Patriots In Exile Club

[Tim]

I love those e-mails, they are the definition of spin. They are always good to get the emotional people going, but never fully deliver on substance.

Carter created the department of energy to encompass many of the federal agencies already in existence to handle various aspects of U.S. energy policy including the Atomic Energy Commission.

The Department of Energy's overarching mission is to advance the national, economic, and energy security of the United States; to promote scientific and technological innovation in support of that mission; and to ensure the environmental cleanup of the national nuclear weapons complex. The Department's strategic goals to achieve the mission are designed to deliver results along five strategic themes:

Energy Security: Promoting America’s energy security through reliable, clean, and affordable energy

Nuclear Security: Ensuring America’s nuclear security

Scientific Discovery and Innovation: Strengthening U.S. scientific discovery, economic competitiveness, and improving quality of life through innovations in science and technology

Environmental Responsibility: Protecting the environment by providing a responsible resolution to the environmental legacy of nuclear weapons production

Management Excellence: Enabling the mission through sound management

But you're right, it's always fun to read those types of e-mail without knowing the facts. They are designed for the gullible... that's why they are always sent to conservatives. :24:

Now get back into exile, we'll let you know when it's ok to come out.

 

[Alien Allen]

I love those e-mails, they are the definition of spin. They are always good to get the emotional people going, but never fully deliver on substance.

Carter created the department of energy to encompass many of the federal agencies already in existence to handle various aspects of U.S. energy policy including the Atomic Energy Commission.

But you're right, it's always fun to read those types of e-mail without knowing the facts. They are designed for the gullible... that's why they are always sent to conservatives. :24:

Now get back into exile, we'll let you know when it's ok to come out.

You probably even agree with the crap you just posted. Getting a lot of bang for the buck aren't we :24:

 

[Tim]

No, you're right... I just reread that email and I find it offensive that we spend over $24 billion a year and employ 16,000 federal employees for the sole purpose of reducing our dependence on foreign oil. It doesn't seem we are doing a good job of that.

:smiley24:

 

[Alien Allen]

No, you're right... I just reread that email and I find it offensive that we spend over $24 billion a year and employ 16,000 federal employees for the sole purpose of reducing our dependence on foreign oil. It doesn't seem we are doing a good job of that.

:smiley24:

Now I don't know if you are agreeing or mocking me ?

It was a spin off and consolidation of what was the original Atomic Energy Commission which was started to ensure there was control over nuclear reactors for naval propulsion and nuclear weapons.

If you think it is a fine way to spend money and is not over bloated then oh well. Just seems like as with all other govt programs there are way too many people involved. One reason I was against having a homeland security department. Once something becomes a department it is destined to grow.

Point is that as far as its goal to reduce energy dependence it has been an abysmal failure. Unless the concept is to use up all the foreign oil first

 

[Tim]

I was mocking you

My point is this. The department of energy was NOT created to reduce our dependence on foreign oil. It's main goal in it's creation was to combine the multiple agencies under one umbrella department while maintaining our energy security. Ie. the strategic oil reserve and the protection of our nuclear facilities and materials. Are you saying that it's not important to have a federal agency who regulates our nuclear power while maintaining our security? To suggest that the department of energy spends as much as they do and employs as many as they do with the sole purpose of reducing our dependence on foreign oil is nothing more than dishonesty, and you know it.... but it makes for a good read on the internet, right?

 

[Alien Allen]

I was mocking you

My point is this. The department of energy was NOT created to reduce our dependence on foreign oil. It's main goal in it's creation was to combine the multiple agencies under one umbrella department while maintaining our energy security. Ie. the strategic oil reserve and the protection of our nuclear facilities and materials. Are you saying that it's not important to have a federal agency who regulates our nuclear power while maintaining our security? To suggest that the department of energy spends as much as they do and employs as many as they do with the sole purpose of reducing our dependence on foreign oil is nothing more than dishonesty, and you know it.... but it makes for a good read on the internet, right?

Does not take 16,000 people to oversee it. It brought two agencies it appears under the one umbrella with energy conservation being the focal point. Again I ask how is that working for ya. :nod:

However, the extended energy crisis of the 1970's soon demonstrated the need for unified energy organization and planning. The Department of Energy Organization Act brought the federal government's agencies and programs into a single agency.

Department of Energy - Origins

 

[Tim]

I think this says a lot about it.

from your link:

Over its two decade history, the Department has shifted its emphasis and focus as the needs of the nation have changed. During the late 1970's, the Department emphasized energy development and regulation. In the 1980's, nuclear weapons research, development, and production took a priority. Since the end of the Cold War, the Department has focused on environmental clean up of the nuclear weapons complex, nonproliferation and stewardship of the nuclear stockpile, energy efficiency and conservation, and technology transfer and industrial competitiveness. Today, the Department of Energy contributes to the future of the nation by ensuring our energy security, maintaining the safety and reliability of our nuclear stockpile, cleaning up the environment from the legacy of the Cold War, and developing innovations in science and technology.

 

[Alien Allen]

I think this says a lot about it.

from your link:

I left that out on purpose :24::24::24:

Still the department is over sized. Or are the majority over in Viet Nam looking for land mines. :24:

 

[BreakfastSurreal]

I agree that the republican party needs to throw it's social/moral conservatism aside and focus on governing and creating policies that are conservative financially and in terms of the amount or lack of government that we need in this country.

 

[Alien Allen]

I agree that the republican party needs to throw it's social/moral conservatism aside and focus on governing and creating policies that are conservative financially and in terms of the amount or lack of government that we need in this country.

When they dump the moral crap I might come back.

Until then I am staying a libertarian

I do not seem them dumping the religious component any time soon though. The morons think that is what got them elected. And the old guard still is in control.

 

[Minor Axis]

I was mocking you

My point is this. The department of energy was NOT created to reduce our dependence on foreign oil. It's main goal in it's creation was to combine the multiple agencies under one umbrella department while maintaining our energy security. Ie. the strategic oil reserve and the protection of our nuclear facilities and materials. Are you saying that it's not important to have a federal agency who regulates our nuclear power while maintaining our security? To suggest that the department of energy spends as much as they do and employs as many as they do with the sole purpose of reducing our dependence on foreign oil is nothing more than dishonesty, and you know it.... but it makes for a good read on the internet, right?

Reducing our dependance on foreign energy might be a good mandate for them, if they were effective at what they do... :smiley24:

 

[Alien Allen]

Did I hear it right. The Anointed One said that as a result of health care somebody declares bankruptcy every 30 seconds??

It was around 10 minutes before the hour give or take.

This fucker is pissing me off as he has totally fucked up tv tonite :24:

now I gotta reset some shit on my DVR

Damn mealy mouthed rat bastard

 

[BadBoy@TheWheel]

WE inhereited a defecit says the chosen one...And we shall fix it.....By giving away more money

:24:

 

[Accountable]

What's this "we" shit? He's talking to the people that spent the money! I guess he can claim HE inherited the deficit, since he wasn't in the senate long enough to do anything, but the rest of those guys were there from the beginning.

 

[Alien Allen]

Who would have ever thought Hillary would have been a FAR better president then this socialist.

Cradle to Grave baby

 

[Tim]

Did I hear it right. The Anointed One said that as a result of health care somebody declares bankruptcy every 30 seconds??

It was around 10 minutes before the hour give or take.

This fucker is pissing me off as he has totally fucked up tv tonite :24:

now I gotta reset some shit on my DVR

Damn mealy mouthed rat bastard

Yup, he said it.

Every 30 seconds in the United States someone files for bankruptcy in the aftermath of a serious health problem.

source...

Why is that so hard to believe? We have a totally fucked up health care system in this country. Greed has pushed it right over the edge and I'm glad someone is doing something about it.

 

[Alien Allen]

Yup, he said it.

source...

Why is that so hard to believe? We have a totally fucked up health care system in this country. Greed has pushed it right over the edge and I'm glad someone is doing something about it.

When something does not pass the smell test there usually is a reason.

If I read correctly during the 12 month period ending July 2008 which was the latest I could find there were
934,009 non business bankruptcies. Now I realize that the numbers will be higher for the time after that.

However the source you supplied references in part a 2005 memorandum or study as part of its reasoning.

Now lets assume that there was a bankruptcy every 30 seconds. That comes out to about 1,0512,00 if I am doing the math properly. So for this example the numbers do not equate and then that assumes all the bankruptcies are due to health.

More Bull Shit is all it is. Fear mongering at its best. Something the left always blames the right for doing. Guess it just is a matter of who is doing the listening.

 

[Tim]

Personal bankruptcies filed in the federal courts totaled 2,078,415 in 2005, up from 1,597,462 petitions filed in 2004, the office said in a statement on its Web site Friday.

That would explain the numbers

 

[Alien Allen]

That would explain the numbers

That is all old data

you can get it here.

if you do not have excel then open in MS spreadsheet

Bankruptcy Statistics

 

[Minor Axis]

When it comes to sub-prime loans, the MONUMENTAL amount of complicit fraud is mind boggling.