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I understand why they don't quit, job security in case they lose. Obama did make some key votes while campaigning. I think Dole quit because the presidential campaign would be his last hurrah, one way or the other.
Alien Allen
Froggy the Prick
sure she quit but that should give the Lt. Gov. a leg up on the next election unless the person does a lousy job. If she was not gonna run again then it probably benefits the party in Alaska to have her quit now. As to her ambitions of course quitting would be used against her. And I do not believe she is a stupid person and realizes it. If she has further political ambitions she can get a more positive spin on her views by getting a tv show. That would put her on a national stage in a regular basis with her being able to better control the spin. Then she can judge whether to run for office again or just stay on tv.
The damage is done. She will have this albatross around her neck for a long time. Palin's behavior over the last 10 months now looks very erratic. It may have been forgiven had she just buckled down to being governor of Alaska, but now, it just looks like a steady descent resulting in her weird announcement. No sitting governor up an quits their office without giving a clear and compelling reason, which she did not.
You, or someone on this thread, recognized I am no fan of Palin, I am not. I'm just giving my opinion on how this looks from the other side of the aisle.
Alien Allen
Froggy the Prick
If one did not support her then one will pay attention to all the negative stuff about her. I have only followed politics pretty closely for about 25 years but in that time I have never seen anybody who has been continually hounded before or after an election loss like her. Some of it is earned but a good deal of it is just bullshit that has nothing to do with substance.
She did give a reason. You just either ignored it or did not accept it. She said she would be a lame duck since she did not plan on seeking another term. Given that would the Lt. Gov. not be in a better position to get elected as the sitting gov? I grant you this is probably unprecedented and can be viewed as giving up. But strategically it probably is a smart decision for the party. And if it is giving up then what is she giving up on? She probably has accomplished what she set out to do. Is there something I am missing??
Usually, it is the case, when one loses a national election, they go off to lick their wounds and stay away from cameras and feuds with comedians. Look at McCain. Once he lost the nomination in 2000 and then the election in 2008, we hardly hear a thing about him. Gore, retreated for well over a year. Dole never re-emerged.
That is all in contrast to Palin. She has actively sought out the cameras and the spotlight. She should have gone back to Alaska to focus on running the state while boning up on facts and policy. No, the drama has been ceaseless and she has fed "the media elites" red meat.
I'm sorry, I disagree about the Lt. Governor motivation. She quit rather than fight to do the work Alaskans voted her for her to do. Lame ducks stay in office all the time. It's the equivalent of taking her ball and going home because the kids won't play with her. What goal do you think she accomplished?
Minor Axis
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She probably has accomplished what she set out to do? Please, don't sound like Fox News.
Oh, maybe all lame duck politicians should resign, but they don't because their job is not finished until their term expires...
Alien Allen
Froggy the Prick
Give me some examples where she has gone out of her way to seek out the press recently? The press was enamored with here and they kept this all alive. What would you expect her to do. Say no comment all the time? Then you would be accusing her of having nothing intelligent to say so she decided to shut up.
You do not see the right continuing to bring her up. It is coming from the press and those on the left.
You do not see the right continuing to bring her up. It is coming from the press and those on the left.
Alien Allen
Froggy the Prick
Ok then tell me what kind of condition is Alaska in currently compared to other states. I have no idea as I do not follow the stories about her. But you liberals are fixated so maybe you can tell me.She probably has accomplished what she set out to do? Please, don't sound like Fox News.
Oh, maybe all lame duck politicians should resign, but they don't because their job is not finished until their term expires...
The feud with Letterman. I don't think she should have responded in the first place. If she felt she had to, she could have constructed a devastating statement, based on what he said, not what she implied he did. It would have set him back on his heels and then she could have been done with it. Instead, she went out of her way to keep the drama ongoing to play the victim.
The cartoon/picture of Trig, with a radio host's pic superimposed over his face. That was nothing more than any other politician is subjected to, but again, she chose to ramp up the drama.
When she places herself in the media with these ridiculous antics, she is a valid topic of discussion. She and the GOP cannot have it both ways.
Minor Axis
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But I'm a liberal-leaning-moderate so I don't pay attention.But you liberals are fixated so maybe you can tell me.
Regardless, last I heard Alaska was one of the few (only?) states that give their citizens rebates based on oil dividends. But I also heard that N. Dakota may join them in that practice, due to the huge oil deposit and state surplus there.SARA RAN AWAY-A, SARA RAN AWAY-A!
Alien Allen
Froggy the Prick
It was absurd.
The liberals still kept piling on.
Another silly thing to find fault with her.
If you have kids I bet you would not have let that slide.
Oh and I suppose the idiot who start it did not go out of his way to end it when she complained. Letterman is just as guilty of dragging this out.
It was absurd.
The liberals still kept piling on.
Another silly thing to find fault with her.
If you have kids I bet you would not have let that slide.
Oh and I suppose the idiot who start it did not go out of his way to end it when she complained. Letterman is just as guilty of dragging this out.
Not silly in the least. A serious politician, someone who has the game necessary to deal with the unpleasantness of the political atmosphere, would never have given so much air to that fire. It gives us clues, as does her resignation, as to how she handles adversity. The "troopergate" incident was another. Palin lacked accumen and foresight in dealing with all of it. I don't want someone who is so thin skinned and reactionary with their finger near the button or the ability to respond to make a bad international or domestic situation worse.
What did Bill Clinton do when Chelsea was the subject of a bad joke by McCain? I honestly don't recall, but whatever it was, it wasn't headline grabbing nor resulted in a tit-for-tat in public.
Letterman is a comedian. It's his thing to draw out absurdities in public.
Alien Allen
Froggy the Prick
The press did not run with the story obviously if McCain said something because I do not even recall it. The story with Letterman was blown up and put front and center by the press pretty much demanding she respond in some fashion. But you will not see that.
Do you think it was fair game to have claims out there that her youngest was not hers but was her daughters??
How did she handle that one? Do you recall her response? I do not recall one so I guess she somehow missed that opportunity to act like a loon eh??
Do you think it was fair game to have claims out there that her youngest was not hers but was her daughters??
How did she handle that one? Do you recall her response? I do not recall one so I guess she somehow missed that opportunity to act like a loon eh??
The press did not run with the story obviously if McCain said something because I do not even recall it. The story with Letterman was blown up and put front and center by the press pretty much demanding she respond in some fashion. But you will not see that.
Do you think it was fair game to have claims out there that her youngest was not hers but was her daughters??
How did she handle that one? Do you recall her response? I do not recall one so I guess she somehow missed that opportunity to act like a loon eh??
You don't recall McCain's joke about Chelsea?
"Why is Chelsea Clinton so ugly? Because her father is Janet Reno."
McCain apologized to the Clintons. But more recently, McCain said on Fox News, "You know, the French remind me a little bit of an aging actress of the 1940s who is still trying to dine out on her looks but doesn't have the face for it."
McCain's Out-of-Control Anger: Does He Have the Temperament to Be President?
She repsonded to it because John Ziegler, a conservative radio host asked her about it. That is what spurred her initial response.McCain apologized to the Clintons. But more recently, McCain said on Fox News, "You know, the French remind me a little bit of an aging actress of the 1940s who is still trying to dine out on her looks but doesn't have the face for it."
McCain's Out-of-Control Anger: Does He Have the Temperament to Be President?
I think it was atrocious to suggest Trig was not hers but her daughter's. She didn't rise to that bait and I commend her for it.
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After listening to her statement yesterday, I realized how grating I too found her voice. Her inflections are like spikes in my ears. What a poor sports reporter she would have been (her original career goal). No voice modulation or ability to phrase.
What Bill Clinton did when he was in office was quietly warn all media (using his pit bull Rahm Emmanuel as the mouthpiece) that Chelsea was off limits. They were bluntly told that writing/printing/reporting anything about her would result in being barred from the White House press corps, Air Force One and other Washington connections. Any derogatory press about Chelsea would lead to "a living hell" for any news organization that dared go down that path. (* My source: I worked for Cox Media during all the years of the Clinton White House. It was commonly discussed among the media)
How come I never hear him making fun of McCain, Hillary,Gore, Kerry or other previous candidates? Letterman is a vocal partisan who makes no attempt to hide his loathe for all things Republican. It's also his thing to bait the opposition party whenever possiible.
Are we discussing the press or comedians? McCain is neither and he made the joke in 1998 while Clinton was president. Clinton, wisely, it would seem, publicly ignored it. What a sitting president can do to control the press, as opposed to what a candidate can, are two different issues.
As for Letterman and McCain, did you miss last year when McCain lied to skip out on an appearance on Letterman so he could be interviewed upstair at the same moment by Couric?
Of there is this from September 2008. If McCain were to poke his head up like Palin, I'm sure there would be something more current but since he's pretty keep to himself these days, nothing more recent that I could easily find.
Letterman's McCain Top 10 List | Show Tracker | Los Angeles Times
The Top Ten Questions People are Asking The John McCain Campaign
#10 "I just contributed to your campaign – how do I get a refund?"
#9 "It’s Sarah Palin – does this mean I’m pars’dent?"
#8 "Can’t you solve this by selling some of your houses?"
#7 "This is Clay Aiken. Is McCain single?"
#6 "Do you still think the fundamentals of our economy are strong, Genius?"
#5 "Are you doing all of this just to get out of going on Letterman?"
#4 "What would Matlock do?"
#3 "Hillary here – my schedule is free Friday night."
#2 "Is this just an excuse to catch up on napping?"
#1 "This is President Bush – what’s all this trouble with the economy?"
#10 "I just contributed to your campaign – how do I get a refund?"
#9 "It’s Sarah Palin – does this mean I’m pars’dent?"
#8 "Can’t you solve this by selling some of your houses?"
#7 "This is Clay Aiken. Is McCain single?"
#6 "Do you still think the fundamentals of our economy are strong, Genius?"
#5 "Are you doing all of this just to get out of going on Letterman?"
#4 "What would Matlock do?"
#3 "Hillary here – my schedule is free Friday night."
#2 "Is this just an excuse to catch up on napping?"
#1 "This is President Bush – what’s all this trouble with the economy?"
What has Palin done to "poke her head up?" She's a sitting Governor. Like the sitting President you adored so much, shouldn't her family be afforded the same level of respect and kept off limits? Or is her family fair game just because you don't like her?
So what you're saying is that when Letterman insults her family - unprovoked, she deserves it, and should just take it. If she responds - then she's just "putting herself in the spotlight" - which in turn opens her up for more ridicule because she "poked her head up." Your logic is very confusing.
Out of curiosity - I wonder how people would have responded if Bill O Reilly had cracked a joke about Melia Obama getting "knocked up" by a stranger at a basketball game?
So what you're saying is that when Letterman insults her family - unprovoked, she deserves it, and should just take it. If she responds - then she's just "putting herself in the spotlight" - which in turn opens her up for more ridicule because she "poked her head up." Your logic is very confusing.
Out of curiosity - I wonder how people would have responded if Bill O Reilly had cracked a joke about Melia Obama getting "knocked up" by a stranger at a basketball game?
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