Dwelling on the past? I think we're all guilty of that sweetheart, it's called 'History'.
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Springsteen
Number 2, Rafael!
No, there's history and then there's dwelling on it. It's happened already, move on. Two different things.
So, by your way of thinking, it's totally acceptable to put a leash on a human being and keep him tied up in the backyard feeding him nothing but dogfood?
But that's what History is all about. Heck, there are millions of issues that never made it to a history book of any kind but we still see fit to harp on daily...lol
that's how I spent most of my childhood, didn't do me any harm.
Springsteen
Number 2, Rafael!
No you're missing the point, let me example it.
Let's say you have this American Football team who won the Superbowl 15 years ago by a record score and still to this day talk about it, but since then haven't reached the Superbowl, heck, haven't got anywhere near it. That's called dwelling in the past. Sure it's history in so much as that's what happened, it can't be denied, but dwelling on it goes beyond that.
Springsteen
Number 2, Rafael!
No, I was merely pointing out that dwelling in the past is a different thing to normal history.
Springsteen
Number 2, Rafael!
I guess......
lol only if that human is willing to be leashed, not all animals can be controlled.
History isn't meant to be just written in a book and forgotten. It's something that should be discussed and explored. It doesn't do any good to just read over it quick while never fully understanding it. This thread is a good example of people being ignorant of our history and not understanding the facts... that's why it's important to talk about it.
First to those who even suggested that this video is Anti American... wow! How could you even get to that conclusion? Wouldn't that be the same as you complaining about the illegal immigrants in this country and having them call you anti American for bitching?
I saw him railing against the military industrial complex, the greed, consumerism, the raping of the land, the disregard of human life and various other things. There is nothing wrong with that IMHO
Second, it amazes me that some of you still see Indians as scalping savages. Go look at history and you will see that scalping was something that we, the white man turned into a sport, paying as much as $100 a scalp...
First to those who even suggested that this video is Anti American... wow! How could you even get to that conclusion? Wouldn't that be the same as you complaining about the illegal immigrants in this country and having them call you anti American for bitching?
I saw him railing against the military industrial complex, the greed, consumerism, the raping of the land, the disregard of human life and various other things. There is nothing wrong with that IMHO
Second, it amazes me that some of you still see Indians as scalping savages. Go look at history and you will see that scalping was something that we, the white man turned into a sport, paying as much as $100 a scalp...
I posted this before, but it was the French that encouraged the Indians to scalp.
As for being technologically inferior, that's not strictly true either. It's just that their technology moved along different lines. Remember, that Europe, Africa and Asia and artificial continents - they are all within visual range of each other. Trade and technology go hand in hand, dkrtwr said that the Natives were technologically inferior to the Europeans, that is true in some senses. And false in others. Europeans had gunpowder, but they didn't invent it.
Some examples:
It wasn't until the middle ages that Eurasia invented the number zero. The Meso-American tribes had long before invented zero, at least 2000 years before.
The wheel had been invented in Native American societies, but it was rarely utilised, usually just for use in childrens toys. Nobody is certain as to why this is, perhaps because of mountainious terrain, and a lack of suitable animals to draw wheeled objects (remember that horses are not indigenous to the Americas)
Mayan calenders were superior to their easten counterparts. There were three main Mayan calenders, each charting a different celestial purpose. And contrary to popular legend, none of them end suddenly in 2012.
TommyTooter
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that is easy to say when you are a child of the winning team. the oppression of the native american people continues today.
just like the anti-conspiracy theorists who want to suppress all discussion of the high-level assassinations -- shut up. it was the crazy guy.
this is an unresolved conflict -- not history -- current events.
TommyTooter
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the oppression of native american people started over 500 years ago and continues today. hardly something to be called dead history and to compare the native people's plight to a football team speaks tons about your level of awareness.
TommyTooter
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scalping is an ancient practice that was not that common among native americans and the virginia colonists are often credited with making it popular here by offering a bounty for indian scalps. before the european imperialist invasion, warfare among indian nations was more commonly sport than blood, most often consisting more of jousting and wrestling matches than anything. this is not to say that there were not rogue bands of bandits and killers like any other race.
let's bring the focus back closer to the present. there is this talk of history and how it should be laid to rest. santayana teaches that those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it. in this case, significant events of the past 50 years have not been resolved.
abuses of leaseholders on the reservations are polluting the environment and causing disease. casinos are bringing increased crime, drug abuse and poverty. there is very serious discrimination by police in many cities with large native populations. following is an account of the wounded knee occupation in 1973, considered by many to be like the selma march or the lunchroom sit-ins were for the black civil rights movement, the turning point for the native american civil rights movement.
Siege at wounded knee 1973
In February of 1973 the American Indian Movement and the Lakota Nation made a final stand for Native rights with siege at wounded knee.
In the summer of 1968, two hundred members of the Native American community came together for a meeting to discuss various issues that Indian people of the time were dealing with on an everyday basis. Among these issues were, police brutality, high unemployment rates, and the Federal Government’s policies concerning American Indians.
From this meeting came the birth of the American Indian Movement, commonly known as AIM. With this came the emergence of AIM leaders, such as Dennis Banks and Clyde Bellecourt to name a few.
Little did anyone know that AIM would become instrumental in shaping not only the path of Native Americans across the country, but the eyes of the world would follow AIM protests through the occupation at Alcatraz through the Trail of Broken Treaties, to the final conflict of the 1868 Sioux treaty of the Black Hills. This conflict would begin on February 27, 1973 and last seventy-one days. The occupation became known in history, as the Siege at Wounded Knee.
It began as the American Indian’s stood against government atrocities, and ended in an armed battle with US Armed Forces. Corruption within the BIA and Tribal Council at an all time high, tension on the Pine Ridge Indian reservation was on the increase and quickly getting out of control. With a feeling close to despair, and knowing there was nothing else for them to do, elders of the Lakota Nation asked the American Indian Movement for assistance. This bringing to a head, more than a hundred years of racial tension and a government corruption.
On that winter day in 1973, a large group of armed Native Americans reclaimed Wounded Knee in the name of the Lakota Nation. For the first time in many decades, those Oglala Sioux ruled themselves, free from government intervention, as is their ancient custom. This would become the basis for a TV movie, “Lakota Woman” the true story of Mary Moore Crowdog, and her experiences at the Wounded Knee occupation.
During the preceding months of the Wounded Knee occupation, civil war brewed among the Oglala people. There became a clear-cut between the traditional Lakota people and the more progressive minded government supporters. The traditional people wanted more independence from the Federal Government, as well as honoring of the 1868 Sioux treaty, which was still valid. According to the 1868 treaty, the Black Hills of South Dakota still belonged to the Sioux people, and the traditional people wanted the Federal Government to honor their treaty by returning the sacred Black Hills to the Sioux people.
Another severe problem on the Pine Ridge reservation was the strip mining of the land. The chemicals used by the mining [COLOR=blue !important][COLOR=blue !important]operations[/COLOR][/COLOR] were poisoning the land and the water. People were getting sick, and children were being born with birth defects. The tribal government and its supporters encouraged the strip mining and the sale of the Black Hills to the Federal Government. It is said that at that point in time, the tribal government was not much more than puppets of the BIA. The sacred Black Hills, along with many other problems, had become a wedge that would tear apart the Lakota Nation. Violent confrontations between the traditional people and the GOONS (Guardians of Our Oglala Nation) became an everyday occurrence.
The young AIM warriors, idealistic and defiant, were like a breath of fresh air to the Indian people, and their ideas quickly caught on. When AIM took control of Wounded Knee, over seventy-five different Indian Nations were represented, with more supporters arriving daily from all over the country. Soon United States Armed Forces in the form of Federal Marshals, and the National Guard surrounded the large group. All roads to Wounded Knee were cut off, but still, people slipped through the lines, pouring into the occupied area.
The forces inside Wounded Knee demanded an investigation into misuse of tribal funds; the goon squad’s violent aggression against people who dared speak out against the tribal government. In addition they wanted the Senate Committee to launch an investigation into the BIA and the Department of the Interior regarding their handling of the affairs of the Oglala Sioux Tribe. The warriors also demanded an investigation into the 371 treaties between the Native Nations and the Federal Government, all of which had been broken by the United States.
The warriors that occupied Wounded Knee held fast to these demands and refused to lay down arms until they were met. The government cut off the electricity to Wounded Knee and attempted to keep all food supplies from entering the area.
For the rest of that winter, the men and women inside Wounded Knee lived on minimal resources, while they fought the armed aggression of Federal Forces. Daily, heavy gunfire was issued back and forth between the two sides, but true to their word, they refused to give up.
During the Wounded Knee occupation, they would live in their traditional manner, celebrating a birth, a marriage and they would mourn the death of two of their fellow warriors inside Wounded Knee. AIM member, Buddy Lamont was hit by M16 fire and bled to death inside Wounded Knee.
AIM member, Frank Clearwater was killed by heavy machine gun fire, inside Wounded Knee.
Twelve other individuals were intercepted by the goon squad while back packing supplies into Wounded Knee; they disappeared and were never heard from again. Though the government investigated, by looking for a mass grave in the area, when none was found the investigation was soon dismissed.
Wounded Knee was a great victory for the Oglala Sioux as well as all other Indian Nations. For a short period of time in 1973, they were a free people once more.
After 71 days, the Siege at Wounded Knee had come to an end; with the government making nearly 1200 arrests. But this would only mark the beginning of what was known as the “Reign of Terror” instigated by the FBI and the BIA. During the three years following Wounded Knee, 64 tribal members were unsolved murder victims, 300 harassed and beaten, and 562 arrests were made, and of these arrests only 15 people were convicted of any crime. A large price to pay for 71 days as a free people on the land of one’s ancestors.
let's bring the focus back closer to the present. there is this talk of history and how it should be laid to rest. santayana teaches that those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it. in this case, significant events of the past 50 years have not been resolved.
abuses of leaseholders on the reservations are polluting the environment and causing disease. casinos are bringing increased crime, drug abuse and poverty. there is very serious discrimination by police in many cities with large native populations. following is an account of the wounded knee occupation in 1973, considered by many to be like the selma march or the lunchroom sit-ins were for the black civil rights movement, the turning point for the native american civil rights movement.
Siege at wounded knee 1973
In February of 1973 the American Indian Movement and the Lakota Nation made a final stand for Native rights with siege at wounded knee.
In the summer of 1968, two hundred members of the Native American community came together for a meeting to discuss various issues that Indian people of the time were dealing with on an everyday basis. Among these issues were, police brutality, high unemployment rates, and the Federal Government’s policies concerning American Indians.
From this meeting came the birth of the American Indian Movement, commonly known as AIM. With this came the emergence of AIM leaders, such as Dennis Banks and Clyde Bellecourt to name a few.
Little did anyone know that AIM would become instrumental in shaping not only the path of Native Americans across the country, but the eyes of the world would follow AIM protests through the occupation at Alcatraz through the Trail of Broken Treaties, to the final conflict of the 1868 Sioux treaty of the Black Hills. This conflict would begin on February 27, 1973 and last seventy-one days. The occupation became known in history, as the Siege at Wounded Knee.
It began as the American Indian’s stood against government atrocities, and ended in an armed battle with US Armed Forces. Corruption within the BIA and Tribal Council at an all time high, tension on the Pine Ridge Indian reservation was on the increase and quickly getting out of control. With a feeling close to despair, and knowing there was nothing else for them to do, elders of the Lakota Nation asked the American Indian Movement for assistance. This bringing to a head, more than a hundred years of racial tension and a government corruption.
On that winter day in 1973, a large group of armed Native Americans reclaimed Wounded Knee in the name of the Lakota Nation. For the first time in many decades, those Oglala Sioux ruled themselves, free from government intervention, as is their ancient custom. This would become the basis for a TV movie, “Lakota Woman” the true story of Mary Moore Crowdog, and her experiences at the Wounded Knee occupation.
During the preceding months of the Wounded Knee occupation, civil war brewed among the Oglala people. There became a clear-cut between the traditional Lakota people and the more progressive minded government supporters. The traditional people wanted more independence from the Federal Government, as well as honoring of the 1868 Sioux treaty, which was still valid. According to the 1868 treaty, the Black Hills of South Dakota still belonged to the Sioux people, and the traditional people wanted the Federal Government to honor their treaty by returning the sacred Black Hills to the Sioux people.
Another severe problem on the Pine Ridge reservation was the strip mining of the land. The chemicals used by the mining [COLOR=blue !important][COLOR=blue !important]operations[/COLOR][/COLOR] were poisoning the land and the water. People were getting sick, and children were being born with birth defects. The tribal government and its supporters encouraged the strip mining and the sale of the Black Hills to the Federal Government. It is said that at that point in time, the tribal government was not much more than puppets of the BIA. The sacred Black Hills, along with many other problems, had become a wedge that would tear apart the Lakota Nation. Violent confrontations between the traditional people and the GOONS (Guardians of Our Oglala Nation) became an everyday occurrence.
The young AIM warriors, idealistic and defiant, were like a breath of fresh air to the Indian people, and their ideas quickly caught on. When AIM took control of Wounded Knee, over seventy-five different Indian Nations were represented, with more supporters arriving daily from all over the country. Soon United States Armed Forces in the form of Federal Marshals, and the National Guard surrounded the large group. All roads to Wounded Knee were cut off, but still, people slipped through the lines, pouring into the occupied area.
The forces inside Wounded Knee demanded an investigation into misuse of tribal funds; the goon squad’s violent aggression against people who dared speak out against the tribal government. In addition they wanted the Senate Committee to launch an investigation into the BIA and the Department of the Interior regarding their handling of the affairs of the Oglala Sioux Tribe. The warriors also demanded an investigation into the 371 treaties between the Native Nations and the Federal Government, all of which had been broken by the United States.
The warriors that occupied Wounded Knee held fast to these demands and refused to lay down arms until they were met. The government cut off the electricity to Wounded Knee and attempted to keep all food supplies from entering the area.
For the rest of that winter, the men and women inside Wounded Knee lived on minimal resources, while they fought the armed aggression of Federal Forces. Daily, heavy gunfire was issued back and forth between the two sides, but true to their word, they refused to give up.
During the Wounded Knee occupation, they would live in their traditional manner, celebrating a birth, a marriage and they would mourn the death of two of their fellow warriors inside Wounded Knee. AIM member, Buddy Lamont was hit by M16 fire and bled to death inside Wounded Knee.
AIM member, Frank Clearwater was killed by heavy machine gun fire, inside Wounded Knee.
Twelve other individuals were intercepted by the goon squad while back packing supplies into Wounded Knee; they disappeared and were never heard from again. Though the government investigated, by looking for a mass grave in the area, when none was found the investigation was soon dismissed.
Wounded Knee was a great victory for the Oglala Sioux as well as all other Indian Nations. For a short period of time in 1973, they were a free people once more.
After 71 days, the Siege at Wounded Knee had come to an end; with the government making nearly 1200 arrests. But this would only mark the beginning of what was known as the “Reign of Terror” instigated by the FBI and the BIA. During the three years following Wounded Knee, 64 tribal members were unsolved murder victims, 300 harassed and beaten, and 562 arrests were made, and of these arrests only 15 people were convicted of any crime. A large price to pay for 71 days as a free people on the land of one’s ancestors.
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