Martin/Zimmerman-----Poll

[All Else Failed]

Why is it so hard to understand that if you are the aggressor, then you lose the right to claim self defense?

not exactly true and no it does not exclude defense


and your scenario is not the same thing at all


If Zimmerman was returning to his SUV and Martin reengaged Zimmerman then that would make Martin the aggressor since Zimmerman broke off his pursuit and was walking away.

 

[Tim]

not exactly true and no it does not exclude defense


and your scenario is not the same thing at all


If Zimmerman was returning to his SUV and Martin reengaged Zimmerman then that would make Martin the aggressor since Zimmerman broke off his pursuit and was walking away.

I really can't believe how blind you all are when looking at this objectively.

Seriously, go back and listen to the tapes again, there is no way that Zimmerman was going to just decide to break off pursuit after going 90% of the way. He was very determined in his call to make sure this "punk" was caught and didn't get away. He was sure as hell going to keep his eye on him until the police arrived so he can tell them where he was.
I don't know how a rational person can come to this conclusion after hearing the determination in his voice to make sure this guy was caught...

The story of getting jumped while innocently walking back to his suv is clearly a fabrication to cover his ass after just killing someone. What did you expect him to say? "Yeah, I caught up to him and we fought and I ended up shooting him"

 

[Alien Allen]

It blows my mind how these fucktards bend over backward to defend the killing of an unarmed teenager by a moron who knew better and had just been told never to follow a suspect.

He was told "you don't need to do that" by dispatch

Were you at his watchdog training to verify this comment? Because it was not stated by dispatch.

 

[All Else Failed]

I really can't believe how blind you all are when looking at this objectively.

Seriously, go back and listen to the tapes again, there is no way that Zimmerman was going to just decide to break off pursuit after going 90% of the way. He was very determined in his call to make sure this "punk" was caught and didn't get away. He was sure as hell going to keep his eye on him until the police arrived so he can tell them where he was.
I don't know how a rational person can come to this conclusion after hearing the determination in his voice to make sure this guy was caught...

The story of getting jumped while innocently walking back to his suv is clearly a fabrication to cover his ass after just killing someone. What did you expect him to say? "Yeah, I caught up to him and we fought and I ended up shooting him"

See this is where your argument fails along with everyone else's. You're assuming you know Zimmerman's personal thoughts. You assume you know what he would have done.


All we know is that after the 9/11 person told him to not follow him, Zimmerman agreed, and after that he said he didn't want to give his information over the phone because he didn't even know where Martin was.

 

[Tim]

See this is where your argument fails along with everyone else's. You're assuming you know Zimmerman's personal thoughts. You assume you know what he would have done.


All we know is that after the 9/11 person told him to not follow him, Zimmerman agreed, and after that he said he didn't want to give his information over the phone because he didn't even know where Martin was.

I never presumed to know Zimmerman's or Martin's thoughts, never. I'm basing my view on the facts at hand (the 911 call) and human nature.

And he didn't "know" where Martin was because he ran around the other side of the building in hopes of cutting him off which he did.

Take a look at the map again and look at the paths they took. Zimmerman knew which way he went (between the buildings) and went to cut him off. Then look at the map of where the shooting took place, it wasn't on the way back to Zimmerman's suv, it was exactly where they would have met up based on the paths they took.

 

[Kakapo Dundee]

If Zimmerman was returning to his SUV and Martin reengaged Zimmerman then that would make Martin the aggressor since Zimmerman broke off his pursuit and was walking away.

You really are determined to find excuses to prejudge the issue aren't you? And yet when anyone else questions the possibilities in any way that contradicts your opinions, you try to use this

See this is where your argument fails along with everyone else's. You're assuming you knowZimmerman's personal thoughts.

If that's the way you wish to measure the worth of other people's thoughts, you have effectively denounced the values of your own.

I think I'll just sit here in a civilised country and wait for the evidence,

 

[The Man]

None of those things offer proof that TM "smashed GZ head into the ground."

Yet YOU continue to assert this when you do know know whether or not Martin actually pushed GZ's head into the ground. And there is no evidence to prove or disprove the contention that Martin did infact inflict those injuries. So does that make YOU a "lying piece of shit" for saying the exact same things in the exact same circumstances as the investigator for the Special Prosecutor?

None of those things offer proof that TM "smashed GZ head into the ground."

There is a witness that states Zimmerman got his head beat into the sidewalk.
The police documented the injuries.
The paramedics documented the injuries.
Other witnesses also placed Martin on top of Zimmerman.
So guess what he got his head bashed into the sidewalk..All the evidence corroborates his statement.
Stop being a conspiracy theorist and hanging on to 1 in a billion long shots

And there is no evidence to prove or disprove the contention that Martin did infact inflict those injuries.

Right...maybe a donkey came up and kicked him the head a few times causing multiple gashes on his head while martin was on top of him....Meteor hit him then burned up?...What do you suggest?

So does that make YOU a "lying piece of shit" for saying the exact same things in the exact same circumstances as the investigator for the Special Prosecutor?

Not at all..so what does that make you?

And about the lies from the state...one more time.
The investigator that signed the affidavit had conflicting testimony regarding the very same affidavit he signed.
I have posted the quotes twice and 2 links the affidavit in this thread..

 

[The Man]

Why is it so hard to understand that if you are the aggressor, then you lose the right to claim self defense? Zimmerman chased Martin, that makes him the aggressor. It doesn't matter how the fight started or who was winning, it would have NEVER have happened if Zimmerman stayed in his fucking car.

How is this any different than if you walk into a store and demand the money, the clerk pulls out a gun and shots at you, missing and killing some innocent kid in the back of the store? The clerk is not at fault, the guy robbing the store is the one who will be charged with murder. Not because he pulled the trigger, but it was because of his actions that lead to the kids death... Your actions count.

Why is it so hard to understand that if you are the aggressor, then you lose the right to claim self defense?

There is zero fucking evidence to show that Zimmerman was the aggressor why do you keep repeating this?

How is this any different than if you walk into a store and demand the money, the clerk pulls out a gun and shots at you, missing and killing some innocent kid in the back of the store?

How is it anything like it?
Zimmerman was getting his head smashed into the sidewalk....not holding up a store...he also shot who he was intending to.

 

[The Man]

Consider yourself fortunate mate. Half our population thinks in a redneck-cowboy fashion like that. It blows my mind how these fucktards bend over backward to defend the killing of an unarmed teenager by a moron who knew better and had just been told never to follow a suspect.

You New Zealanders got room for a Nurse and an HVAC-Electrician and a couple of college kids to immigrate?

You missed a detail John.
This unarmed teenager was bashing the watchman's head into the sidewalk

 

[The Man]

I wonder if the GF ever tried calling Martin back after the line went dead?

It appears thus far she did not contact the police or anybody with concerns.

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She was tweeting away after and showed nothing out of the ordinary.
Twitter account is now gone...convenient .
Also Martin has some exchanges on his facebook about attacking a school bus driver just prior...now gone..how convenient.
Also the parents didnt look for martin until the next day..


But check this..the fight was just a few units down from the house.....The mother says the screams on the 911 tape belong to her son...Then why didnt she recognize the creams as her sons when the fight occurred?


Also think about this...if someone gets shot not far from your front steps and there is going to be alot of commotion going on how can you not know who got shot?.
Why are they only people to not know who got killed?
Perhaps stolen merchandise inside the house?...Didnt want any cops that night?
Something is very odd

 

[The Man]

Your statement that his head was smashed into the sidewalk is false in exactly the same way you claim the affidavit is. You do not have firsthand knowledge or verifiable proof of it.

Therefore, you are a liar, sir, therefore everything else you say in this matter is entirely impeached. This is the exact same position you are taking in regard to the State's case.

I will respond to this the same as your other post with lack of deductive reasoning

Your statement that his head was smashed into the sidewalk is false

Jesus tango...do you really believe this shit you post?

The police documented the injuries.
The paramedics documented the injuries.
Other witnesses also placed Martin on top of Zimmerman.
So guess what he got his head bashed into the sidewalk..All the evidence corroborates his statement.
Stop being a conspiracy theorist and hanging on to 1 in a billion long shots

You do not have firsthand knowledge or verifiable proof of it.

Isnt needed...That would be saying the same thing that Zimmerman didnt shoot Martin..you cant prove it you werent there.

Therefore, you are a liar, sir, therefore everything else you say in this matter is entirely impeached. This is the exact same position you are taking in regard to the State's case

And about the lies from the state...one more time.
The investigator that signed the affidavit had conflicting testimony regarding the very same affidavit he signed.
I have posted the quotes twice and 2 links the affidavit in this thread....Read em or shut the fuck up

 

[retro]

But check this..the fight was just a few units down from the house.....The mother says the screams on the 911 tape belong to her son...Then why didnt she recognize the creams as her sons when the fight occurred?

Because the house was his dad's girlfriend's house... Jesus Christ.

 

[All Else Failed]

You really are determined to find excuses to prejudge the issue aren't you? And yet when anyone else questions the possibilities in any way that contradicts your opinions, you try to use this

See this is where your argument fails along with everyone else's. You're assuming you knowZimmerman's personal thoughts.

If that's the way you wish to measure the worth of other people's thoughts, you have effectively denounced the values of your own.

I think I'll just sit here in a civilised country and wait for the evidence,

No, I'm okay with people approaching this issue from different points of views, however, what I am seeing is one side constantly speaking as though they know what was going through Zimmerman's head.


He had to have kept pursuing Trayvon, I mean, he wanted to so bad cuz of reasons!!!!


And you live on an island hardly anyone cares about, deflate your ego

 

[Kakapo Dundee]

And you live on an island hardly anyone cares about, deflate your ego

Failed the debate? try diversion.

You do not know what happened, yet you've already convinced yourself. If there's an ego that needs deflating, it's probably the one that believes in the right to bear arms.

 

[Tangerine]

There is a witness that states Zimmerman got his head beat into the sidewalk.

Another outright lie.

Provide a link to this witness, please.

 

[All Else Failed]

Failed the debate? try diversion.

Hardly. You're strutting around this thread with you're retarded "Civilised country" bullshit. It is funny, to be honest.

You do not know what happened, yet you've already convinced yourself. If there's an ego that needs deflating, it's probably the one that believes in the right to bear arms.

No, I fully admit that Zimmerman could have done what some think he did. I'm leaving the possibility wide open. It seems, however, that if anyone suggests otherwise that he is not the hellspawn of a KKK member, you're somehow "prejudiced".



PS Guns are awesome.

 

[Tim]

I would love for you to show me where anyone in this debate cares about the race of either of these guys.

 

[All Else Failed]

I would love for you to show me where anyone in this debate cares about the race of either of these guys.

I would love to show you that I'm not talking about race when I use the word "prejudiced".

 

[The Man]

Another outright lie.

Provide a link to this witness, please.

Fucking wow.
Zimmerman made a statement regarding the multiple gashes on his head...He is a witness.
I am not providing a link for what you should already know to be posting in this thread.
Read up and gain a little knowledge on the matter rather that posting stupid remarks.

 

[The Man]

Another outright lie.

Provide a link to this witness, please.

And what are the OTHER lies you are claiming tango.
I have already proven multiple times that the state lied
Prove me wrong or STFU