New Jersey to Ban Death Penalty

[All Else Failed]

Alright then. What if you kidnap someone and hold them against their will until you're caught and arrested. You go to jail, where you are held against your will. By your definition, that's hypocritical.

Let the kidnappers go! The best way to punish them is let them be free! We're no better than a kidnapper if we hold them against their will!

No, don't be ridiculous. A kidnapper usually kidnaps for a reason, which is against the law. We put him away for breaking the law, which isn't kidnapping when you consider that he gets to go through due process to appeal to the courts, he has a fair chance, which he didn't give to his victims. That isn't hypocritical.

 

[dt3]

No, don't be ridiculous. A kidnapper usually kidnaps for a reason, which is against the law. We put him away for breaking the law, which isn't kidnapping when you consider that he gets to go through due process to appeal to the courts, he has a fair chance, which he didn't give to his victims. That isn't hypocritical.

You're being ridiculous. A murderer usually murders for a reason, which is against the law. We kill him for breaking the law, which isn't murder when you consider that he gets to go through due process to appeal to the courts, he has a fair chance, which he didn't give to his victims. That isn't hypocritical.

You make it sound like murderers don't get due process or appeals. That's just absurd.

 

[All Else Failed]

Oh but mental state, and CULPABLE MENTAL STATE has to be proven to obtain the death penalty. Statistically you have a better chance of landing somebody with life in prison than death. It is not an easy case.

You make it sound like the death penalty is being handed down to traffic violaters.

Hey, you have to make room for more inmates somehow, I say the death penalty helps that. Besides we all want more prisons....Just not in our back yards right?

No, I'm not. But the death penalty is overused in various states.


If you want more room in prisons, we should make more rehabilitation programs for prisoners who can be rehabilitated. Oh, and how about legalizing marijuana so that we don't put people in jail for a fucking harmless plant? To suggest we should use death as some sort of archaic assembly line to clear out cells for more criminals is pretty unethical.

 

[All Else Failed]

You're being ridiculous. A murderer usually murders for a reason, which is against the law. We kill him for breaking the law, which isn't murder when you consider that he gets to go through due process to appeal to the courts, he has a fair chance, which he didn't give to his victims. That isn't hypocritical.

You make it sound like murderers don't get due process or appeals. That's just absurd.

Not really, since most murder cases are so biased against the murderer he never has a chance in court. Its different with lower crimes such as kidnapping. Murderers get chances at appeals, but really, no court is going to let too many serial killers go, the due process is hardly even there for them.

Again, the thought that killing someone back for killing is nonsensical. We become murders for condoning murder through our own legal system.

 

[UncleBacon]

People murder for different reasons, whether its hate, passion, or due to a mental condition. Their motivation shouldn't matter though when considering the punishment.

What I say is not "bleeding heart". Its pointing out the hypocrisy. Think about it:

"He killed a man! How awful! So lets kill him back to prove that killing is wrong!"


See how ridiculous that is? All killing does it beget more violence, and more violence seeps into our society. Lets deal with things WITHOUT violence, and maybe, just maybe we can prove that we can deal with things in America without knocking heads off and leave them to roll about on our flawed court system floors.

yeah lets give the murderers a big hug and pat on the back and some positive encouragement letting him know how did a good job

 

[All Else Failed]

yeah lets give the murderers a big hug and pat on the back and some positive encouragement letting him know how did a good job

hey weird, no one is suggesting that.

Frankly, it disturbs me a bit that you would WANT more violence in our legal system.

 

[dt3]

Not really, since most murder cases are so biased against the murderer he never has a chance in court. Its different with lower crimes such as kidnapping. Murderers get chances at appeals, but really, no court is going to let too many serial killers go, the due process is hardly even there for them.

Again, the thought that killing someone back for killing is nonsensical. We become murders for condoning murder through our own legal system.

This is the most absurd thing I've seen you post to date. To suggest that kidnapping is treated any less severely than murder is downright pathetic. You're assuming courts don't treat murderer's appeals fairly compared to kidnappers, but you have no proof to back that up. And to suggest that a court is more likely to release a kidnapper that a serial killer is ridiculous, too. This post doesn't even deserve a response. It's pure conjecture on your part because you can't come up with a reasonable response.

 

[UncleBacon]

No, I'm not. But the death penalty is overused in various states.


If you want more room in prisons, we should make more rehabilitation programs for prisoners who can be rehabilitated. Oh, and how about legalizing marijuana so that we don't put people in jail for a fucking harmless plant? To suggest we should use death as some sort of archaic assembly line to clear out cells for more criminals is pretty unethical.

if you look at statistics most criminals that go to prison don't get reabilitated...they go back to prison....rehab is not working....bump it up a notch

 

[All Else Failed]

This is the most absurd thing I've seen you post to date. To suggest that kidnapping is treated any less severely than murder is downright pathetic. You're assuming courts don't treat murderer's appeals fairly compared to kidnappers, but you have no proof to back that up. And to suggest that a court is more likely to release a kidnapper that a serial killer is ridiculous, too. This post doesn't even deserve a response. It's pure conjecture on your part because you can't come up with a reasonable response.

In a legal standpoint, murder is much more serious than kidnapping. I think they are both equally vial and detestable, but thats just how it works in our system. Yes, I am suggesting they aren't treated as fairly, you can see that in past major murder cases where whatever appeals were made they probably weren't even considered.




Lets get things straight, all of us disagree with murder, kidnapping etc etc....we just disagree on how it should be handled.

 

[Peter Parka]

Hmmm, saw a program about this once and it was pretty much showing that money talks if you want to avoid the death penalty. The majority of people who end up on death row are poor and ended up there because they couldn't afford decent lawyers while people who could afford them end up getting life instead. That seems very wrong that the decision as to whether you live or die ends up being based on how rich you are!

 

[All Else Failed]

if you look at statistics most criminals that go to prison don't get reabilitated...they go back to prison....rehab is not working....bump it up a notch

should we start killing people who get sent to prison for getting caught with minor things such as pot if they are repeat offenders?


Also, the rehabilitation program in America is laughable. it needs to be worked on.

 

[Thebest]

Hmmm, saw a program about this once and it was pretty much showing that money talks if you want to avoid the death penalty. The majority of people who end up on death row are poor and ended up there because they couldn't afford decent lawyers while people who could afford them end up getting life instead. That seems very wrong that the decision as to whether you live or die ends up being based on how rich you are!

I'd rather die than get life in prison.

Seriously. I'm not gonna be the one dropping the soap for the rest of my life.:ninja

 

[All Else Failed]

actually, the mere fact that innocent people have been put to death that were really proven to be innocent later on, should be reason to end capital punishment.

 

[Peter Parka]

I'd rather die than get life in prison.

Seriously. I'm not gonna be the one dropping the soap for the rest of my life.:ninja

Exactly! So which side of the argument here has the biggest case for being a bleeding heart!

 

[Thebest]

actually, the mere fact that innocent people have been put to death that were really proven to be innocent later on, should be reason to end capital punishment.

Or it could just be another example of how the U.S. legal system is fucked up.

 

[Peter Parka]

actually, the mere fact that innocent people have been put to death that were really proven to be innocent later on, should be reason to end capital punishment.

Agreed! This was a huge part of the reason the death penalty was abolished in Britain.

 

[All Else Failed]

Or it could just be another example of how the U.S. legal system is fucked up.

hey we agree on something.

:confetti:

 

[Thebest]

hey we agree on something.

:confetti:

well hot damn! *cheers*

 

[UncleBacon]

should we start killing people who get sent to prison for getting caught with minor things such as pot if they are repeat offenders?


Also, the rehabilitation program in America is laughable. it needs to be worked on.

not the minor criminals but the hardened criminals that are in there for serious crimes like murder and childmolestation yes I think should be put to =death

 

[All Else Failed]

Well, agree to disagree then.