Israel kills aids flotilla crew
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so pre-emptive killing is justified, is it? you support the Bush Doctrine?
Israel have used underhanded tactics before to achieve the results they want.
Look at the recent episode where they FORGED aussie passports to assassinate the Hamas leader in Dubai.
Not just Aussie ones, but British as well.
No AMerican ones though
Yeah, I know...Offtopic, but I think its relevant.
Actually totally on topic. really shows what the good ol' Israelis are up to.
Try the Institute for International Studies... a Danish organization
http://www.diis.dk/graphics/Publications/WP2006/DIIS WP 2006-7.web.pdf
So you obviously believe the people who were proclaiming themselves martyrs before the voyage even began?
I don't believe that the Palestinians should be wiped out... but I do believe that Hamas is a terrorist organization that she be obliterated. [/quote]
You do realize that Israel offered a full Palestinian state prior to the second Intifada right? But Arafat and the PLO turned it down and pulled the strings behind the scenes to launch the second Intifada instead so he could keep control of the money flowing in. The Palestinians, led by Hamas, indiscriminately kill civilians in their "war" for freedom... so if I was Israel, I'd sure as fuck want to check the supplies coming into the country prior to them being distributed to terrorists.
yes let's put this into perspective.
The Palestinians had their land given away from them by the a highly oppressive British regime to the Israeli's who immediately began a campaign of oppression against a far smaller and weaker people. Since then the Palestinians have been systematically attacked and brutalised.
Israel have done so with the full support of the international community, until recently, because of that very opinion.
The Jews suffered greatly in WW2. Massively. Everyone feels for their people. But they are now doing what Hitler did to them. And, more to the point, a growing number of Israelis are realising just how wrong it is.
the british regime were so oppressive they gave a people a homeland?...with the support of the international community
look at history,the jews have always been oppressed,it wasn't only the nazi's,the romans,the crusaders hunted jews too...the list is long...israel are a paranoid race of people
now i'll agree that if you see this action on face value it looks bad,but lets see what emerges before any rash judgements are made
and by the way....i think the turks need looking at too
An interesting read, I'll look through it fully when I get a moment. Are the Danes are known for their international intelligence? :shrug:
Remember, when the whole WMD thing happened, lots of these official documents surfaced. Everything in them turned out to be false.
all 600 - odd passengers claimed that, did they? Even the Nobel peace prize laureate on board?
The only reason Hamas are in power is because the people of Palestine need them. But seeing as its a well established fact that Israel are one of the world's biggest terrorist nations, you think they should be obliterated too?
The Israeli's who already enjoy freedom, indiscriminately kill civilians for what exactly?
So you don't think it's right for an oppressed people to rise up? You cannot be 100% sure of the origins of the second Intifada. No one is. And Arrafat didn't turn down the offer, he'd not long been awarded the Nobel Peace prize for his efforts. Both sides disagreed, not just the Palestinians.
Arrafat wanted to distance himself from terrorism
Also read:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oslo_Accords
You'd know how terroristic this attack was if someone you love got murdered over there. I mean that there were no Arabs among the passengers, most were some demonstrators, but never got to demonstrate.
Israel made peace with Egypt, where do you get such information.
When Israel occupied Sinai, Egypt wanted to make peace with Israel, but in vain. So, after several failed attempts of retrying to make peace, Egypt declared war against Israel and won over it, then Egypt made peace, and all Arabs condemned Egypt of normalization with Israel, but Egypt went through it and made peace.
in your post 15 you said the whole world thinks arabs are terrorists and are all anti semitic, or words to that effect. That I maintain is simply not true, not everybody susscribes to such an extreme point of view
There is nothing wrong following the Qur'an, As I said before Qur'an never said to murder people or innocent(towards which subject that is irrelevant to what the topic is about) And trust me, a society that completely follows the Quran is going to be the best society ever, the problem now is that it is not completely followed, I hope you bring me some Quran verses that enthuses extremitism.
The system followed in AL Qaeda is completely followed, but not completely Islamic, which is the reason why they look very bad.
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The Israelis made peace with the other nations under growing international pressure. And most likely because they aren't on the Jews "holy land" I don't get that...
I see you want to get us off point here, suicide bombing stopped about 5 years ago, no need to justify killing demonstrators by suicide bombing, you remind of what Israelis who say that they occupied Palestine in 1948 because of the Intifada(the 21st century) and the suicide bombing.
Even if there are extremists(which is 100% wrong) are just a resistance movement to defend Palestine, I am not with terrorism and do not accuse me of supporting killing civilians(because simply you love civilians and only civilians of Israel, and you'd like other civilians to be killed because they are terrorists whatever blah blah blah)
You are a true example of the Israeli way of getting people off point(suicide bombing is over about 4 or 5 years ago, find another excuse for killing innocent civilians)
When I see people who are for Israel arguing over killing civilians I see they are anti-Palestinian, but now, they are anti-humanity, and for killing any possible aids for dying civilians. All because Israel wants no Palestinian, and they have plans to rule the world, which you either will never believe whatever evidence I bring you, or know it any deny it.
The only way Israel can go through peace is war, which is what Egypt did, Egypt wanted peace but Israelis never did, until got beaten in war, and actually, Egypt went through a hard time with Arabs who still condemn it of normalization with Israel, and they don't want so because they know the plans to take over the middle East(if not the whole world) if you focus on the Israeli flag, you'll find two blue lines, that represent the boarders of the Hebrew country, covered under the umbrella of religion(David's star), and you know that there is some problems on behalf of Israel, Egypt normalizes, peace talks, lets go of lots of things including the cause of killing Egyptian captives in 1973 the in the October War, and Egypt exports Natural Gas to Israel as a subsidized commodity, while people inside Egypt have big problems getting the gas, and is sold inside more than it is outside, now tell me who wants peace and who doesn't!
Peace is all about giving people their rights, giving Palestinians their land, and make Israelis go live somewhere else with people who love them and argue for them.
The issue of Palestinians wanting peace is that Palestine wants peace, and Israel doesn't.
Palestinians want peace so they struggle to get their land, and Israel doesn't so it kills and murders and massacres, and always find someone who argue for it for no possible reason, and when they lose(as always happens) they try to get Off Point. Now, show me your best at getting it off point.
You were wrong, they want all of their country back. However, blood is the only way to get peace with Israel.
Suicide bombing stopped, and international terrorism Israel are engaged in hasn't yet. SO, they have to find another excuse but they are not that smart, are they?
Stealing another country's land, and terminating the resistance, then live in peace. Really, how do you sleep at night(sure you'll get us off point and say: I sleep like a baby.
These blockades are plan B for Israel of killing Palestinians, I mean to make them all die out, after using Phosphoric bombing on them all in 2008, I am no surprised they justify occupying Palestine in 1948 because of the Intifada, this topic is getting better and better.
What you say about demos (paraphrasing) "we'll have one of two happy endings. Either we'll make it to Gaza or we'll be martyrs" whatever is in no where but Israeli news papers, do the math and see what I said in the beginning, otherwise, why did Israel allege so after and only after 2 days of the terrorism attack upon civilians, I mean, they have been in the waters for days, and the last time they made a statement was when they were on land, so we should have heard this a week ago, and Israel never said they were going to kill, just won't let in. And if so they wanted to do, they shouldn't have killed civilians, in International Waters, so, it's the responsibility of every single nation that they defend they violated rights of these people.
After all, no one can deny that Israel is the biggest and only terrorist.
:thumbup It's top relevant if I can say.Israel have used underhanded tactics before to achieve the results they want.
Look at the recent episode where they FORGED aussie passports to assassinate the Hamas leader in Dubai.
Not just Aussie ones, but British as well.
No AMerican ones though
Yeah, I know...Offtopic, but I think its relevant.
Says who? Captain Israel?
Just prove that you didn't come up with them, and I knew so since I posted this topic, all I wanted was to make people turn their brains on, and not believe everything(ever) that Israel alleges, or come up with it themselves.
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