Is it time to legalize pot and reduce the death rate of tobacco and alcohol?

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So if we legalize murder than we are protected from the murderers?
if we remove age restrictions on ciggarrettes and alcohol we stop underage consumption?
how is this a logic conclusion that if we legalize drugs we protect our children?
 
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Someone seems to be talking like the dismantling of the Alcohol prohibition has lead to no bootleggers..

This could be furthest from the truth.. Even here in Canada Land, where that person is from, people still make and run illegal alcohol.. Not only that but some people buy it and sell it to kids, underage, that end up hooked ( alcoholics ) on it even at the high cost, taxed to the heavens, so that our medical system can reclaw back some of the cost associated with alcohol abuse and effects on people.

I understand the logic behind wanting to tax pot and I am not opposed to it, but the issue I think people don't realize is it will not make drug dealers disappear nor will it solve any debt issue as any and all Governments will absorb all these new revenues and make them disappear into general taxation instead of using them for the proper use it should go to for starters.

Decriminalization and education should be the first and foremost first steps to doing anything. Your not going to stop those who already use it but you can educate those who have not yet started.
 

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Thanks for thinking that little old me had the power to create what we have here and now.

You worry about children while promoting a system that keeps pushers at them while speaking against a system that has proven to be better than prohibition.

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DL

How is anyone promoting pushers.... That's a pretty strong claim
 

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So if we legalize murder than we are protected from the murderers?
if we remove age restrictions on ciggarrettes and alcohol we stop underage consumption?
how is this a logic conclusion that if we legalize drugs we protect our children?

Once you understand how the pretzel is made it all makes sense
 

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Man,

His argument states that if you support keeping drugs illegal than ipso facto you support drug dealers.....don't ask me how that logic twists together but that's his opinion....
 

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Man,

His argument states that if you support keeping drugs illegal than ipso facto you support drug dealers.....don't ask me how that logic twists together but that's his opinion....

I was being sarcastic ... am posting from a phone so didnt get a smiley in.. i was actually backing you... even if you are a democrat ....insert smiley here
 

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Thanks for thinking that little old me had the power to create what we have here and now.

You worry about children while promoting a system that keeps pushers at them while speaking against a system that has proven to be better than prohibition.

Regards
DL


Thanks for thinking that little old me had the power to create what we have here and now.
Interesting attempt at spin.
Look back at your postings.....you are arguing to remove the stop gaps and safety measures that are designed to keep children safe and you make removal the center of you argument to create a legalized culture of drug abuse and addiction.
You are certainly not arguing for status quo.......you're arguing to make it worse.



You worry about children.......
Go back and reread the crap you've posted in this thread.......you made the health and safety of children a focus and it's obvious from even simple common sense....if harmful drugs are easily and legally accessed .....and as you did argue, education is held from them......there are going to increases in children being hurt.
Your argument is despicable using children in this manner.


[quote...]while promoting a system that keeps pushers at them... [/quote]
There you go.....making up stuff again.
I'm the one arguing for decriminalization, not the status quo......or are those words too big for you to understand?

.....while speaking against a system that has proven to be better than prohibition
Then it's up to you to prove a cultural model of drug abuse and addiction is beneficial to the welfare of a modern technological society.
I'm sure you can't.
I am sure you post unfounded claims.
I've been addressing that crap for many many pages :D.....:p
I will say this, if nothing else, you are persistent.......:tooth
 
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So if we legalize murder than we are protected from the murderers?
if we remove age restrictions on ciggarrettes and alcohol we stop underage consumption?
how is this a logic conclusion that if we legalize drugs we protect our children?

What protection are you giving them now?
Can you prevent them from getting whatever they want?
No you cannot because you have no control of the pushers.

Has prohibition worked? No it has not.

Did the repeal of prohibition with alcohol help us? Yes it did.
How, by control of supply.

Who, if not the pharmaceutical companies, would control supply?
Who, other than the medical side, could prescribe any of these drugs?
No one to both questions.

This would cover our bases and give us the moral position to then treat pushers even more severely than today. We could basically prove that they target children and we then have the moral right to get them hard.

Do the math.

Regards
DL
 

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Someone seems to be talking like the dismantling of the Alcohol prohibition has lead to no bootleggers..

This could be furthest from the truth.. Even here in Canada Land, where that person is from, people still make and run illegal alcohol.. Not only that but some people buy it and sell it to kids, underage, that end up hooked ( alcoholics ) on it even at the high cost, taxed to the heavens, so that our medical system can reclaw back some of the cost associated with alcohol abuse and effects on people.

I understand the logic behind wanting to tax pot and I am not opposed to it, but the issue I think people don't realize is it will not make drug dealers disappear nor will it solve any debt issue as any and all Governments will absorb all these new revenues and make them disappear into general taxation instead of using them for the proper use it should go to for starters.

Decriminalization and education should be the first and foremost first steps to doing anything. Your not going to stop those who already use it but you can educate those who have not yet started.

Sure there is still the odd moonshiner. Very odd.
There will be the odd pot grower as well.
Should we bring back alcohol prohibition because of these few? No.
Just like the new pot system would have a few exemptions but overall it is still worth getting rid of the huge numbers of pushers.

Regards
DL
 

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Did the repeal of prohibition with alcohol help us? Yes it did.
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Do the math.

Regards
DL

No, the repeal had no positive effect in reducing alcohol abuse over time.
As I have demonstrated with statistics of current alcohol abuse, our society merely copes poorly with the situation and has largely accepted the consequences of it's failure to protect itself.


Do the math.
Accept reality rather than the fantasy you've constructed.
 

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Sure there is still the odd moonshiner. Very odd.
There will be the odd pot grower as well.
Should we bring back alcohol prohibition because of these few? No.
Just like the new pot system would have a few exemptions but overall it is still worth getting rid of the huge numbers of pushers.

Regards
DL

Again, making up claims, I see :D....:p
 

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Thanks for thinking that little old me had the power to create what we have here and now.

You worry about children while promoting a system that keeps pushers at them while speaking against a system that has proven to be better than prohibition.

Regards
DL


How is anyone promoting pushers.... That's a pretty strong claim


I said promoting a system. Pay attention.

Regards
DL


@ The Man........see what I've been putting up with? :D

@ GIA......The Man obviously got it right.......you are accusing me of promoting pushers when it's the opposite. Your argument is to allow legal access from any source while the last Rand report that includes blackmarket pot contradicts your claims. You actually concocted a fantasy of doctors becoming the 'new pushers' by legalizing prescriptions ....for drugs to be used recreationally.
What were you thinking? :D
 

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@ The Man........see what I've been putting up with? :D

@ GIA......The Man obviously got it right.......you are accusing me of promoting pushers when it's the opposite. Your argument is to allow legal access from any source while the last Rand report that includes blackmarket pot contradicts your claims. You actually concocted a fantasy of doctors becoming the 'new pushers' by legalizing prescriptions ....for drugs to be used recreationally.
What were you thinking? :D

What the experts are thinking. You should do some reading.
Then again, they are not as expert as you are.

Regards
DL
 

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Sure there is still the odd moonshiner. Very odd.
There will be the odd pot grower as well.
Should we bring back alcohol prohibition because of these few? No.
Just like the new pot system would have a few exemptions but overall it is still worth getting rid of the huge numbers of pushers.

But you are not getting rid of pushers.. Your only replacing them from illegal to legal ones.. ;)
 

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What the experts are thinking. You should do some reading.
Then again, they are not as expert as you are.

Regards
DL


Those were your words and your claim and The Man obviously read it correctly.
Denying it is silly.

And as far as decriminalizing pot use/abuse......you've provided no expert opinion inferring that decriminalization of use/abuse would promote pushers.
You make unfounded claims.

The object is to decrease drug abuse where it's a societal hazard.....your argument is to increase use/abuse that would obviously increase the detrimental effects drug abuse/addiction has on our society, which you aren't even a member of since you live outside the US and are not a US citizen.
Why are you so intent on attacking the US and corrupting it with drug abuse/addiction issues?
 

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But you are not getting rid of pushers.. Your only replacing them from illegal to legal ones.. ;)

Correct. A qualified one who will not sell to children.

Better the devil you know and control than the hidden one that governments control without public knowledge.

Regards
DL
 
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