Then why does Bush, Rumsfeld and american soldiers show up so much in the video?
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DA, as far as I have understood the vid is about Christians and Christianity....a religious/didactic message to the West infact !!
Hey man, you don't seem to appreciate my quote!! I am surprised!!
I have no strong feelings about it one way or the other :shrug:
Well we all see things differently and that's what makes us individuals. So you see it as bashing too?
What's the difference maz?Not bashing in the real sense of the word but more of a didactic sermon!
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i wouldn't say there is anything wrong with posting the video or that trudell was overboard. so he's an indian bob dylan? i thought he played pretty soft on a lot of points. like i said, i know some white people with stronger feelings about the usurpers he pointed the finger at.You should of thought about posting this in the opening post so we could add that to the video. So you admit that Trudell was a tad bit over reactional in that video. It's nice to see you admit when you're wrong.
here's an interesting related essay by one:
http://www.williambowles.info/ini/ini-0136.html
i didn't know which way things were going to turn. the oppression and genocide of the native people of the entire world persists at the hands of imperialists of all races. people are waving historical facts around here. does anybody dispute that one?
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oh maybe because they tended to show up in all sorts of places shooting.
you seen the recruitment add for the CIA on facebook?
TommyTooter
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sorry, i mistook your general contempt for humanity as something more specific. :eek
That's ok, you're not the first person to make that mistake :dunno
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this is a choice chunk from the williambowles essay. maybe this thread should be moved to politics.
Strictly speaking, when dealing with politics, the personalities of the people involved are supposedly less important than the context, the power relations, money, class and so forth. But when it comes to the cabal of individuals grouped around the Bush presidency, many of whom have a history of involvement with assassinations, terrorism, drugs, money laundering and other illegal activities, the motivations, the psychology of the individuals involved has a direct bearing on the nature of the activities.
Such is the case with people like Richard Armitage although there are others such as Otto Reich, Michael Ledeen and Colonel ‘Ollie’ North. In fact, the list is so big, and stretches back through the administrations of several successive US presidents, that the relationship between the policies and the individuals has to be viewed as inseparable. One could justifiably argue that breaking the law in order to further US policies is now inseparable part of ‘doing business’.
South East Asia, oil, guns and drugs; Nicaragua guns and drugs; Iran, oil and guns; Israel, guns and oil; Iraq, guns and oil; Saudi Arabia, guns and oil; Albania, drugs and oil; Russia oil and drugs, Central and South America, guns, drugs and oil. In all of these situations the name Richard Armitage crops up time and again over more than thirty years of loyal service to US capitalism.
Outrageous? The global trade in cocaine and heroin is estimated at around $500 BILLION and no doubt this is an under-estimate. The US is the major market for drugs just as it is for oil and in turn it is the world’s number one seller of weapons. Is it any wonder that the three commodities go hand in hand and that the US should be at centre of the global trade in these three valuable commodities.
"Noting the indiscreet arrogance of Wall Street in engaging in criminal behavior, I wrote in May's issue, after Citigroup's brazen acquisition of Mexico's drug money-laundering bank, Banamex, "It doesn't matter anymore whether the American public chooses to notice. The fait accompli is that drug money and criminal money are now out of the closet as the most important determinants of economic success for the US financial system. The careless arrogance of these moves only reveals the utter confidence in Washington, on Wall Street and in the banking system that no voices from the wilderness can stop it." Michael Ruppert
http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/oct152001.html
Strictly speaking, when dealing with politics, the personalities of the people involved are supposedly less important than the context, the power relations, money, class and so forth. But when it comes to the cabal of individuals grouped around the Bush presidency, many of whom have a history of involvement with assassinations, terrorism, drugs, money laundering and other illegal activities, the motivations, the psychology of the individuals involved has a direct bearing on the nature of the activities.
Such is the case with people like Richard Armitage although there are others such as Otto Reich, Michael Ledeen and Colonel ‘Ollie’ North. In fact, the list is so big, and stretches back through the administrations of several successive US presidents, that the relationship between the policies and the individuals has to be viewed as inseparable. One could justifiably argue that breaking the law in order to further US policies is now inseparable part of ‘doing business’.
South East Asia, oil, guns and drugs; Nicaragua guns and drugs; Iran, oil and guns; Israel, guns and oil; Iraq, guns and oil; Saudi Arabia, guns and oil; Albania, drugs and oil; Russia oil and drugs, Central and South America, guns, drugs and oil. In all of these situations the name Richard Armitage crops up time and again over more than thirty years of loyal service to US capitalism.
Outrageous? The global trade in cocaine and heroin is estimated at around $500 BILLION and no doubt this is an under-estimate. The US is the major market for drugs just as it is for oil and in turn it is the world’s number one seller of weapons. Is it any wonder that the three commodities go hand in hand and that the US should be at centre of the global trade in these three valuable commodities.
"Noting the indiscreet arrogance of Wall Street in engaging in criminal behavior, I wrote in May's issue, after Citigroup's brazen acquisition of Mexico's drug money-laundering bank, Banamex, "It doesn't matter anymore whether the American public chooses to notice. The fait accompli is that drug money and criminal money are now out of the closet as the most important determinants of economic success for the US financial system. The careless arrogance of these moves only reveals the utter confidence in Washington, on Wall Street and in the banking system that no voices from the wilderness can stop it." Michael Ruppert
http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/oct152001.html
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I just read the biography of Trudell and it's quite interesting.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Trudell
So he served our country during war time, he couldn't find employment after 6 years of college. And he was disillusioned so decided to be a political activist. And he believs the system is geared toward white needs only. Sounds like he's been through quite a life. That could explain why the video was geared toward Anti-everything except Indians. :dunno Sounds like he thinks he has an axe to grind...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Trudell
So he served our country during war time, he couldn't find employment after 6 years of college. And he was disillusioned so decided to be a political activist. And he believs the system is geared toward white needs only. Sounds like he's been through quite a life. That could explain why the video was geared toward Anti-everything except Indians. :dunno Sounds like he thinks he has an axe to grind...
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he's passionate. the chi-chi white bleeding heart cocktail party crowd loved him back in the late 80's when he was around some of the same circles i was. he did a magnificent film called thunderheart with val kilmer, graham greene and floyd westerman that's a must see for a look at the outraged activist view of things.
i gravitate more toward the elders and their followers. theirs is a beautiful culture and finely attuned to reality, not some construct put on people's consciousness by the lords of the church/state.
I only wonder if we hadn't taken the Indians land what would they be like today. He thinks they have it rough now? And Tommy I'm my own person not swayed by outside influences. I don't care much about the church/state except when COLA says that there has not been a cost of living increase in the US since 2008. That's BS. imo.
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who's COLA? there hasn't been an increase in social security benefits since 2008.
my family wasn't here when the lands were taken, so like the civil war, i won't accept any of the blame from the people that are still fighting either conflict. i think the question should be what would white society be like if the indian nations hadn't been subjugated?
my family wasn't here when the lands were taken, so like the civil war, i won't accept any of the blame from the people that are still fighting either conflict. i think the question should be what would white society be like if the indian nations hadn't been subjugated?
Google it Tommy like I google words that I don't know.
My family wasn't here either so I'm not taking the blame just like you.
That would be a dumb question. Hypothetically I can't envision the Indians ever being the dominant ones in society. But if they were sure things would be different. Can't say if it would be any better or any worse. I can say that there's no sense wasting my time thinking about a hypothetical question like this one. :dunno It is what it is today and to dwell in the past isn't doing anyone any good. Now figuring out how we can get people to get along is something worth thinking about. And the video is not helping matters any for anyone.i think...yes I think bashing is done with malafide intentions...
sermonizing has some other purpose
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