Martin/Zimmerman-----Poll

[Kakapo Dundee]

Here - let me refresh everyone's memory about the statement in question



So to be clear, you are claiming that in THIS post - the "witness" you mentioned that "states Zimmerman got his head beat into the sidewalk" is Zimmerman himself, and that's what you meant all along?

Why didn't you just say "Zimmmerman claims he got his head beaten into the sidewalk" ? By saying "there is a witness" you are suggesting there was someone else who WITNESSED what happened. That is not true.

We're wasting our time here.

 

[Tangerine]

I have laughed at you so hard my sides hurt.

Thank you.

 

[The Man]

You continue to repeat this lie.

You are a liar, sir, therefore everything else you say in this matter is entirely impeached.

I take it you have been ignoring the links to claim I am a liar.

 

[clancy]

And this has been shown several times as well
Police reports, paramedics.pictures,911 calls eye witness{s} seeing him on the bottom getting whipped

This is what some people don't want to see. The evidence backs Zimmerman's story up when looked at together. Unless the prosecution has something very strong they have no case. The lead investigator on the case even admitted they had nothing to prove Zimmerman continued to follow Martin after the 911 operator advised him not to. If the prosecution did have any case at all they would have gotten the 1 million dollar bail they asked for at the bond hearing.

 

[Tim]

If the prosecution did have any case at all they would have gotten the 1 million dollar bail they asked for at the bond hearing.

Bond has nothing to do with evidence against the accused.

The court looks at two things, Is the accused a danger to society and what is the flight risk.

 

[The Man]

Bond has nothing to do with evidence against the accused.

The court looks at two things, Is the accused a danger to society and what is the flight risk.

Sure it does in a murder trial....Defendants in murder are a high flight risk and can make the state look rather bad if an accused murderer disappears.
No evidence equates to low flight risk which is why the bond is so low and only required 10 percent of that.
There is no case Tim

 

[Tim]

Sure it does in a murder trial....Defendants in murder are a high flight risk and can make the state look rather bad if an accused murderer disappears.
No evidence equates to low flight risk which is why the bond is so low and only required 10 percent of that.
There is no case Tim

Jesus christ, you don't even understand why he only paid 10% of the $150,000 bond... come back to the discussion when you have educated yourself on bail/bond

Not only did he have a bond of $150,000 he was also instructed by the court not to possess a firearm of any type, not to contact the Martin family, abide by a curfew of 7pm to 6am and he has to wear a GPS monitoring anklet....

Yeah, sounds like he got off light when his lawyer was only asking for $15,000 bond

 

[The Man]

Jesus christ, you don't even understand why he only paid 10% of the $150,000 bond... come back to the discussion when you have educated yourself on bail/bond

Not only did he have a bond of $150,000 he was also instructed by the court not to possess a firearm of any type, not to contact the Martin family, abide by a curfew of 7pm to 6am and he has to wear a GPS monitoring anklet....

Yeah, sounds like he got off light when his lawyer was only asking for $15,000 bond

Jesus christ, you don't even understand why he only paid 10% of the $150,000 bond... come back to the discussion when you have educated yourself on bail/bond

I fully understand how it works
They could have easily denied the 10 percent...but they didnt.

instructed by the court not to possess a firearm of any type

And its pretty standard to not be able to possess a firearm on a second degree murder charge involving a pistol
Are you somehow implying that relates to guilt?

not to contact the Martin family

Standard.

abide by a curfew of 7pm to 6am and he has to wear a GPS monitoring anklet

So?
The bracelet is because he is going to hide at an alternate location...as a safety precaution due to the racists death threats...from those that still think there is a conspiracy.
Not to mention tim...you can cut the things right off ...no way meant to stop one from running

 

[Tim]

I fully understand how it works
They could have easily denied the 10 percent...but they didnt.

Apparently you don't understand.

The bond was $150,000 dollars.
The court got $150,000 cash in hand before Zimmerman was released.
Since Zimmerman didn't have $150,000 cash to pay the bond, he went through a bail bonds man who fronted the cash for a 10% non-refundable payment of $15,000.
So the courts had absolutely nothing to do with the 10% that Zimmerman paid.

If you have the cash to pay your own bond to the court, that's the way you go since you get it all back when you show up for trial.
If you can't afford your bond, you pay someone to post it for you. The standard fee is 10% which you do not get back. And if you fail to appear for court, the bail bonds man is out that $150,000 that he fronted. These are the guys that hire bounty hunters to make sure your ass gets to court, so they don't lose their money.

Now do you understand why he only had to come up with $15,000 dollars and not the whole $150,000? It had NOTHING to do with the court or how guilty he seemed...

 

[The Man]

Apparently you don't understand.

The bond was $150,000 dollars.
The court got $150,000 cash in hand before Zimmerman was released.
Since Zimmerman didn't have $150,000 cash to pay the bond, he went through a bail bonds man who fronted the cash for a 10% non-refundable payment of $15,000.
So the courts had absolutely nothing to do with the 10% that Zimmerman paid.

If you have the cash to pay your own bond to the court, that's the way you go since you get it all back when you show up for trial.
If you can't afford your bond, you pay someone to post it for you. The standard fee is 10% which you do not get back. And if you fail to appear for court, the bail bonds man is out that $150,000 that he fronted. These are the guys that hire bounty hunters to make sure your ass gets to court, so they don't lose their money.

Now do you understand why he only had to come up with $15,000 dollars and not the whole $150,000? It had NOTHING to do with the court or how guilty he seemed...

And many bonds are cash only..full amount.
Which they didnt do to Zimmerman.
The bondsman doesnt have to front the 150 k...only in the event he runs do they have to cough up the money

They wanted him out of jail....Tim
And rightly so as there is no case

 

[Aeval]

Am I the only one that think the cuts don't look that bad on the back of his head?

It looks like a couple of insignificant cuts that bled alot, imo. I can see those occurring by being knocked to the ground, hitting his head and something digging in as he was punched in the face....he could have landed on a pebble or glass that would automatically cut him on impact.

I haven't read anywhere that states his head was being bashed into the ground and with that I mean Martin having a firm hold of his head and driving it, repeatedly, into the pavement.

I've read Martin was on top of him and they were fighting...but I haven't read much lately, so who knows.....

From personal experience: a friend got in an altercation one night and had a glass thrown at him, the glass hit him on the right side of his face, cutting him above the eye and just below it. The blood that came from that injury was frightening, I freaked and called 911 immediately thinking he was in danger of losing his eye...I mean it was horrific. Once the paramedics cleaned him up and he stopped bleeding, he had 2 scrapes - less than 1/3 of an inch each that didn't require stitches nor did they leave scars. Sometimes things appear worse than they actually are. Can't confirm this is the case with Zimmerman's wounds but it's been on my mind.

 

[Tim]

And many bonds are cash only..full amount.
Which they didnt do to Zimmerman.
The bondsman doesnt have to front the 150 k...only in the event he runs do they have to cough up the money

They wanted him out of jail....Tim
And rightly so as there is no case

What part of, "The court got $150,000 cash in hand before Zimmerman was released" do you not understand???

 

[Tim]

Am I the only one that think the cuts don't look that bad on the back of his head?

It looks like a couple of insignificant cuts that bled alot, imo. I can see those occurring by being knocked to the ground, hitting his head and something digging in as he was punched in the face....he could have landed on a pebble or glass that would automatically cut him on impact.

I haven't read anywhere that states his head was being bashed into the ground and with that I mean Martin having a firm hold of his head and driving it, repeatedly, into the pavement.

I've read Martin was on top of him and they were fighting...but I haven't read much lately, so who knows.....

From personal experience: a friend got in an altercation one night and had a glass thrown at him, the glass hit him on the right side of his face, cutting him above the eye and just below it. The blood that came from that injury was frightening, I freaked and called 911 immediately thinking he was in danger of losing his eye...I mean it was horrific. Once the paramedics cleaned him up and he stopped bleeding, he had 2 scrapes - less than 1/3 of an inch each that didn't require stitches nor did they leave scars. Sometimes things appear worse than they actually are. Can't confirm this is the case with Zimmerman's wounds but it's been on my mind.

I agree, head wounds bleed quite a bit and there doesn't seem to be much blood from those two little punctures...

I just didn't feel like bringing it up before because trying to explain that to some people would have been very painful... kind of like trying to explain how bond is paid.

 

[Aeval]

I agree, head wounds bleed quite a bit and there doesn't seem to be much blood from those two little punctures...

I just didn't feel like bringing it up before because trying to explain that to some people would have been very painful... kind of like trying to explain how bond is paid.

I've been wanting to say it for a while and held back...guess I'm a sucker for punishment. Glad I'm not the only one that thinks that though.

 

[The Man]

Am I the only one that think the cuts don't look that bad on the back of his head?

It looks like a couple of insignificant cuts that bled alot, imo. I can see those occurring by being knocked to the ground, hitting his head and something digging in as he was punched in the face....he could have landed on a pebble or glass that would automatically cut him on impact.

I haven't read anywhere that states his head was being bashed into the ground and with that I mean Martin having a firm hold of his head and driving it, repeatedly, into the pavement.

I've read Martin was on top of him and they were fighting...but I haven't read much lately, so who knows.....

From personal experience: a friend got in an altercation one night and had a glass thrown at him, the glass hit him on the right side of his face, cutting him above the eye and just below it. The blood that came from that injury was frightening, I freaked and called 911 immediately thinking he was in danger of losing his eye...I mean it was horrific. Once the paramedics cleaned him up and he stopped bleeding, he had 2 scrapes - less than 1/3 of an inch each that didn't require stitches nor did they leave scars. Sometimes things appear worse than they actually are. Can't confirm this is the case with Zimmerman's wounds but it's been on my mind.

Am I the only one that think the cuts don't look that bad on the back of his head?

Look at them again...and also note the red abrasions in between the gashes.

I haven't read anywhere that states his head was being bashed into the ground and with that I mean Martin having a firm hold of his head and driving it, repeatedly, into the pavement.

Yes a statement was given that he was having his head smashed into the sidewalk

I've read Martin was on top of him and they were fighting...but I haven't read much lately, so who knows..

Yes ..I think that has become agreed upon by most

 

[The Man]

I've been wanting to say it for a while and held back...guess I'm a sucker for punishment. Glad I'm not the only one that thinks that though.

That photo was taken right after the fight
The blood forked in many directions and run down to the collar area....hardly scrapes

 

[Aeval]

Look at them again...and also note the red abrasions in between the gashes.




Yes a statement was given that he was having his head smashed into the sidewalk

I've looked at the pic several times and haven't changed my opinion.

A statement was given by someone OTHER THAN Zimmerman? From someone that can describe Martin firmly holding Zimmerman's head and repeatedly forcing it into the ground?

Like I said...I've been falling behind on this in the news....

 

[Aeval]

That photo was taken right after the fight
The blood forked in many directions and run down to the collar area....hardly scrapes

I've seen small cuts bleed quite a bit....more blood than what's on his head.

You tech savvy? I'm not...but just to help me out...can you draw circles on the pic of the cuts, not blood running? I just want to be able to see what you're seeing....

 

[The Man]

What part of, "The court got $150,000 cash in hand before Zimmerman was released" do you not understand???

Link to show that 150 k was placed in the courts possession?...dont waste your time
Apparently you dont understand how it works...The bondman does not have to pay in advance to get the release.
He will be responsible in the event he runs.
Are you saying Fla is different?..and has to put up the entire amount before a release is made?
Wow tim..Just fucking wow
If that were the case...the bondsman would work on CASH ONLY bonds..
Do you know what a cash only bond is tim
That is where you put up the full amount tim.
If a bondsman was required to put up the full amount....There would be no point of a cash only bond...Use your head tim..You havent been thinking lately before you post and it has been showing.

 

[Tim]

Link to show that 150 k was placed in the courts possession?...dont waste your time
Apparently you dont understand how it works...The bondman does not have to pay in advance to get the release.
He will be responsible in the event he runs.
Are you saying Fla is different?..and has to put up the entire amount before a release is made?
Wow tim..Just fucking wow
If that were the case...the bondsman would work on CASH ONLY bonds..
Do you know what a cash only bond is tim
That is where you put up the full amount tim.
If a bondsman was required to put up the full amount....There would be no point of a cash only bond...Use your head tim..You havent been thinking lately before you post and it has been showing.

SURETY BOND (BOND 10%) MOST COMMON TYPE
The alternative to cash bail is the posting of a surety bond which is also known as a bail bond. This process involves a contractual undertaking guaranteed by an admitted insurance company having adequate assets to satisfy the face value of the bond. The bail bondsman guarantees to the court that the defendant will appear at court or pay the full bond amount ( bond forfeiture ) if the defendant fails to appear for the designated court appearances.
The costs for this type of service is typically 10% of the bail amount and is fully earned upon the release of the defendant.

Like I said, the bond was set at $150,000 and Zimmerman only needed to pay $15,000 (or 10%) which he will not get back.
Zimmerman had the option of paying the full $150,000 if he had it, then he wouldn't lose the $15,000 when he shows up for court. That $15,000 that was paid to a bondsman to guarantee that he shows and if he doesn't the full amount of $150,000 will be paid to the court by the bondsman...

So there was no reduction in bond to Zimmerman, none. He was required to come up with a $150,000 bond