physical proof that god doesn't exsist.

[darkcgi]

if everything was perfect then it would be boreing
when bad things happen to me I take it as a reminder to not for that they can go bad
and sometime someway they would be good again cause that was has always happend in the past
Im going through the roughest part of my life yet and I havent lost faith.
I have had new good things happen although the other bad things still exist.
If you want to be happy you cant give up hope

 

[Minor Axis]

if everything was perfect then it would be boreing
when bad things happen to me I take it as a reminder to not for that they can go bad
and sometime someway they would be good again cause that was has always happend in the past
Im going through the roughest part of my life yet and I havent lost faith.
I have had new good things happen although the other bad things still exist.
If you want to be happy you cant give up hope

It's called Life.

 

[Minor Axis]

Thats the key sentence here. Most Christians I've met have told me, if I don't repent and let God into my heart, I will burn in hell for all eternity. The bible is really all about picking and choosing. I suppose you don't believe in tossing stones on people if they work on the sabbath, and "thou shall not kill" is the way to go.

And as for praying, it clearly doesn't work. An example would be the eastern front of WWII. The Wehrmacht was almost entirely comprised of devout Christians, who certainly were praying for God to protect the fatherland. And yet, the Red Army, comprised mostly out of Atheists, beat back the Germans and invaded Berlin. Were was God then?

Maybe God did not approve of the German Empire during WWII? I really don't believe that "God" is in the business of answering prayers. Although when push comes to shove, I wish/pray for a desired income. It can't hurt. If 1 or 1000 or 1,000,000 people wished for something, who is to say it might not have an effect? The discussion would become, what is the mechanism- God or the SWGC (Spiritual Wish Granting Committee)?

 

[darkcgi]

I pray for a loving partner.
I pray for health of my family and all the poeple on earth.
I pray for anyone and everyone suffering.
I pray for money or at least the will to not worry about finances.
I have prayed to let god give me all the sins of the world so that everyone would go to heaven I would take their suffering unto my self and bare it.

 

[Tomperi]

Maybe God did not approve of the German Empire during WWII? I really don't believe that "God" is in the business of answering prayers. Although when push comes to shove, I wish/pray for a desired income. It can't hurt. If 1 or 1000 or 1,000,000 people wished for something, who is to say it might not have an effect? The discussion would become, what is the mechanism- God or the SWGC (Spiritual Wish Granting Committee)?

If God didn't approve of what the Third Reich was doing, why did he let ~7 million people perish in the holocaust? And why didn't he help crush the Viet-Cong or the Talibans?

 

[Jessica]

that is so true, if God existed why would he let us kill each other and....wait did he bring AIDs and all those terrible diseases to punish us? What's up with him? I pray to him and he never answers.

God doesnt exist.

 

[Minor Axis]

If God didn't approve of what the Third Reich was doing, why did he let ~7 million people perish in the holocaust? And why didn't he help crush the Viet-Cong or the Talibans?

I just answered your question about WWII Germans praying to God for deliverance. Just a guess, but whatever it is you want to call "God" does not intervene, at least not on a regular basis with the human goings-on of this Earth and he definitely does not reward good behavior at least not during our physical lives as per your examples and there are just too many cases of good "church-going" people having bad things happen to them and the opposite for bad people, correct?

This is a repeat statement on my part- shit happens. This is our lives to live. We make the Earth what it is. It is a learning experience especially if you believe we all move to a spiritual plane after we physically die. Hopefully it's an opportunity to improve ourselves and take that with us. Otherwise, frankly what is the point?

that is so true, if God existed why would he let us kill each other and....wait did he bring AIDs and all those terrible diseases to punish us? What's up with him? I pray to him and he never answers.

God doesnt exist.

No, most likely if he exists at all, he/she/it is nothing like you were taught growing up. As has been said previously, humans like to simplify things they don't understand with very low probability they'll get it right. Do you think Jesus is the Son of God? I'll concede it's possible, but I would not bet on it. Why should I?

Regarding the big picture, if you believe that your spirit continues on, what you experience during your life is just a nano-second compared to all eternity. It might really seem important and even horrible now, but in the big picture your life is just a moment with who knows how much significance?

 

[Tomperi]

Sooo... God created us, he's almighty, omnipresent and knows everything. Yet he doesn't give a shit what horrible things we do to each other? He's a pretty lousy father-figure if you ask me. And the he "rewards" us with eternal life. I'd say eternal life is a pretty horrible punishment, rather than a reward.

 

[Jessica]

Sooo... God created us, he's almighty, omnipresent and knows everything. Yet he doesn't give a shit what horrible things we do to each other? He's a pretty lousy father-figure if you ask me. And the he "rewards" us with eternal life. I'd say eternal life is a pretty horrible punishment, rather than a reward.

I totally agree :nod::nod:

 

[Minor Axis]

Sooo... God created us, he's almighty, omnipresent and knows everything.

That is an unknown. You must have me confused with one of the others in the forum. I never said or implied any of that.

Yet he doesn't give a shit what horrible things we do to each other? He's a pretty lousy father-figure if you ask me. And the he "rewards" us with eternal life. I'd say eternal life is a pretty horrible punishment, rather than a reward.

Well, if God is like the church describes him, our father in Heaven, then he would be a pretty lousy father figure IMO too. But why would you say eternal life is a pretty horrible punishment? Or are you saying that because humans treat each other poorly, who needs an eternity of it? The idea is that as we learn, we get and act better towards each other. But I'm not saying that's how it is at all.

 

[Peter Parka]

What proof have you got that we are not going to burn forever in hell and will have eternal life instead?

 

[Minor Axis]

What proof have you got that we are not going to burn forever in hell and will have eternal life instead?

Absolutely NONE. But when I consider the source of the story, why worry? What if you could do the most horrible things here on Earth and after you pass, you're still gonna end up in the same place as everyone else. And instead of burning punishment, you are made to contemplate your failures with all the spirits you wronged while on this Earth? But I'm not saying that is how it is, just a possibility as good as all the other guesses.

Why what do you think happens?

 

[Peter Parka]

I think we're worm food. Why? Because after considering the evidence, that's the most likely scenario by far. People just cant hack it because it's not what they want, I wanted everything and right now when I was a kid but did I get it? No. You dont get what you want and instead of living in a cloud cuckoo land, accept it, enjoy what you've got and stop being a damn pussy! Relatively speaking, of course.

 

[Tomperi]

Religion is a comfortable thought, it's nice to think theres something after the lives we live now, but like Peter said, wanting something, doesn't make it so.

And why is eternal life an punishment? Well the first 100 million years might be fun, but by then you've done everything there is to do, what will you do the next 100 million years? And the eternity after that?

 

[Dana]

I think these type of debates are absolutely USELESS... Ever heard that saying "There are two things you don't discuss with friends... Religion & Politics" or something along those lines. And you all seem to forget God and an afterlife were around way before the term religion was ever coined. So one can and should believe in a God and an afterlife and not need to get wrapped up in the religious cult like aspect of it all. All religion does is start holy wars as proof in the Middle East.

 

[Dana]

And for the record, I believe in life after death, reincarnation and all that "mumbo jumbo"

 

[BadBoy@TheWheel]

I lost my mother at 28 years old, she never got to hold her grandchildren. My second child diagnosed with Autism. To me, difficult times in our life aren't meant to dis-prove any existence. They are meant to remind us of our own existence.Alicia, I am very sorry to hear about what you're going through, and will keep you in my thoughts along with your family through this time.

 

[Minor Axis]

Religion is a comfortable thought, it's nice to think theres something after the lives we live now, but like Peter said, wanting something, doesn't make it so.

And why is eternal life an punishment? Well the first 100 million years might be fun, but by then you've done everything there is to do, what will you do the next 100 million years? And the eternity after that?

IMO, your primary mistake in this reply is thinking in human terms.

I think we're worm food. Why? Because after considering the evidence, that's the most likely scenario by far.

That is the problem, lack of evidence. Spirits, our spirits could exist, or maybe not. Personally I think it's a mistake to limit your consideration only to what you can see and touch. We know for a fact there is so much out there we can't see or touch. But again, we come up short on evidence and by "worm food", if you mean the Atheist view. Yes that is possible too.

 

[anathelia]

Returning to the original post, I apologize for what the family is going through. Sometimes when it rains, it pours. I will keep you all in my thoughts.


As to the other, has anyone ever considered the possibility that "god" is simply the eternal creator? That he created the universe and lets fate decide from there? I don't believe in miracles and I don't believe that God intervenes in your everyday life. If he did, there'd be no purpose to living. You could just do whatever you wanted to and everytime you strayed off the path, he'd just give you that friendly little nudge back in the right direction.

 

[Minor Axis]

As to the other, has anyone ever considered the possibility that "god" is simply the eternal creator? That he created the universe and lets fate decide from there?

That's possible. My hope is that someday (in each of our lives) the truth will be revealed, we will have the capacity to understand, and it will be a positive.

I don't believe in miracles and I don't believe that God intervenes in your everyday life. If he did, there'd be no purpose to living. You could just do whatever you wanted to and everytime you strayed off the path, he'd just give you that friendly little nudge back in the right direction.

Agreed.