Martin/Zimmerman-----Poll

[The Man]

Please explain to me how "innocent until proven guilty" means that you can state that Martin attacked Zimmerman as fact. I'm genuinely curious as to how you made that correlation in your head. You'd better watch the personal attacks as well.

WOW...sensitive tonight.....much like a little girl hey.
Now show me where I said it is a fact that martin attacked george....not that it really matters anyway backwards boy..AS THE STATE WOULD HAVE TO PROVE THAT GEORGE WAS VIOLENTLY ATTACKING MARTIN TO WARRANT THE HEAD SMASHING....think before you post and stop your obsession with me..you are looking like a fool

 

[The Man]

Why did you feel it necessary to say essentially the same thing in consecutive posts? Granted, this one was far more brief and sans the personal attack, but they carried the same basic message.

Some how it doesnt sink into your head the first time.

 

[Tangerine]

I read it...it was a great post I have to admit...but it calls for alot of speculation.
Myself I have to have cold hard evidence

The entire post was speculation. That was the point - to speculate what you believed.

And you CANT have read it if you're making comments about convicting someone without evidence when my conclusion was that he WOULDNT BE CONVICTED.

Here's your problem, you are trying to debate this from the point of view of a defense attorney - that someone ELSE has to prove their case. But this is not a trial and you are NOT a defense attorney. This is a debate and YOU are making assertions. If you make an assertion, it's up to you to support it - not the other side. Your assertions are all based on your own speculations, and you have not supported them with facts.

 

[The Man]

The entire post was speculation. That was the point - to speculate what you believed.

And you CANT have read it if you're making comments about convicting someone without evidence when my conclusion was that he WOULDNT BE CONVICTED.

Here's your problem, you are trying to debate this from the point of view of a defense attorney - that someone ELSE has to prove their case. But this is not a trial and you are NOT a defense attorney. This is a debate and YOU are making assertions. If you make an assertion, it's up to you to support it - not the other side. Your assertions are all based on your own speculations, and you have not supported them with facts.

The entire post was speculation. That was the point - to speculate what you believed.

And you CANT have read it if you're making comments about convicting someone without evidence when my conclusion was that he WOULDNT BE CONVICTED.

My bad ..I read it the night before..I just re read and at the very bottom you thought he wouldnt be convicted...one cant help get the impression if you were on the jury though you would vote guilty.

This is a debate and YOU are making assertions. If you make an assertion, it's up to you to support it - not the other side. Your assertions are all based on your own speculations, and you have not supported them with facts

ROFL...you had written and linked me to a post of yours which very very very long and was nothing but assertions
But yet claim I am making assertions ...now thats a fact
:24:

 

[retro]

WOW...sensitive tonight.....much like a little girl hey.
Now show me where I said it is a fact that martin attacked george....not that it really matters anyway backwards boy..AS THE STATE WOULD HAVE TO PROVE THAT GEORGE WAS VIOLENTLY ATTACKING MARTIN TO WARRANT THE HEAD SMASHING....think before you post and stop your obsession with me..you are looking like a fool

Sensitive? Nope... I'm just issuing a warning that you should watch it with the personal attacks.

Here's a mindfuck for you... Zimmerman's defense has to actually prove that Martin was smashing his head to begin with. I know, proving something is a novel concept for you... but that's the way things go in court. In order for Zimmerman to justify shooting Martin, he has to prove that Martin attacked him and was pounding his head into the pavement like he's claimed. Some lacerations to the head don't prove anything except that he was injured in some way, most likely due to his head impacting the concrete in some fashion.

You have stated as fact that Trayvon Martin bashed Zimmerman's head into the pavement... on numerous occasions. I'm too lazy to go back and find them, but we all know that you've said it. You can try to lie about it, but we all know the truth, so it'd just make you look even more foolish than you do already if you chose to pursue that course of action.

 

[Tangerine]

My bad ..I read it the night before..I just re read and at the very bottom you thought he wouldnt be convicted...one cant help get the impression if you were on the jury though you would vote guilty.


ROFL...you had written and linked me to a post of yours which very very very long and was nothing but assertions
But yet claim I am making assertions ...now thats a fact
:24:

Wow, you really are clueless, aren't you?

MY thread was intended for people to speculate on what they THOUGHT happened - no other purpose. And about 100 times in that thread I used the words "I believe" meaning those were conclusions that I have drawn and formed my own personal opinion.

In THIS thread we have all been debating the points of this case. You have repeatedly made claims of things as if they were fact, when you have nothing to support them. If you were claiming that you THINK these things happened, that's all there is to be said. But when you claim they are FACTS, you need something to back up your points. Simply saying "prove that I'm wrong" doesn't do it.

 

[The Man]

Sensitive? Nope... I'm just issuing a warning that you should watch it with the personal attacks.

Here's a mindfuck for you... Zimmerman's defense has to actually prove that Martin was smashing his head to begin with. I know, proving something is a novel concept for you... but that's the way things go in court. In order for Zimmerman to justify shooting Martin, he has to prove that Martin attacked him and was pounding his head into the pavement like he's claimed. Some lacerations to the head don't prove anything except that he was injured in some way, most likely due to his head impacting the concrete in some fashion.

You have stated as fact that Trayvon Martin bashed Zimmerman's head into the pavement... on numerous occasions. I'm too lazy to go back and find them, but we all know that you've said it. You can try to lie about it, but we all know the truth, so it'd just make you look even more foolish than you do already if you chose to pursue that course of action.

Sensitive? Nope... I'm just issuing a warning that you should watch it with the personal attacks.

Dish it out but cant take....much like a little girl

Here's a mindfuck for you.

Dont strain yourself...lets see what you got

Zimmerman's defense has to actually prove that Martin was smashing his head to begin with

You call that a mindfuck....for you perhaps....they dont have to prove shit other than the gashes...good gawd boy.:24:

I know, proving something is a novel concept for you... but that's the way things go in court.

You dont have a clue how things work in court....We know for sure you made up that IQ of 157....you forgot the decimal point lad :24:

In order for Zimmerman to justify shooting Martin, he has to prove that Martin attacked him and was pounding his head into the pavement like he's claimed.

Thats easy enough....you were the only one who thought the gashes could be shadows :clap

Some lacerations to the head don't prove anything except that he was injured in some way, most likely due to his head impacting the concrete in some fashion.

Like maybe he done it to himself...rather than martin doing it...what are you suggesting for the multiple gashes...Please disqualify your self when summoned for jury duty please...your 157 IQ is failing to shine.

Now move along boy you bother me

 

[The Man]

Wow, you really are clueless, aren't you?

MY thread was intended for people to speculate on what they THOUGHT happened - no other purpose. And about 100 times in that thread I used the words "I believe" meaning those were conclusions that I have drawn and formed my own personal opinion.

In THIS thread we have all been debating the points of this case. You have repeatedly made claims of things as if they were fact, when you have nothing to support them. If you were claiming that you THINK these things happened, that's all there is to be said. But when you claim they are FACTS, you need something to back up your points. Simply saying "prove that I'm wrong" doesn't do it.

Facts are his head is gashed
Nose broke
Fat lips
Hurt back
I guess a mule could have kicked him around during the incident..but now that would be speculation.
Its safe to say the injuries coming from martin are a fact

 

[Kakapo Dundee]

Its safe to say the injuries coming from martin are a fact

Only if you've already convinced yourself that he's justified in killing the kid.

 

[The Man]

Only if you've already convinced yourself that he's justified in killing the kid.

Let me guess you and retro share the same IQ.

 

[Kakapo Dundee]

Down to the personal attacks again? You take it far too badly when other people behave on this forum the way that you do.

You present every one of your opinions as if it were gospel truth, and demand that everyone else's opinions be backed by ironclad evidence.

You posted something stupid. I used your bogus logic to construct a worthy reply. If you think I'm not smart because I use the same slanted techniques that you do, what exactly are you saying about yourself?:24:

 

[retro]

Dish it out but cant take....much like a little girl

Dont strain yourself...lets see what you got

You call that a mindfuck....for you perhaps....they dont have to prove shit other than the gashes...good gawd boy.:24:


You dont have a clue how things work in court....We know for sure you made up that IQ of 157....you forgot the decimal point lad :24:

Thats easy enough....you were the only one who thought the gashes could be shadows :clap


Like maybe he done it to himself...rather than martin doing it...what are you suggesting for the multiple gashes...Please disqualify your self when summoned for jury duty please...your 157 IQ is failing to shine.

Now move along boy you bother me

In order for Zimmerman's defense to use it as justification for shooting Martin (and make the jury believe it), yes... they have to prove that Martin was bashing his head into the pavement. At the very least they need to prove that it *could* have happened, but with something more definitive than "hey look at these scratches on the back of his head".

As far as my intelligence goes... I'll let my points speak for themselves. My deepest apologies if they're a little too complex for you to grasp; but unfortunately for you, I cannot pander to the lowest common denominator on a regular basis. But, I to brag just a little bit; I graduated high school at the age of 16. No, that doesn't say a whole lot, but it should prove that I'm just a bit more intelligent than your average person. But, that's not to say that we don't need "average" people out there. I'm sure you do a great job in whatever menial labor position it is that you hold down... we need people like you, be proud of yourself.

Question, if I bother you so much, then why do you keep responding to the things that I say? Oh, that's right... you're trying to get my attention, so I can be the father figure for you that you apparently never had.

Oh, and if we want to use decimal points, then it would be 157.0, but since they only gave the score to me as a whole number, I figured the ".0" tacked on the end was a little redundant.

 

[retro]

Let me guess you and retro share the same IQ.

It's a pretty solid IQ to be proud of... right up there with Abraham Lincoln, Nicolaus Copernicus, and Thomas Jefferson.

 

[The Man]

Down to the personal attacks again? You take it far too badly when other people behave on this forum the way that you do.

You present every one of your opinions as if it were gospel truth, and demand that everyone else's opinions be backed by ironclad evidence.

You posted something stupid. I used your bogus logic to construct a worthy reply. If you think I'm not smart because I use the same slanted techniques that you do, what exactly are you saying about yourself?:24:

Actually I just stooped to your level..nothing more
Thanks for the feed by the way

 

[Kakapo Dundee]

Thanks for the feed by the way

If it gives you a taste of what it's like to win occasionally, enjoy with my blessing. I always share my food with the unfortunate bums who can't get their shit together for long enough to get a feed for themselves.

 

[The Man]

In order for Zimmerman's defense to use it as justification for shooting Martin (and make the jury believe it), yes... they have to prove that Martin was bashing his head into the pavement. At the very least they need to prove that it *could* have happened, but with something more definitive than "hey look at these scratches on the back of his head".

As far as my intelligence goes... I'll let my points speak for themselves. My deepest apologies if they're a little too complex for you to grasp; but unfortunately for you, I cannot pander to the lowest common denominator on a regular basis. But, I to brag just a little bit; I graduated high school at the age of 16. No, that doesn't say a whole lot, but it should prove that I'm just a bit more intelligent than your average person. But, that's not to say that we don't need "average" people out there. I'm sure you do a great job in whatever menial labor position it is that you hold down... we need people like you, be proud of yourself.

Question, if I bother you so much, then why do you keep responding to the things that I say? Oh, that's right... you're trying to get my attention, so I can be the father figure for you that you apparently never had.

Oh, and if we want to use decimal points, then it would be 157.0, but since they only gave the score to me as a whole number, I figured the ".0" tacked on the end was a little redundant.

In order for Zimmerman's defense to use it as justification for shooting Martin (and make the jury believe it), yes... they have to prove that Martin was bashing his head into the pavement. At the very least they need to prove that it *could* have happened, but with something more definitive than "hey look at these scratches on the back of his head".

They dont have to have a line of witnesses seeing his head getting bashed...his head was bashed the doctor will say it was bashed...simple
And no..the doctor is not going to say...the gashes appear to be shadows :24:

As far as my intelligence goes... I'll let my points speak for themselves. My deepest apologies if they're a little too complex for you to grasp; but unfortunately for you, I cannot pander to the lowest common denominator on a regular basis. But, I to brag just a little bit; I graduated high school at the age of 16.

Whoopee fucking doo ...you want a cookie.
Had I been in charge I would have pushed you through faster to get rid of your annoying ass

But, that's not to say that we don't need "average" people out there. I'm sure you do a great job in whatever menial labor position it is that you hold down... we need people like you, be proud of yourself.

I have essentially already retired..and work a few hours a week
I have done well for myself

Question, if I bother you so much, then why do you keep responding to the things that I say? Oh, that's right... you're trying to get my attention, so I can be the father figure for you that you apparently never had.

You are the one that keeps chasing me down....I suspect you jerk to my posts as well as to your Jesse Jackson poster.

 

[The Man]

It's a pretty solid IQ to be proud of... right up there with Abraham Lincoln, Nicolaus Copernicus, and Thomas Jefferson.

Trust me your blood line doesnt trace back to any of the above.
I bet you have posters of them as well.....dream of being pivot boy dont you

 

[The Man]

If it gives you a taste of what it's like to win occasionally, enjoy with my blessing. I always share my food with the unfortunate bums who can't get their shit together for long enough to get a feed for themselves.

Want some meat "pecker head"....get it? :24:

 

[The Man]

Night "buddies"

 

[Kakapo Dundee]

Groundhog day. Abuses people, then runs away.

The ego behind such a pompous username should have been a warning that winning is more important than facts to this clown.