Occupy Oakland Raids

[All Else Failed]

Whatever man, I'm not interested in this discussion anymore since I have said what I wanted to say. We have also massively derailed the thread.

 

[retro]

Game, set, and yes... Match.

Thanks.

 

[All Else Failed]

Thanks for what? if you think this is some sort of victory you need to stop masturbating over yourself.

 

[Johnfromokc]

anarchy may not be what the average protester is about but it sure as hell is what Adbusters is about and they IMO were the driving force behind OWS.

What fucking bullshit. You have no clue what Adbusters is all about. More cranial rectumitus.

You keep saying stupid shit like this but never provide any evidence to support your claim - you are either completely dense or are intentionally attempting to mislead.

There seems to be a lot of sheep that have fallen in line when you look at many of the signs displayed.

The sheep I see are people like you who keep posting this ridiculous shit repeatedly as if it will eventually become true if you repeat it enough.

 

[retro]

Thanks for what? if you think this is some sort of victory you need to stop masturbating over yourself.

Masturbating over myself? Hardly. Nice try though.

 

[All Else Failed]

Good job on understanding phrases.

 

[anathelia]

Game, set, and yes... Match.

Thanks.

Just because someone decided they didn't want to continue playing Godwin's Law with this thread doesn't mean you won. Discussions aren't meant to be won.

 

[Accountable]

That'd be funnier if it were true.
All 3 of those happened because they had gov't assistance, not ignorance.

 

[Johnfromokc]

That'd be funnier if it were true.
All 3 of those happened because they had gov't assistance, not ignorance.

That's not an entirely accurate statement - that or i missed your meaning. Are you saying lack of government oversight (deregulation) is the same as government assistance?

Nah...it's accurate. Those corporations screwed their customers simply because there was no regulation preventing them from doing it. That and a few billion in lobby money to buy politicians and judges and look what happened.

And - Remember the TEA Partiers on TV with the signs that read "Keep the government out of my Medicare"?

It's on the money. One thing is certain - even less regulation and oversight damned sure would not have prevented it.

 

[Tim]

Proper government oversight would have never allowed any of these corporations to get too big to fail.

 

[Alien Allen]

Proper government oversight would have never allowed any of these corporations to get too big to fail.

That is true

The issue is how to accomplish that.

One side seems to think expanding govt is the answer

Which I would argue does nothing to address the problem

Take a look at tax evasion for example. The IRS is huge and has powers that make most shudder. Is the answer to expand the IRS or make compliance easier and more transparent?

 

[Johnfromokc]

So much for the "Get a job" parrots. This young Marine is a hard worker spending his off time working for a cause in which he believes while the nay-saying asshats sit in front of their televisions and radios repeating what their favorite anti-OWS talk show host tells them to.

http://www.fox23news.com/news/state...nights-at-protest/I8QA6twk2EyLZI9d0nZVYw.cspx

Injured vet spent days at work, nights at protest


By TERRY COLLINS and JASON DEAREN
Associated Press

OAKLAND, Calif. (AP) - The Iraq War veteran injured in clashes between police and anti-Wall Street protesters felt so strongly about economic inequality that he wanted to do something to change it, his roommate said Thursday.

Scott Olsen, 24, joined the protests as he worked his day job as a network engineer and left his apartment each night to sleep alongside protesters in San Francisco and Oakland, Calif., Keith Shannon said.



Olsen apparently suffered a fractured skull Tuesday during the clashes.

It's not known exactly what type of object struck Olsen or who might have thrown it. The group Iraq Veterans Against the War said officers were responsible for his injury.

Oakland police Chief Howard Jordan said officials will investigate whether officers used excessive force.

Olsen has become a rallying cry, with demonstrators in New York City marching on Wednesday night in support of their counterparts in Oakland and a movement website declaring: "We are all Scott Olsen."

Another round of vigils was being organized Thursday.

Olsen, who is originally from Onalaska, Wis., served two tours of duty in Iraq, makes a good living at a San Francisco software company and had a hillside apartment in a suburb that overlooks San Francisco Bay.

And yet, Shannon said, Olsen felt strongly about the wealth disparity between the rich and everyone else.

"He felt you shouldn't wait until something is affecting you to get out and do something about it," said Shannon, who served in Iraq with Olsen.

Shannon said his roommate felt the anti-Wall Street movement had a chance to create real change.

So each night, he would go out to the tent camps that have sprung up over the past month in cities as the movement spread to protest economic inequality and what they see as corporate greed.

Shannon said Olsen usually called with his whereabouts.

On Tuesday night, Olsen had planned to be in San Francisco, but changed course after his veteran's group decided to go to Oakland to support the protesters there after police cleared an encampment outside city hall.

"I think it was a last minute thing," he said. "He didn't think about it."

Joshua Shepherd, 27, a Navy veteran who was standing nearby when Olsen got struck, said he didn't know what hit him. "It was like a war zone," he said.

Then there was a scramble and he couldn't clearly see the rush of folks who went to Olsen's aid.

A video posted on YouTube showed Olsen being carried by other protesters through the tear gas, his face bloodied. People shout at him: "What's your name? What's your name?" Olsen, however, just stares back.

Shepherd said it's a cruel irony that Olsen is fighting for his life in the country that he fought to protect.

"He was over there protecting the rights and freedoms of America and he comes home, exercises his "freedoms" and, it's here, where he's nearly fatally wounded," Shepherd said.

A hospital spokesman said Olsen was upgraded to fair condition and moved into an intensive care unit on Thursday. His uncle said his parents were flying in from Wisconsin to be with him.

 

[Johnfromokc]

Proper government oversight would have never allowed any of these corporations to get too big to fail.

 

[All Else Failed]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGL-Ex1CD1c

 

[All Else Failed]

PS: http://dailycaller.com/2011/11/02/n...treet-protesters-live-in-luxury/?t=1320234376

 

[anathelia]

lol @ "why don't they quit? walmart doesn't hold a gun to their head"....

people have nowhere to work...what do you expect? Companies like walmart get away with treating their employees like crap because most americans have nowhere else to go thanks to the lack of jobs.

Oh how nice it must be to sit in your cushy CEO job and act like you know what it's like to be the average American.

I don't mind the guy, I don't mind the fact that people who work hard for their money like a CEO make a lot of it. But they can't act like they get what this economy is doing to people right now.

I enjoyed listening to the conversations, but I had to laugh at that comment.

 

[Tim]

You have to dismiss just about everything he says until all of the large corporations are broken up into thousands of smaller companies that allow competition. Until that time, the corporations will dictate wages, benefits and just about everything else.

 

[All Else Failed]

people have nowhere to work

There are plenty of places to work besides Wal-Mart.

Not that I don't think Wal-Mart has engaged in some questionable business practices, but in the end he's right.

 

[anathelia]

There are plenty of places to work besides Wal-Mart.

Not that I don't think Wal-Mart has engaged in some questionable business practices, but in the end he's right.

Really? My dad just got a job offer today after looking for work constantly for the last three years.

Clearly, there are so many available jobs right now.

My statement was that companies get away with treating their employees like shit because there aren't many options out there. Obviously, walmart is not the only place in the country that's hiring, but not many people have better options, AEF. Be realistic and don't act like anyone can just walk down the street and get five job offers a day. It doesn't work that way.

 

[All Else Failed]

Okay and that is your dad's situation, not everyone's. I'm guessing the job isn't at Wal-Mart either.

Point is, you don't HAVE TO work there.

Be realistic and don't act like anyone can just walk down the street and get five job offers a day. It doesn't work that way.

I know this. I wasn't saying that at all.