Is it time to legalize pot and reduce the death rate of tobacco and alcohol?

[Greatest I am]

That is a pretty bold claim..can you point out examples?

Like I promote drug abuse.

Regards
DL

 

[The Man]

Everything from freedom of the individual to us giving poor examples of laws to our young and ignoring the first principle of morality. Care for the young with the minimum of harm.

Regards
DL

But how does legalizing pot reduce tobacco usage ....how is freedom to use pot...make one choose to not use tobacco as a freedom as well

 

[The Man]

I was speaking mostly for those generations coming up.

Those already addicted will not be helped by the new system.


Addiction research does postulate that physical addiction, as opposed to mental addiction, can be eliminated in some cases by just switching drugs on a daily basis and thus, doses stay smaller and physical addiction will not happen.

I think that if pot did become the smoke of choice, lung cancer in coming generations will plummet.
There is a lot of evidence that pot smoke is benign when compared to tobacco smoke. Even in the U S, stats for some years show 0 deaths are attributed to pot while tobacco stats are quite high.

Regards
DL

What will stop them from trying tobacco

 

[The Man]

Who said drinkers would stop drinking?

The newer generation, seeing the trouble drinking brings as compared to pot, will likely choose pot.

Regards
DL

Isnt that one of your proposition..to prevent alcohol abuse.

People dont need to see the dangers of pot to see the dangers of alcohol GIA.

 

[Stone]

I was speaking mostly for those generations coming up.

Those already addicted will not be helped by the new system.


Addiction research does postulate that physical addiction, as opposed to mental addiction, can be eliminated in some cases by just switching drugs on a daily basis and thus, doses stay smaller and physical addiction will not happen.

I think that if pot did become the smoke of choice, lung cancer in coming generations will plummet.
There is a lot of evidence that pot smoke is benign when compared to tobacco smoke. Even in the U S, stats for some years show 0 deaths are attributed to pot while tobacco stats are quite high.

Regards
DL

The drugs nicotine and THC are not really comparable alternates.
Both done by inhalation, but THC more for recreation and exhilaration. Not sure why nicotine would be enjoyed other than to satisfy an ongoing addiction to it, and it's not satisfaction as much as temporarily alleviating the effects of the addiction .
Pot and alcohol might be considered alternates, but the link I posted earlier confirmed, on another web page, that usage was often a combination of both rather than leaving alcohol for pot.

So your argument doesn't really hold up unless you are going to reinvent Prohibition for alcohol and tobacco. And the forum already knows that's not your position.
So......another contradiction in your argument.

 

[The Man]

Like I promote drug abuse.

Regards
DL

You are in argument for legalizing a mood altering substance correct?

 

[Stone]

Abuse of port. Seriously?

Pot abusers, whatever that is, fall asleep. Big deal.

Regards
DL

Maybe it's your age that puts you to sleep?

The issue, as mentioned by me many times is the creation of a culture of drug abuse.
Not whether GIA gets a little tipsy and falls asleep.
It's not about you, it's about the effects on society that legalizing drug abuse is of concern.

 

[Stone]

Who said drinkers would stop drinking?

The newer generation, seeing the trouble drinking brings as compared to pot, will likely choose pot.

Regards
DL

Not according to the stats at this web site:

http://www.adolescent-substance-abuse.com/binge-drinking-underage.html

In 2000, underage persons who reported binge drinking (43 percent) were more likely to report past month use of any illicit drug than were their peers who did not binge drink (6 percent). Underage persons who reported binge drinking were almost 9 times more likely to have used marijuana/hashish during the past month and were more than 6 times more likely to have used any illicit drug other than marijuana during the past month compared with underage persons who did not binge drink.

 

[Stone]

Like I promote drug abuse.

Regards
DL

Did you or did you not advance a theory early in one of the pot threads that would legalize drug abuse through the medical prescription of those recreational drugs?

 

[The Man]

GIA hows does Stones post below distort your position?

GIA....seriously...I suggest you reread the posts you've been making.
Many don't make sense, are contradictory and contrary to logic.
With each and every attempt to spin your argument, you create even more confusion.


It is currently illegal to sell the drugs in question, to minors.
It is currently illegal to give the drugs in question, to minors.

The moral position is already there.

Your argument to legalize drugs is a position that undermines the concept of abstinence and promotes indulgence. And it's logic crosses age boundaries.
You aren't protecting children at all.
You are prepping them for a future. A non-desirable future.
And worse....apparently using them for your own goals. To legalize drug abuse... :thumbdown

 

[Alien Allen]

Jack, how can you refer to creating a culture of drug abuse?

We already are there. IMO

 

[The Man]

Jack, how can you refer to creating a culture of drug abuse?

We already are there. IMO

The idea is to curb it not promote it

 

[Stone]

Jack, how can you refer to creating a culture of drug abuse?

We already are there. IMO

Would you feel better if I referenced it as the attempt to create a legal culture of drug abuse significantly bigger than the illegal one now in existence?

 

[Stone]

Jack, how can you refer to creating a culture of drug abuse?

We already are there. IMO

Or.....how about I refer to the current illegal activity as a sub-culture and proponents for legalizing drug abuse/addiction essentially are arguing to main stream it to reimage society as a new 'American Dream' ?

Does sound better?

 

[Stone]

....................... reimage society as a new 'American Dream' ?

............................

Instead of a chicken in every pot, it would be pot in every ........well, you get the idea



I suspect a lot more people would appreciate the 'pancake' joke :24:

 

[Alien Allen]

Or.....how about I refer to the current illegal activity as a sub-culture and proponents for legalizing drug abuse/addiction essentially are arguing to main stream it to reimage society as a new 'American Dream' ?

Does sound better?

You got it backwards. The new American Dream for poor kids for years has been to ignore school and sell drugs.

For those their education consists of how to abuse the system as teens or younger being mules for the drug kings. In the expectation to becoming a drug king.

 

[Stone]

You got it backwards. The new American Dream for poor kids for years has been to ignore school and sell drugs.

For those their education consists of how to abuse the system as teens or younger being mules for the drug kings. In the expectation to becoming a drug king.

That may be your version of the 'American Dream', but it's not the common one that's been shared over many decades by most Americans.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Dream


Of humorous interest:
http://hoover.archives.gov/info/faq.html#chicken

During the 1928 presidential campaign, did Herbert Hoover really promise "a chicken in every pot and a car in every garage?" The Hoover campaign used a variety of slogans in 1928 including "Vote for Prosperity," "Lest We Forget" (referring to Hoover's World War I relief work), and "Who but Hoover?"
Other slogans were introduced by Hoover supporters, often without direct input from Mr. Hoover. The link between Hoover and the phrase "a chicken in every pot" can be traced to a paid advertisement which apparently originated with the Republican National Committee, who inserted it into a number of newspapers during the 1928 campaign. The ad described in detail how the Republican administrations of Harding and Coolidge had "reduced hours and increased earning capacity, silenced discontent, put the proverbial 'chicken in every pot.' And a car in every backyard, to boot." The ad concluded that a vote for Hoover would be a vote for continued prosperity.

Interesting how times have changed.

Now it's pot in every den




Nice try, though.....better logic than I've been seeing from GIA

 

[Alien Allen]

That may be your version of the 'American Dream', but it's not the common one that's been shared over many decades by most Americans.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Dream

Yeah right... The typical kid in Detroit believes in that definition of the American Dream.......

You must be drunk or on pain killers to ignore what is going on in poor neighborhoods.

Also according to liberals the American Dream you cite is dead isn't it?

 

[The Man]

Yeah right... The typical kid in Detroit believes in that definition of the American Dream.......

You must be drunk or on pain killers to ignore what is going on in poor neighborhoods.

Also according to liberals the American Dream you cite is dead isn't it?

We do not determine ones dream..but offer them the chance to live it.
If the kids in Detroit have dreams to become pushers..thats their dream.
No gates are present in Detroit to hold one their.

No successful kids from Detroit?
All pushers?....I mean if everyone is a pusher..who you gonna push to if they are already a pusher?

 

[Stone]

Yeah right... The typical kid in Detroit believes in that definition of the American Dream.......

You must be drunk or on pain killers to ignore what is going on in poor neighborhoods.

Also according to liberals the American Dream you cite is dead isn't it?

Is it your argument that life isn't worth living sober because you've lost 'your' moral and ethical base? Or that others lives aren't worth living sober because you've lost 'your' moral and ethical base?
Is the rush and pleasure of abusing drugs so great for you, you care little about the welfare of others around you?

The typical kid in Detroit believes in that definition of the American Dream.......

I gave you the generally accepted version, not addict alley in your back yard.
That you disagree is telling of your intentions to use those youth that believe there is little to no hope, for your own selfish purposes....which will likely push greater numbers of youth to those positions.
All by arguing drug abuse is an acceptable way of life--------------> :thumbdown

You must be drunk or on pain killers to ignore what is going on in poor neighborhoods.

I suggest you look inward to your own personal situation :cool
My argument is to help those that need it, not bury them beyond recovery by legalizing drug abuse .....as you argue.

Also according to liberals the American Dream you cite is dead isn't it?

It's dying and your efforts only promote it's demise.
You aren't arguing for ethics and morality, your position is an argument for their demise.


Decriminalization of drug abuse works better than criminalization and legalization.