bangers. Well, OK then.

Why keep arguing about it when it was explained on both sides?

Yes, we have gone over this...

 

[Cotton]

Yea, never touched drugs, either. Really sad about your mom. I hope it's not to personal to ask, but, how is she now?

Next month will be a year out of her liver transplant. The first few months was really hard because she couldn't have her arthritis medicine. The doctors were to affraid to give it to her with a brand new liver. So it was almost like it was starting all over again. We'd go to her house and she just sat crying from the pain. Some nights she dealt better, but we could hear her crying as soon as we left the house. On thanks giving she almost OD'ed on pain medicine because she wanted to have dinner at her house, but she was affraid she would be in too much pain. She took something like 4 OxyCotin on top of 2 doses of Morphine (she has morphine tablets). She was sick, vomiting all day. She's damn lucky it didn't kill her. Now she is back on arthritis meds which are a HUGE help. She has her ups and downs. She has been hospitalized twice recently for breathing issues. Believe me it has not been easy. Even now at 27 it's not easy. The liver transplant was probably the worst time of all these years. Thanks for asking though.

I'm glad to hear you turned out ok after everything you've been through also.

 

[Elle]

Next month will be a year out of her liver transplant. The first few months was really hard because she couldn't have her arthritis medicine. The doctors were to affraid to give it to her with a brand new liver. So it was almost like it was starting all over again. We'd go to her house and she just sat crying from the pain. Some nights she dealt better, but we could hear her crying as soon as we left the house. On thanks giving she almost OD'ed on pain medicine because she wanted to have dinner at her house, but she was affraid she would be in too much pain. She took something like 4 OxyCotin on top of 2 doses of Morphine (she has morphine tablets). She was sick, vomiting all day. She's damn lucky it didn't kill her. Now she is back on arthritis meds which are a HUGE help. She has her ups and downs. She has been hospitalized twice recently for breathing issues. Believe me it has not been easy. Even now at 27 it's not easy. The liver transplant was probably the worst time of all these years. Thanks for asking though.

I'm glad to hear you turned out ok after everything you've been through also.

Not to keep this going to clutter up the thread...but glad to hear she has SOME progress.

and thanks.

 

[Suzie]

YOU did say, "people living in poverty"...I already explained what I took from that. It's a generalization. I went with it, you yelled at me, telling me I was wrong, that you really meant only shitty gang bangers. Well, OK then.

Edit: also your example of you and your husband's struggles mentioned your meager means. It only emphasized your "people living in poverty" statement to include everyone, not JUST gang members. You kept saying, "we got out, so can they." Then you yell at me for taking that just as you put it! and ironically, point me to the title of this thread...so are you and your husband gang bangers? If not, why mention your tough times, in a tough 'hood, and how you "got out" if you are only talking about gang members being lazy?
Why keep arguing about it when it was explained on both sides?

Did you not talk about YOUR tough times? And how you mentioned that you were not living in the hood? I am not the one that KEEPS arguing about it!!!!!!! You JUST edited your post to add THAT!?!

 

[Elle]

Yes, we have gone over this...

I editted.

 

[Suzie]

I editted.

I saw.

 

[Elle]

Did you not talk about YOUR tough times? And how you mentioned that you were not living in the hood? I am not the one that KEEPS arguing about it!!!!!!! You JUST edited your post to add THAT!?!

You were telling me how defensive I was being. I explained a MILLION + 2 TIMES why I mentioned the lack of compassion was disgusting. BECAUSE OF YOUR THE "PEOPLE LIVING IN POVERTY", which I took as a generalization. AND I EXPLAINED IT! Even after I explained it, you come back 2 hours later and pick one thing out to tell me how "feel strongly" about this. WTF?

 

[Suzie]

You were telling me how defensive I was being. I explained a MILLION + 2 TIMES why I mentioned the lack of compassion was disgusting. BECAUSE OF YOUR THE "PEOPLE LIVING IN POVERTY", which I took as a generalization. AND I EXPLAINED IT! Even after I explained it, you come back 2 hours later and pick one thing out to tell me how "feel strongly" about this. WTF?

Your unbelievable!! YOU were the one that said "stop being so defensive" Get over yourself girl and stop going around in circles. Are you on something right now?

 

[Elle]

also, budge on view of WHAT?

I friggin sat here, posted 450 repsonses about how I think gang bangers have no excuses and are disgusting! Yes, I agreed, they could have made a better choice!

You disagreeing with that??

 

[Johnny C]

also, budge on view of WHAT?

I friggin sat here, posted 450 repsonses about how I think gang bangers have no excuses and are disgusting! Yes, I agreed, they could have made a better choice!

You disagreeing with that??

You were the one to bring up people with PTSD, when the title clearly says Economical Problems(poverty) that stems from Gangs.... no where did we mention anything about people with Emotional Issues, you did.... and as far as the people with these issues, it still gives them no right to commit crimes.

 

[Suzie]

Useless...