Martin/Zimmerman-----Poll

What happened ?

  • Zimmerman was looking for the first black guy to shoot.

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  • Martin stalking Zimmerman is Ok

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  • It is a crime for Zimmerman to see where stalker Martin ran to.

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  • The heck with a slow judicial system lets execute Zimmerman now

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  • I think Zimmerman had super human running skills and caught the young black man.

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mclovin1

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Too many people buying into the media hype and not looking at the facts. But with that aside several legal experts say the case against Zimmerman is very weak. One source states in regard to the charge made by Angela Corey: "Absent something new in Corey's file, one of America's best-known lawyers feels the case against Zimmerman is doomed. Harvard law professor Alan Dershowitz believes that the murder charges will be thrown out.

In a recent interview with me, Dershowitz acknowledged the low evidentiary bar necessary at this juncture but still opined that Corey has not met it.

"Most affidavits of probable cause are very thin," Dershowitz said. "This is so thin that it won't make it past the judge on a second-degree murder charge. There is simply nothing in there that would justify second-degree murder. The elements of the crime aren't established ..."

"There is nothing in there, of course, either about the stains on the back of Zimmerman's shirt, the blood on the back of his head, the bloody nose, all of that. It's not only thin, it's irresponsible. I think that what you have here is an elected public official who made a campaign speech ... for re-election when she gave her presentation, and overcharged, way overcharged. ...

Commenting on the absence of information in the affidavit, Dershowitz said: "It's irresponsible and unethical, not including the material that favors the defendant, unless it's not true. But if it's true, as we now have learned from other information, that the grass stains are in back of Zimmerman's shirt, that there were bruises on his head, you must put that in an affidavit. The affidavit has to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth."

Not only is Dershowitz saying this but so are others in the legal field. The elements of the crime have not been established. Unless Angela Corey has other evidence that is much stronger I would agree this is nothing but a political move by an elected official to get re-elected.

The most important thing in my opinion is that someone lost their life. It should be thoroughly investigated. I don't think Zimmerman purposely went after Martin to kill him or do him harm. I do believe Martin intended to do Zimmerman harm. The wounds to his head and eyewitnesses saying he was bleeding from his nose prove this. I don't believe Martin was the innocent "child" many have tried to portray him as and I don't think Zimmerman is some kind of hero either. The fact is so far there is nothing to disprove Zimmerman's account of what happened. So what if he followed Martin? So what if he made certain comments on that 911 call? So what if he wanted to make sure the cops knew where Martin was when they arrived? It isn't illegal to disregard what some 911 operator advises you to do. "We don't need you to do that" is not a command. A 911 operator is there to relay information and send help. That is all.

None of these things prove Zimmerman guilty. Hopefully more information will come out to justify the charge brought against Zimmerman. If it doesn't then Angela Corey's sanity needs to be evaluated. It is understandable for people to be concerned and have their own opinion about this case but Corey is supposed to be a professional and above using Zimmerman as a pawn in a political game.
 
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My point exactly. When the citizens of a bankrupt country think they run the world, they're living in an artificial reality.

He didn't say we "run" the world. He said we were a leader. Not the same thing.

You're out of your mind if you don't think America is the most important superpower on the face of the planet right now.
 

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C'mon now....that's harsh. Stick to the facts, you were doing well with that. I don't agree with your opinion, but at least I respected the way you were presenting your argument a few days ago, I have to admit, I haven't had time to read through the last week's worth of posting but this is a low blow.

Thats before I was aware that the mother wasn't at the household in the gated community where the shooting took place
 

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Another outright lie.

Provide a link to this witness, please.

Fucking wow.
Zimmerman made a statement regarding the multiple gashes on his head...He is a witness.
I am not providing a link for what you should already know to be posting in this thread.
Read up and gain a little knowledge on the matter rather that posting stupid remarks.

And what are the OTHER lies you are claiming tango.
I have already proven multiple times that the state lied
Prove me wrong or STFU

Again...what lie..I have shown in multiple occasions where the state lied...to substantiate my post
I have shown the witness to the head bashing to substantiate that post as well

English not your first language?
 

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Again...what lie..I have shown in multiple occasions where the state lied...to substantiate my post
I have shown the witness to the head bashing to substantiate that post as well

English not your first language?

I will repeat myself for the third time. You have chosen twice to completely ignore it.

I am claiming that you are lying when you stated there is a witness who saw TM smashing GZ's head into the ground. Back up that claim.
 

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Another outright lie.

Provide a link to this witness, please.

Fucking wow.
Zimmerman made a statement regarding the multiple gashes on his head...He is a witness.
I am not providing a link for what you should already know to be posting in this thread.
Read up and gain a little knowledge on the matter rather that posting stupid remarks.

And what are the OTHER lies you are claiming tango.
I have already proven multiple times that the state lied
Prove me wrong or STFU

I will repeat myself for the third time. You have chosen twice to completely ignore it.

Been responded to so many times..you are looking like an ass...and yet you fail to reply to what other lies you are claiming.
 

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Been responded to so many times..you are looking like an ass...and yet you fail to reply to what other lies you are claiming.

You haven't responded AT ALL.

Who is the witness who saw Martin pounding GZ's head into the ground?

It's a simple question.


Surely you aren't trying to backpeddle from your original lie and say that George Zimmerman is the witness who saw George Zimmerman's head being pounded into the ground and so that corroborates George Zimmerman's statement to the police? Is THAT what you are saying?
 

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You haven't responded AT ALL.

Who is the witness who saw Martin pounding GZ's head into the ground?

It's a simple question.


Surely you aren't trying to backpeddle from your original lie and say that George Zimmerman is the witness who saw George Zimmerman's head being pounded into the ground and so that corroborates George Zimmerman's statement to the police? Is THAT what you are saying?

I have told you numerous times....One more fucking time..Zimmerman is a witness to the entire incident from start to finish...as bad as it may chap your ass thats how it is.

Surely you aren't trying to backpeddle from your original lie and say that George Zimmerman is the witness who saw George Zimmerman's head being pounded into the ground and so that corroborates George Zimmerman's statement to the police? Is THAT what you are saying?
I have never claimed another witness to come forth...read before you post/
Are you that fucking dense?
He shot him...he knows who pounded his head into the sidewalk fucking Jesus dude.


As bad as you may want martin to still be that little 12 year old that the press presented .....he wasnt.
As bad as people believed Zimmerman's head wasnt gashed up it is
Evidence is coming for to back zimmermans story but not a single thing to back the theorists

It is what it is
Little boy turned out to be a young man with a little recent history.
He got the best of Zimmerman and was beating his ass and smashing his head.
Zimmerman shot him in the chest.
Told someone to call the police...but several people already had.
He waited for the police.
The paramedics cleaned him up
He went to the station and was questioned for 5 hours.
There was no arrest made as the DA determined there wasnt anything to charge him with.
The public throws a fit...fear of riots are a concern
Special DA and investigators are called in...lies are written in the affidavit {as determined by one of the investigators own testimony}
Zimmerman is arrested.
Zimmerman is out on bond a short time later....Bond is very low for a murder charge.
Bond is usually denied in cases of murder where likelihood of a conviction will occur.
There is no case
There is no conspiracy to cover up a case
 

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..Zimmerman is a witness to the entire incident from start to finish...

You're nuts. Zimmerman is the defendant. Have you seriously been pinning your whole defence of Zimmerman on the idiotic notion that he can somehow be a witness and a victim as well as a suspected murderer?
 

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You're nuts. Zimmerman is the defendant. Have you seriously been pinning your whole defence of Zimmerman on the idiotic notion that he can somehow be a witness and a victim as well as a suspected murderer?

Are you saying that everything he says is meaningless then?
If so why even question him to begin with?
He is a witness...he has the right to get on the stand just like anyone else that has knowledge of what occurred
Victims here of assault testify all the time ....how else would they prosecute if there were no there were no other witnesses?
Lets say 2 people got into an ally fight B whips A A testifies against B ...pretty standard
 

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If someone smashed your head into the sidewalk...wouldnt you like to be able to tell what happened?
Surely they do not deny such in New Zealand?
 

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A person cannot corroborate their own statement.

I'm sorry that I caught you stretching the truth to try to make your case, but I did.

You did not say that Zimmerman was the witness... you claimed there was a witness who could corroborate his statement. It was not true.
 

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A person cannot corroborate their own statement.

I'm sorry that I caught you stretching the truth to try to make your case, but I did.

You did not say that Zimmerman was the witness... you claimed there was a witness who could corroborate his statement. It was not true.
There are witnesses that can corroborate his statement.
These have been mentioned before as well.
Why do you have such a difficult time comprehending this?
 

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Here - let me refresh everyone's memory about the statement in question

There is a witness that states Zimmerman got his head beat into the sidewalk.
The police documented the injuries.
The paramedics documented the injuries.
Other witnesses also placed Martin on top of Zimmerman.
So guess what he got his head bashed into the sidewalk..All the evidence corroborates his statement.

So to be clear, you are claiming that in THIS post - the "witness" you mentioned that "states Zimmerman got his head beat into the sidewalk" is Zimmerman himself, and that's what you meant all along?

Why didn't you just say "Zimmmerman claims he got his head beaten into the sidewalk" ? By saying "there is a witness" you are suggesting there was someone else who WITNESSED what happened. That is not true.
 

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There are witnesses that can corroborate his statement.
These have been mentioned before as well.
Why do you have such a difficult time comprehending this?

And I point-blank asked you to provide something to back that statement up. I'm still waiting.
 

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Here - let me refresh everyone's memory about the statement in question



So to be clear, you are claiming that in THIS post - the "witness" you mentioned that "states Zimmerman got his head beat into the sidewalk" is Zimmerman himself, and that's what you meant all along?

Why didn't you just say "Zimmmerman claims he got his head beaten into the sidewalk" ? By saying "there is a witness" you are suggesting there was someone else who WITNESSED what happened. That is not true.
By saying "there is a witness" you are suggesting there was someone else who WITNESSED what happened.

I have never suggested such.
 

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And I point-blank asked you to provide something to back that statement up. I'm still waiting.
And this has been shown several times as well
Police reports, paramedics.pictures,911 calls eye witness{s} seeing him on the bottom getting whipped
 
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