Pampered Prisoners

[OUZBnd]

Jesus, some of the crap I've been reading on here! Firstly, yes prison is a punnishment but are you interested in fucking with their heads so they are even more fucked up when they get out or do you want to rehabilitate them so they can get out with some hope of getting a job and a life? If prisoners when they released are fucked up in the head and still have no skills to get a job then don't be suprised when the rob you to make some money!
I don't what your prisons are like or where you get views of a cushy lifesyle but let me give you the real rundown of what it's like over here. You are forced to share a tiny cell with one or two other prisoners, you get no say who they are, they could be some complete wanker or be really dirty and smelly. In your cell you have a tiny, high up on the wall window with bars, sometimes there is no window so you freeze your arse of in the middle of winter. You are forced to wear crappy prison uniform, usually ill fitting and with cigarette holes and other crap in it. Unless you work, you get £2 a week for cigarettes and other luxuory and are forced to spend between 22 and 23 hours a day locked in your cell. If you work it is doing crappy mundane jobs like picking up excrement that some dirty prisoners throw out of their windows or maybe sitting at a desk stuffing things into plastic bags. You get 1 hour exercise which is just walking round some yard. Food is nutricianal but very basic. You now have a tiny telly in your cell but up untill a couple of years ago you didn't. Also up till a few years ago youdidn't have a proper toilet, just a bucket which you got to clean out once a day. During the day yopu used to have to sit in the cell which would smell of shit. If you misbehave in some way, more than likely you will be punished by being locked in a room for 30 days with nothing except a matress, blanket, pillow and toilet.
Now does anyone think that really sounds like an easy life? Is it any wonder that people who go to prison are more likely to re offend seeing the've had that fucking up their mind?
I think too many of you believe what you read in biased media articles and on the telly.

Personally I think all that is great and no sympathy will come from me. Prison is used as a form of punishment. Even kids are smart enough to realize that when they do wrong, they get punished. If they don't want to get punished, then they shouldn't do wrong. IMO, most crime is due to lazyness. The rest of the world is out working their ass off to make ends meat. When a crime occurs by someone we brush it off as "people are a product of their environment." I agree, we are. But that doesn't change the fact that EVERYONE can work hard and earn money if they attempt to. And if they don't and decide to do it the legal way, then they deserve punishment.

 

[Peter Parka]

Thats right, I was just comenting on comments by people and the media who are talking out their arse because they have never set foot in a prison, it's far from a holiday camp where prisoners live in the lap of luxuory. It's supposed to be punishment but there also need to be minor incentives, basic human rights and education so they can live an honest life when they get out. Its pointless simply locking people in a cell for a few years then chucking them back out on the street without anything being different.

 

[dt3]

Jesus, some of the crap I've been reading on here! Firstly, yes prison is a punnishment but are you interested in fucking with their heads so they are even more fucked up when they get out or do you want to rehabilitate them so they can get out with some hope of getting a job and a life? If prisoners when they released are fucked up in the head and still have no skills to get a job then don't be suprised when the rob you to make some money!
I don't what your prisons are like or where you get views of a cushy lifesyle but let me give you the real rundown of what it's like over here. You are forced to share a tiny cell with one or two other prisoners, you get no say who they are, they could be some complete wanker or be really dirty and smelly. In your cell you have a tiny, high up on the wall window with bars, sometimes there is no window so you freeze your arse of in the middle of winter. You are forced to wear crappy prison uniform, usually ill fitting and with cigarette holes and other crap in it. Unless you work, you get £2 a week for cigarettes and other luxuory and are forced to spend between 22 and 23 hours a day locked in your cell. If you work it is doing crappy mundane jobs like picking up excrement that some dirty prisoners throw out of their windows or maybe sitting at a desk stuffing things into plastic bags. You get 1 hour exercise which is just walking round some yard. Food is nutricianal but very basic. You now have a tiny telly in your cell but up untill a couple of years ago you didn't. Also up till a few years ago youdidn't have a proper toilet, just a bucket which you got to clean out once a day. During the day yopu used to have to sit in the cell which would smell of shit. If you misbehave in some way, more than likely you will be punished by being locked in a room for 30 days with nothing except a matress, blanket, pillow and toilet.
Now does anyone think that really sounds like an easy life? Is it any wonder that people who go to prison are more likely to re offend seeing the've had that fucking up their mind?
I think too many of you believe what you read in biased media articles and on the telly.

Nobody in this thread has been against educational programs in prison. I think we can all agree that it makes sense togive them an opportunity to better themselves. I don't think, however, that they should be allowed to have internet and cable tv. Basic TV, fine, I can deal with that. But what kind of punishment is it to have 100 channels/internet and nothing to do all day (like some US prisons)? Sounds pretty good to me.

 

[Peter Parka]

Nobody in this thread has been against educational programs in prison. I think we can all agree that it makes sense togive them an opportunity to better themselves. I don't think, however, that they should be allowed to have internet and cable tv. Basic TV, fine, I can deal with that. But what kind of punishment is it to have 100 channels/internet and nothing to do all day (like some US prisons)? Sounds pretty good to me.

I agree but from what I've seen there is none of these things in there.

 

[All Else Failed]

Personally I think all that is great and no sympathy will come from me. Prison is used as a form of punishment. Even kids are smart enough to realize that when they do wrong, they get punished. If they don't want to get punished, then they shouldn't do wrong. IMO, most crime is due to lazyness. The rest of the world is out working their ass off to make ends meat. When a crime occurs by someone we brush it off as "people are a product of their environment." I agree, we are. But that doesn't change the fact that EVERYONE can work hard and earn money if they attempt to. And if they don't and decide to do it the legal way, then they deserve punishment.

The root of most crime is poverty. Most people in poverty cannot get out of it that easily. There are many social and economic and even racial barriers that prevent much progression.

 

[OUZBnd]

And what's the root cause of poverty? I'm tired of generalizations. Sure we don't all start on an equal playing field, but that certainly doesn't mean it's not possible for the less fortunate to succeed with hard work.

 

[UncleBacon]

a product of your enviroment to me is a crock of shit....everyone has a chance at the american dream some other may have to work harder for it but it can still be achieved...its up to the person if they choose to go after it or not...all it takes is motivation and not feeling sorry for yourself...I know people that grew up in shitty nieghborhoods and are now making 6 figures because they weren't a product of their enviroment

 

[raubin]

If you are banged up for what ever reason you should not have the luxuries in life that should be taken away from prisoners. Doing time should be exactly that, not having things to waste the time away, if it is true what they have inside it is completely unfair as some households would not even have them.

 

[All Else Failed]

And what's the root cause of poverty? I'm tired of generalizations. Sure we don't all start on an equal playing field, but that certainly doesn't mean it's not possible for the less fortunate to succeed with hard work.

The root of poverty in America is the capitalist system and unequal distribution of money. There are others but those are the main causes. Capitalism NEEDS poverty to sustain itself.

Its certainly possible for the disadvantaged to become successful, but we go by the western model of what we think success is. Money and power. But, it is not always the case that the poor can just "Work harder!" to pull themselves out of poverty. There are many things barring them.

 

[All Else Failed]

a product of your enviroment to me is a crock of shit....everyone has a chance at the american dream some other may have to work harder for it but it can still be achieved...its up to the person if they choose to go after it or not...all it takes is motivation and not feeling sorry for yourself...I know people that grew up in shitty nieghborhoods and are now making 6 figures because they weren't a product of their enviroment

Were you ever in real poverty? Are you a minority? If not, you can't really make these assumptions about obtaining the "American dream" without standing in their shoes. Yes, there are success stories, but they are outweighed by the ones who weren't because of the severe social boundaries that remain.

 

[dt3]

The root of poverty in America is the capitalist system and unequal distribution of money. There are others but those are the main causes. Capitalism NEEDS poverty to sustain itself.

And Communism looks great on paper but can't manage to be successful in real life. I'll take the lesser of these two evils any day.

 

[Boomer]

I'll take a hoagie and a cup of sleepy time tea. *odd smile*

 

[sundvlfn88]

In that case can I get a beer and peanuts while I watch the game on the big screen in my cell.

 

[All Else Failed]

And Communism looks great on paper but can't manage to be successful in real life. I'll take the lesser of these two evils any day.

Who says the only alternative to capitalism is communism? Also, how do you define "successful?" Material gain?

 

[alleycat]

nuke and pave...
any sentence more than a year should immediately be changed to death penalty.

 

[Sneakiecat]

I define a successful government as one that can provide for its people and doesn't colaspe like most communistic governments have.

 

[All Else Failed]

I define a successful government as one that can provide for its people and doesn't colaspe like most communistic governments have.

That is success in a stability sense. I'm talking about HOW the government provides and how it deals with people and foreign relations.

 

[All Else Failed]

nuke and pave...
any sentence more than a year should immediately be changed to death penalty.

Is this some sort of sick joke?

 

[alleycat]

nope. are you?

 

[All Else Failed]

nope. are you?

So you would basically want mass killings to take place? Are you willing to kill innocent people too? There are certainly those in the prison system right now...even women?