Israel kills aids flotilla crew

[mhtal3at]

lets put this into perspective....israel is a jewish country,the jews have been the most oppressed people in the history of mankind.they want to defend themselves at all cost from neighbouring countries who truly hate them

Who truly hate them in return.

Guys!
I am a neibouring one, an Egyptian one, really, if ISrael knocks it off I'd not hate it, and so as everyone.

We are Muslims, and Islam says not to fight if the one fighting you knocked it off, no need to avenge.
I know you don't like quoting, but it's to prove my point, and clear our case, and prove it's all about Israel:


8. Surat Al-Anfal, Medinan, 75 verses
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(61) But if the enemy incline towards peace, do thou (also) incline towards peace, and trust in Allah. for He is One that heareth and knoweth (all things).

 

[mhtal3at]

in your post 15

I was so happy to so read, It feels good to avenge who disrepute you and makes you look like badguys. The whole world thinks the Arabs are terrorists, and support antisemitism , while you can see lots of terrorism in this video, and no Arabs.

you said the whole world thinks arabs are terrorists and are all anti semitic, or words to that effect. That I maintain is simply not true, not everybody susscribes to such an extreme point of view

and by avenge I meant to expose basing on true evidence before they start their pretexts.
which was a response to post #4

It's the lead story on the Guardian tonight:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/may/31/israel-accused-state-terrorism-assault-flotilla-gaza

that's probably more spreading than any of us could do.

and by avenge I meant to expose basing on true evidence before they start their pretexts.


Now tell me what extreme point of view u mean, that Arabs are the semitism itself? well I can bring you evidences from historical books if that's what u mean, it's the truth, that Israel accuses Arabs are antisemitism if that's what you mean, and which I can falsify gently by the evidences I told you about 2 sentences ago.

 

[retro]

Who truly hate them in return.

Guys!
I am a neibouring one, an Egyptian one, really, if ISrael knocks it off I'd not hate it, and so as everyone.

We are Muslims, and Islam says not to fight if the one fighting you knocked it off, no need to avenge.
I know you don't like quoting, but it's to prove my point, and clear our case, and prove it's all about Israel:


8. Surat Al-Anfal, Medinan, 75 verses
٨

(61) But if the enemy incline towards peace, do thou (also) incline towards peace, and trust in Allah. for He is One that heareth and knoweth (all things).

Thank you for proving that you're nothing more than another blind zealot that can't see past his religion.

 

[mhtal3at]

Thank you for proving that you're nothing more than another blind zealot that can't see past his religion.

You are right, I have proven the point I wanted to prove, and with your words I know the meaning I got across to you, and now your words are the sweetest compliment I have ever had to prove me right. Thanks again, sweetie!

 

[retro]

You are right, I have proven the point I wanted to prove, and with your words I know the meaning I got across to you, and now your words are the sweetest compliment I have ever had to prove me right. Thanks again, sweetie!

You're proud of being blinded by your religion? :24:

 

[Minor Axis]

Well, the sides in this discussion are staked out pretty clearly, Israel is completely in the right/wrong.

 

[mhtal3at]

Well, the sides in this discussion are staked out pretty clearly, Israel is completely in the right/wrong.

In the right...way of its end(says so in the Torah)

 

[Tuffdisc]

So it takes over 500 people on a ship to unload it?

Oh and I am certain the there never are any weapons on these ships

This was a political stunt by the protesters and they paid dearly

Maybe next time when they are given a warning they might pay attention.

Gaza doesn't have the shipping facilities like most ports, so it probably would take 500 people+ to unload a ship that is in need of urgent delivery.

Gaza doesn't have much land to itself, plus the Israelis are putting settlements in the Gaza strip, hence ruining more chances of agricultural land for the Gaza strip

 

[Tuffdisc]

You may want to get ready for phase II

I heard the idiots are going to try to send another ship or ships over despite this and another warning.

There are proper ways to get aid there. It is a political act to do it any other way.

We have seen it time and time again, despite condemnation from the US and UK, they feel obliged just to say words, it is no wonder why Israel thinks it can do what it like. I am all for a peaceful settlement, but feel if the UK, and particularly the US got on board with more than just words, I reckon Israel would stop their bullying attitude. I am also against Hezbollah and other acts of violence against the State of Israel, but actions like this, is not helpful, people do have the right to have humanitarian aid.

Yes, if they had proof that they were carrying arms, I would be glad if that ship got stopped, than reach Hezbollah(sp?)

 

[porterjack]

and by avenge I meant to expose basing on true evidence before they start their pretexts.
which was a response to post #4




and by avenge I meant to expose basing on true evidence before they start their pretexts.


Now tell me what extreme point of view u mean, that Arabs are the semitism itself? well I can bring you evidences from historical books if that's what u mean, it's the truth, that Israel accuses Arabs are antisemitism if that's what you mean, and which I can falsify gently by the evidences I told you about 2 sentences ago.

to put it simply to state that the WHOLE world thinks Arabs are terrorists is both wrong and naive

i say nothing to your comment about avenging

 

[mhtal3at]

Gaza doesn't have the shipping facilities like most ports, so it probably would take 500 people+ to unload a ship that is in need of urgent delivery.

Gaza doesn't have much land to itself, plus the Israelis are putting settlements in the Gaza strip, hence ruining more chances of agricultural land for the Gaza strip

Exactly, and it was not only one ship, they brought a big cargo that takes more than just a flotilla.
Israel is the biggest(piggest) terrorist ever.

 

[Accountable]

Well, the sides in this discussion are staked out pretty clearly, Israel is completely in the right/wrong.

:nod::nod::crazy::nod:

 

[mhtal3at]

to put it simply to state that the WHOLE world thinks Arabs are terrorists is both wrong and naive.

i say nothing to your comment about avenging

Well if not the whole world that thinks it's Arabs are terrorists, then the whole world believes and is sure that Muslims are.

 

[mhtal3at]

We have seen it time and time again, despite condemnation from the US and UK, they feel obliged just to say words, it is no wonder why Israel thinks it can do what it like. I am all for a peaceful settlement, but feel if the UK, and particularly the US got on board with more than just words, I reckon Israel would stop their bullying attitude. I am also against Hezbollah and other acts of violence against the State of Israel, but actions like this, is not helpful, people do have the right to have humanitarian aid.

Yes, if they had proof that they were carrying arms, I would be glad if that ship got stopped, than reach Hezbollah(sp?)

If you know the reality of Hezbollah and what they want, you'll not be against Hezbollah.

They have no proof of it carrying weapons, it's Israel, the best Media falsifiers, they would show it and get it on tape buddy.
They falsify the truth, and make things up out of the stupid imagination of them, it will only take a minute of their time to show weapons, but it's not true so they have some hard time making up a good lie, they got the whole US nation with them, and you know how people (at least most of them) are easy to believe false news that Israel is the good guy, and the Arabs are the terrorists, silly huh!

 

[edgray]

:nod::nod::crazy::nod:

the third from the left looks like how I feel.

 

[Accountable]

It's a question of how far back do we want to go? The current Israeli state wasn't created organically or even by Jewish conquest. It was carved out by Europeans for (I'm thinking) purely political purposes. Prior to that, if I've got this right since it's kinda new to me, it was a British colony. I can't imagine that happening through cordial invitation.

Prior to that .... ??

How far back to we want to go? If we stay just within the 20th century, it seems to me the land's ownership is in fair dispute. If I were king of the world I'd probably fence the whole area off and let the residents slug it out until they came to a conclusion.

I'm gonna have to read up on the area's history.

 

[porterjack]

Well if not the whole world that thinks it's Arabs are terrorists, then the whole world believes and is sure that Muslims are.

complete and utter crap, there can be no doubt that after the events of 911 there was a backlash against Muslims, but not as widespread as you seem to beleive, how the hell do you expect there be continued acceptance and understanding of other culture and religion if you approach with such blinkered ignorance

 

[MoonOwl]

No weapons on stormed Turkish ship: Report

ANKARA - A Turkish customs official on Monday denied Israeli allegations that activists aboard a Turkish aid ship for Gaza stormed by Israeli forces possessed weapons, the Anatolia news agency reported.

"Allegations that there were weapons aboard the Turkish ship are baseless," Fevzi Gulcan, the head of customs at the Mediterranean port city of Antalya, told Anatolia.

Passengers on the ship, the Mavi Marmara, were allowed on board after they were searched by security officers and x-ray scanners before setting out into the Mediterranean on their mission, he added.

The vessel was one of six ships in a fleet bound for Gaza with 10,000 tonnes of aid supplies that were stormed by Israeli navy commandoes in a deadly operation before dawn on Monday.

Read more: http://www.vancouversun.com/weapons+stormed+Turkish+ship+Report/3092005/story.html#ixzz0ph6AjTuL


Just thought I'd pass it on..........
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[Tuffdisc]

If you know the reality of Hezbollah and what they want, you'll not be against Hezbollah.

They have no proof of it carrying weapons, it's Israel, the best Media falsifiers, they would show it and get it on tape buddy.
They falsify the truth, and make things up out of the stupid imagination of them, it will only take a minute of their time to show weapons, but it's not true so they have some hard time making up a good lie, they got the whole US nation with them, and you know how people (at least most of them) are easy to believe false news that Israel is the good guy, and the Arabs are the terrorists, silly huh!

Well, I have heard that they don't want the state of Israel to exist, enough to say that both are as bad as each other

 

[Alien Allen]

Hmm so what is up with this eh?

You mean these were just peace activists trying to bring in aid?

Just asking

Flotilla financed by terror

Jonathan Schanzer

The Turkish organizers of the Gaza Strip-bound flotilla that was boarded by Israeli commandos knew well in advance that their vessels would never reach Israeli waters. That's because the organizers belong to a nonprofit that was banned by the Israeli government in July 2008 for its ties to terrorism finance.

The Turkish IHH was founded in 1992, and reportedly popped up on the CIA's radar in 1996 for its radical Islamist leanings. Like many other Islamist charities, the IHH has a record of providing relief to areas where disaster has struck in the Muslim world. However, the organization is not a force for good.


The Turkish nonprofit belongs to a Saudi-based umbrella organization known to finance terrorism called the Union of Good. Notably, the union is chaired by Sheikh Yusuf Qaradawi, who is known best for his religious ruling that encourages suicide attacks against Israeli civilians. According to one report, Qaradawi personally transferred millions of dollars to the union in an effort to provide financial support to Hamas.

In 2008, the Israelis banned IHH, along with 35 other Islamist charities worldwide, for its ties to the Union of Good. This was a follow-on designation; Israelis first blocked the Union of Good from operating in the West Bank and Gaza in 2002.

Interestingly, the Union of Good may not only be tied to Hamas. Included in the Israeli list of 36 designees was the International Islamic Relief Organization. In 2006, both the U.S. government and the United Nations designated the IIRO branch offices in Indonesia and the Philippines for financing al-Qaida. French magistrate Jean-Louis Brougiere also testified that IHH had an "important role" in Ahmed Ressam's failed "millennium plot" to bomb the Los Angeles airport in late 1999.

The U.S. government, it should be noted, also views the Union of Good as a terrorist organization.
On Nov. 12, 2008, a press release from the U.S. Treasury announced the umbrella group's leaders as Specially Designated Global Terrorists, stating that the group was "created by Hamas leadership to transfer funds to the terrorist organization."

From The Detroit News: http://www.detnews.com/article/2010...008/Flotilla-financed-by-terror#ixzz0phIsraPF
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