physical proof that god doesn't exsist.

If he's thinking anything like me... While what that family must be going through is horrid he may be wondering wtf the thread title has to do with the thread subject matter.

First off, I'm sorry anyone suffers. Maybe the poster means that since God let this happen to her Aunt, there is no God... a common misperception of devoutly religious people (not accusing anyone of being devoutly religious) But don't blame God. The force we refer to as God does not guarantee that only good things happen to good people. Quite the contrary. We are here to experience a life, the good and the bad. The idea is we are all going to end up in heaven, and in the end all will be good.
 
I simply don't believe that it is proof that God doesn't exist. I understand that it sucks HUGELY, believe me, but it could have been even worse. While I can see the temptation to say "if there WAS a God, he wouldn't let this happen" there are just as many things you could look at and say "wow, there must be a God...how else could that happen!?"
 
i personally do not care if there is a super-entity ("God" or otherwise) or a collection of them.

i see no influence of their existence in my daily life (besides those who i feel have deluded themselves into believing there is one), but that does not mean they do not exist.

newton himself tried relinking the sciences and religion, and while an interesting effort, was wasted, as they can co-exist, but neither wishes to release control, so to speak, of some of their founding principles.

now, as to the situations being experienced by that family and their friends: yes, it is quite a tragedy. there are no other words to describe it.

however, that does not mean some higher being does not exist. it could mean that they do not exist, or it could mean he is trying to teach a lesson ['he' is a supposition, sexist as it appears, yes, but not intended to be sexist] to the family (although it appears they have enough to worry about besides a lesson) or maybe it is those around them that this entity is trying to enlighten.

either way, the situation sucks, yes. physical proof that god exists, no.

your 'proof' is a combination of emotions and preconceptions about such a higher being, but linking those concepts and emotions to this situation is not "allowed" in terms of the logical flow of reasoning, to arrive at the conclusion that it is 'physical proof' that [the] higher entity ['God' as it were].

of course, it could be argued that mathematics is abstract of physical existence, and the debate would be quite lively; however, the field of mathematics is based on just a few axioms (preconceptions) and *no* emotions.

in fact, anything emotional will negatively impact (or at least, from a first glance) any flow of logic or reasoning, unless that is the subject of the discourse. however, as this is not the case in this situation, it only damages the potential main point.

alas, therefore, your 'physical' proof that a meta-physical entity does not exist does not hold water. nor can it stand on the waves of logic and reason.
 
however, that does not mean some higher being does not exist. it could mean that they do not exist, or it could mean he is trying to teach a lesson ['he' is a supposition, sexist as it appears, yes, but not intended to be sexist] to the family (although it appears they have enough to worry about besides a lesson) or maybe it is those around them that this entity is trying to enlighten.eta-physical entity does not exist does not hold water. nor can it stand on the waves of logic and reason.

I prefer the "shit happens" theory. I don't believe in the traditional Christian view of God. But if there was the tradional God and the priority is to take care of his flock, if limited to the Earthly plain, he's done a shitty job of it.

However if you view the big picture (physical + spiritual) and being taken care of/ the reward may only be just allowing you the experience of living and improving yourself. If it means enduring a huge obstacle in your life, or even something that cuts your earthly life short, there is still an opportunity to gain something from the experience, painful as it might be.
 
Maybe it is just me but I don't think this was intended to be a debate about god being real or not.

I think it was to ask for thoughts and prayers.

As I am an Atheist the prayers part won't work but my thoughts are there and hope for the very best. Cancer sucks the big wazoo.


If the post was about asking for prayers, then it was a "below" in headwork to claim the prayer-receiver does not exist. I think it was an expression of anger. However even if there was no God, who is to say if a group of people wish/pray for something, it could not have an effect?

Your a conservative Athiest?? :eek
 
I prefer the "shit happens" theory. I don't believe in the traditional Christian view of God. But if there was the tradional God and the priority is to take care of his flock, if limited to the Earthly plain, he's done a shitty job of it.

However if you view the big picture (physical + spiritual) and being taken care of/ the reward may only be just allowing you the experience of living and improving yourself. If it means enduring a huge obstacle in your life, or even something that cuts your earthly life short, there is still an opportunity to gain something from the experience, painful as it might be.

"shit happens" whether or not the entity exists or not.

what you (or another person) takes from it is up to them.
 
If the post was about asking for prayers, then it was a "below" in headwork to claim the prayer-receiver does not exist. I think it was an expression of anger. However even if there was no God, who is to say if a group of people wish/pray for something, it could not have an effect?

Your a conservative Athiest?? :eek

I don't give a lot of credence to the title every time. The post was self explanatory. IMO

And yes not all conservatives are religious nuts. :D

I probably should have said I was libertarian. You know. The Ron Paul type of kook :D
 
I don't give a lot of credence to the title every time. The post was self explanatory. IMO

And yes not all conservatives are religious nuts. :D

I probably should have said I was libertarian. You know. The Ron Paul type of kook :D

You could have said you were a prick.

But that might be redundant. :D
 
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