Science Saved My Soul.....................

[Minor Axis]

....................From Religion

An absolutely brilliant, powerful presentation that both believers and non believers will enjoy.

"When I think of what science has done for me compared to what religion tried to do to me, I shiver." - Phil Hellenes

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6w2M50_Xdk

Not the first time this video has been featured in a OTZ thread.

It's amazing isnt' it, and through scientific eyes, we get to enjoy it........but science didn't create it, it only uncovered it. Imagine being the creator of such brilliance, yet such simplicity wrapped up into one complex universe.....wow! True, the bible speaks to us of a physical hell that most people don't believe is real, but scientists also tried to convince us at one point that the earth was flat....lol

The great minds behind some of the greatest discoveries of this universe were created by God.....let us not forget that. He's given us so much, hasn't He?

Great post!

You speak as if projecting fact, a thinking, loving creator who has a personal relationship with each of us. The problem as with most strong theists is that you assume one heck of a lot, about what has been given as a gift to us by a deity who loves us dearly. It makes you feel good and that's fine except when it's presented as some kind of truth in a forum discussion. My contrary view is that while these feeling could be true, (because they can't be disproven) based on my experiences and what we know (which is nothing) they act mostly as psychological comfort food to provide reassurance and a buffer against the unknown and inevitability of physical death, regardless of the truth or any actual projected love. Making up stuff in one's mind to feel comforted is a trait of human psychology through the ages. We've been in this discussion before, but everyone like repeating themselves especially when it comes to the All Mighty.

I admit to have a feeling of well being, but the only difference between me and you (my opinion) is that I don't know what the source of these feelings are but you are sure. You have no corner on the odds of being right.

 

[Johnfromokc]

Not the first time this video has been featured in a OTZ thread.

True dat. But it took a noob to frame it and guide it to 9 pages and counting.

 

[sexysadie]

Not the first time this video has been featured in a OTZ thread.



You speak as if projecting fact, a thinking, loving creator who has a personal relationship with each of us. The problem as with most strong theists is that you assume one heck of a lot, about what has been given as a gift to us by a deity who loves us dearly. It makes you feel good and that's fine except when it's presented as some kind of truth in a forum discussion. My contrary view is that while these feeling could be true, (because they can't be disproven) based on my experiences and what we know (which is nothing) they act mostly as psychological comfort food to provide reassurance and a buffer against the unknown and inevitability of physical death, regardless of the truth or any actual projected love. Making up stuff in one's mind to feel comforted is a trait of human psychology through the ages. We've been in this discussion before, but everyone like repeating themselves especially when it comes to the All Mighty.

I admit to have a feeling of well being, but the only difference between me and you (my opinion) is that I don't know what the source of these feelings are but you are sure. You have no corner on the odds of being right.

Yes I AM sure, I hope that one day you can say the same. I don't really care about who's right and who's wrong, to me that's neither here nor there, I'm just saying that there IS a God.....to me, that's just plain fact.

 

[sexysadie]

Then why do you participate at all? I mean, if your mind is made up and unchangeable then it is closed. And if you think others' beliefs are just as strong then you're not going to change their minds. What's the point?

There were at least three times, probably more, in this thread that I wanted to respond to a post of yours. I decided not to each time because, well, mainly because you were getting hammered from several angles and I didn't want to appear to be just dogpiling on, and I figured you would view my comments as attacks rather than conversation. Now I see that your mind is closed regarding religion, what's the point in conversing?

I join conversations to learn and to express my opinions, but mainly to challenge my own thoughts so that I can refine and strengthen them. If I "know" the answer and don't think I can change the other person's mind, or at least make them consider, then I don't bother trying. What's the use?

Why? Because I have something to say. This thread is filled with athiests who are closed minded to MY point....why not ask them the same question?

 

[BornReady]

I'm an atheist but I'm open to the possibility that a god or gods exist. I don't believe in any gods because no one has given me any evidence that they exist other than personal anecdotes that can't be verified. God has not been proven to exist and it's impossible to prove something doesn't exist. So, in this case, agnosticism is the only open minded stance. I am an agnostic atheist. There are also agnostic theists.

 

[Peter Parka]

Yes I AM sure, I hope that one day you can say the same. I don't really care about who's right and who's wrong, to me that's neither here nor there, I'm just saying that there IS a God.....to me, that's just plain fact.

You can parrott off myths as facts as much as you like but it dosen't make you right and makes you look like you've lost the argument because you cannot refute things that people have said and have run out of things to say.

 

[Accountable]

Yes I AM sure, I hope that one day you can say the same. I don't really care about who's right and who's wrong, to me that's neither here nor there, I'm just saying that there IS a God.....to me, that's just plain fact.

I'm guessing you could read this a dozen times over and not see the irony.

Why? Because I have something to say. This thread is filled with athiests who are closed minded to MY point....why not ask them the same question?

I spose because you're the only one I've seen that says her mind is made up and can't be changed, acknowledges that the people she aims her posts at have made up their minds and can't be changed, yet continues to post anyway.

 

[sexysadie]

You can parrott off myths as facts as much as you like but it dosen't make you right and makes you look like you've lost the argument because you cannot refute things that people have said and have run out of things to say.

I really don't care what it makes me look like...lol. To me they ARE facts. I stand by what I believe to be true, if that makes me look bad in your eyes then you've got issues my friend.

 

[Peter Parka]

I really don't care what it makes me look like...lol. To me they ARE facts. I stand by what I believe to be true, if that makes me look bad in your eyes then you've got issues my friend.

Why would not believing someone who's evidence to back up their belief is simply "I just know" mean I've got issues?

 

[sexysadie]

I'm guessing you could read this a dozen times over and not see the irony.


I spose because you're the only one I've seen that says her mind is made up and can't be changed, acknowledges that the people she aims her posts at have made up their minds and can't be changed, yet continues to post anyway.

Isn't that what it's all about? I mean....I'm not here in hopes that somebody may change my mind about God anymore than the next person is here to have their minds changed. I'm here to express my views and I've mentioned time and time again that I don't know all there is to know about Gods' plan for us.......that's where my faith comes into play. There's really nothing more to say other than to point out that as long as I'm being replied to in this thread, I WILL return and reply back.

 

[Peter Parka]

Seeing that you're close minded about the whole thing, why enter a debate about it and why keep replying when all you are doing is getting arsey with others and just repeating the same thing over and over again while not addressing any points that others bring up? That's not debating.

 

[sexysadie]

Why would not believing someone who's evidence to back up their belief is simply "I just know" mean I've got issues?

I was mostly referring to my right to express my views. ....but yes, I do believe that you have issues. Truth is, I consider my faith a blessing.....and I stand by it 110%.

 

[sexysadie]

Seeing that you're close minded about the whole thing, why enter a debate about it and why keep replying when all you are doing is getting arsey with others and just repeating the same thing over and over again while not addressing any points that others bring up? That's not debating.

lol..and what you're doing IS? Please! The fact that you could consider me closed minded because I believe that something actually exists is a little strange on your part, don't you think? I mean, when you think about it, you're closed minded as well..........why are YOU here? Ohhhh right.....the issue thing, I keep forgetting, my bad.

Carry on Peter.

 

[Peter Parka]

You've got every right to express your views. When you refuse to address any points anyone raises about them though, in a debate forum and just keep repeating the same thing over and over again, while getting an attitude at people, it's pointless and rather tiresome.

 

[sexysadie]

I'm an atheist but I'm open to the possibility that a god or gods exist. I don't believe in any gods because no one has given me any evidence that they exist other than personal anecdotes that can't be verified. God has not been proven to exist and it's impossible to prove something doesn't exist. So, in this case, agnosticism is the only open minded stance. I am an agnostic atheist. There are also agnostic theists.

I'm sorry BR but I find it a little sad that you need absolute proof of something in order to believe that it exists.....I can't help but wonder what your love life is like...lol...sorry....it just slipped out

 

[Peter Parka]

You're admitted you're close minded, why start getting attitude about it?

 

[sexysadie]

You've got every right to express your views. When you refuse to address any points anyone raises about them though, in a debate forum and just keep repeating the same thing over and over again, while getting an attitude at people, it's pointless and rather tiresome.

You only pop in to poke fun, what does that make you??

 

[Peter Parka]

You only pop in to poke fun, what does that make you??

I see, you can't hack having your views challenged and the only way you can answer that is to have a go at people. Why bother coming into a debate forum at all?

 

[sexysadie]

You're admitted you're close minded, why start getting attitude about it?

Omg...lol. I didn't say that, I was referring to what YOU said about ME. You say that I am closed minded.....my point is that if you won't budge to MY side of the debate, then doesn't that make you just as closed minded as you think I am?

Is that better? Are you able to understand what I meant now? Should I keep trying?

 

[sexysadie]

I see, you can't hack having your views challenged and the only way you can answer that is to have a go at people. Why bother coming into a debate forum at all?

:24: You think YOU challenge ME??? I dont' think so Peter......I don't see you adding to this thread at all....well, you're grabbing this opportunity to throw pot shots at me, that's about it...I suppose I shouldn't really expect anything more from you, should I?