Is it time to legalize pot and reduce the death rate of tobacco and alcohol?

[Stone]

What is common sense to some is not common sense to others.

Wouldn't it be common sense to use birth control if you don't want children? And exactly how many unwanted children are there in the United States right now?

If you're saying that some of the drug laws in the United States are ridiculous (particularly for the "recreational" user), I would agree with you.

Luckily, I'm at a point in my life where I could argue that any recreational use drug isn't needed to help one "have fun in life" or "ease the pain of a dull life"

What is common sense to some is not common sense to others.

Actually not.....common sense is exactly that....common.
Those that don't share it:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_sense

Common sense is defined by Merriam-Webster as, "sound and prudent judgment based on a simple perception of the situation or facts."[SUP][1][/SUP] Thus, "common sense" (in this view) equates to the knowledge and experience which most people already have, or which the person using the term believes that they do or should have. The Cambridge Dictionary defines it as, "the basic level of practical knowledge and judgment that we all need to help us live in a reasonable and safe way".

simply don't have it.
That's one reason why drug impairment is an issue in a complex society.
With out common sense, with impairment, often comes poor judgement.

If you're saying that some of the drug laws in the United States are ridiculous (particularly for the "recreational" user), I would agree with you.

No.....I'm saying the punishment is too often out of line.

Luckily, I'm at a point in my life where I could argue that any recreational use drug isn't needed to help one "have fun in life" or "ease the pain of a dull life"

Sorry...I don't understand your point.

 

[Stone]

And it is not the law that restricts it. To the corner with you.

LOL.

Good logic.

Regards
DL

More nonsense from the holy man of infinite wisdom.
Of course the law regulates both drug abuse and the sale of drugs....for the safety of society.
It's not a decision to inconvenience you or any drug abuser.
It's to protect 'us' as a society.
The law does not put a pusher on a street corner......the demand for his product does.
It's the drug user/abuser seeking the product that creates the demand for the product, aided of course, by the addictive qualities of many of these drugs.

To the corner with you.

To the mental hospital with you .....

 

[Greatest I am]

:clap

Nice recant.

Regards
DL

 

[Stone]

:clap

Nice recant.

Regards



DL

You are obviously confused

 

[36gamer]

I think marijuana should definitely be legalized. Now I don't smoke marijuana, nor do I ever plan on it. It's not really my thing. But I honestly don't find anything wrong with it. People can do stupid shit with it, but I mean it's a lot better than alcohol. Alcohol can cause much worse effects, at least in my opinion. If marijuana was legalized then we would be able to tax it, which would be great for the economy. Another good thing is that it would be much safer and lead to less crime (due to less processes in the black market). Marijuana is the number one most selling drug in America. With it legalized it would bring down the illegal drug trade quite a bit. I think it's an all around good idea.

Plus it isn't really the government's place to restrict it in the first place. I mean it's so much less harmful than all the other stuff that is legal here; alcohol, tobacco, guns, and hell you can buy a fucking death ray ( buy yours here http://www.unitednuclear.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=27_82 ). Anything can be potentially harmful to people, but that doesn't mean it should be made "unavailable".

 

[Stone]

I think marijuana should definitely be legalized. Now I don't smoke marijuana, nor do I ever plan on it. It's not really my thing. But I honestly don't find anything wrong with it. People can do stupid shit with it, but I mean it's a lot better than alcohol. Alcohol can cause much worse effects, at least in my opinion. If marijuana was legalized then we would be able to tax it, which would be great for the economy. Another good thing is that it would be much safer and lead to less crime (due to less processes in the black market). Marijuana is the number one most selling drug in America. With it legalized it would bring down the illegal drug trade quite a bit. I think it's an all around good idea.

Plus it isn't really the government's place to restrict it in the first place. I mean it's so much less harmful than all the other stuff that is legal here; alcohol, tobacco, guns, and hell you can buy a fucking death ray ( buy yours here http://www.unitednuclear.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=27_82 ). Anything can be potentially harmful to people, but that doesn't mean it should be made "unavailable".

Just pointing out that it's your opinion and most of your points have already been successfully refuted.

 

[Joe the meek]

Just pointing out that it's your opinion and most of your points have already been successfully refuted.

May be an opinion, but it's the right one.

World would be a better place if everyone used grass instead of alcohol, prescription drugs, coke...

The United States government is f****d up, lets see you refute that one

 

[Joe the meek]

Sorry...I don't understand your point.

People use drugs as an escape from reality.

 

[Stone]

May be an opinion, but it's the right one.

World would be a better place if everyone used grass instead of alcohol, prescription drugs, coke...

The United States government is f****d up, lets see you refute that one

May be an opinion, but it's the right one.

No....and the reason is directly below.

World would be a better place if everyone used grass instead of alcohol, prescription drugs, coke...

The world would be a better place if no one abused drugs.

The United States government is f****d up, lets see you refute that one

Don't need to, I already know it is

 

[Stone]

People use drugs as an escape from reality.

Yes....so?

 

[Joe the meek]

Yes....so?

Which is one reason why people end up abusing drugs.

I will stick to my assertion that grass is way better to abuse than alcohol. I've seen too many people turn violent using alcohol and too many people chilling smoking.

 

[Stone]

Which is one reason why people end up abusing drugs.

I will stick to my assertion that grass is way better to abuse than alcohol. I've seen too many people turn violent using alcohol and too many people chilling smoking.

Which is one reason why people end up abusing drugs.

Indeed....what's you point?
You are only stating something that's obvious.

I will stick to my assertion that grass is way better to abuse than alcohol

It does less damage....but an analogy would be like shooting your self with a .22 pistol rather than a Ruger Mini 14

I've seen too many people turn violent using alcohol and too many people chilling smoking.

It would be just as unwise to hand a .22 pistol to a fool on pot as the Ruger to an alcoholic
One accidentally offs you with a stupid smile on his face, the other with a frown

Like my analogies? :24:

 

[36gamer]

The point is that if the government has legalized something MORE harmful, then logically they should legalize the less harmful substance. It's really simple math. Let's say that there is a "danger potential scale" of 1 to 10 for substances. Let's say that anything that is above 8 should be illegal. And let's say that alcohol is a 7 on the scale. I am pretty sure that you agree that marijuana is less harmful, so let's give that a 6 on the scale. The government is saying that 7<8 and 6<7 but somehow 6>8. It makes no logical or mathematical sense.

 

[Joe the meek]

It would be just as unwise to hand a .22 pistol to a fool on pot as the Ruger to an alcoholic
One accidentally offs you with a stupid smile on his face, the other with a frown

Like my analogies? :24:

I'm on the fence about your analogies. Problem is, there are fools who mix alcohol and firearms together.

That said, from personal experience, people can be more prone to physical violence under the influence of alcohol as compared to the wacky stuff.

 

[Stone]

The point is that if the government has legalized something MORE harmful, then logically they should legalize the less harmful substance. It's really simple math. Let's say that there is a "danger potential scale" of 1 to 10 for substances. Let's say that anything that is above 8 should be illegal. And let's say that alcohol is a 7 on the scale. I am pretty sure that you agree that marijuana is less harmful, so let's give that a 6 on the scale. The government is saying that 7<8 and 6<7 but somehow 6>8. It makes no logical or mathematical sense.

The point is that if the government has legalized something MORE harmful, then logically they should legalize the less harmful substance.

The repeal of Prohibition did not legalize alcohol by Federal statute.
The Feds gave up enforcing ir, repealed the legislation and left the alcohol issue to the States.
The sale and consumption of alcohol is controlled by State statute and there are counties in the US where it is illegal to use and or sell.

It's really simple math. Let's say that there is a "danger potential scale" of 1 to 10 for substances.

Let's not.
Interestingly enough, pot is not a gateway drug according to a Rand report out some 7 or 8 years ago.
But it was found that first time users were generally using it as what they saw as a safe way of entering into a culture of drug abuse.

Once in, many do often expand their experiences with harder drugs.
The point it, your simple math doesn't cover that aspect of pot use/abuse.
Thus your model is flawed and essentially worthless on a scale of potential danger .

 

[Stone]

I'm on the fence about your analogies. Problem is, there are fools who mix alcohol and firearms together.

That said, from personal experience, people can be more prone to physical violence under the influence of alcohol as compared to the wacky stuff.

I'm on the fence

Don't let the barbed wire snag your nadds

( new analogy )

That said, from personal experience, people can be more prone to physical violence under the influence of alcohol as compared to the wacky stuff.

All you're trying to do is make an argument on relative evils.
In the end....it's all sophistry.

My point is not from the perspective of the individual user/abuser.
My argument has been going to the impact on society.

Like....joy riding sober on the wrong side of the road versus driving drunk.
One sober, the other not. Both violating other peoples safety.
Another good analogy, even more extreme in contrasting behavior.

When the general public senses a hazard to it's safety, it is the responsibility and function of the government to provide protection.
Common sense, Joe.

 

[36gamer]

Cigarettes and alcohol can just as easily be a gateway to illegal substances. There is a whole culture and attitude that comes with illegal drug abuse that I think starts way before marijuana. Although I do agree that it can be a gateway drug, but I don't think that's enough reason to not legalize marijuana. Anything can be abused, and anything can be a potential gateway to something more harmful; but we can't avoid everything in life based on it's potential to lead us to worse things. Some people probably shouldn't smoke marijuana, but does that mean that the people with self-control enough to restrict themselves should be penalized?

 

[Joe the meek]

When the general public senses a hazard to it's safety, it is the responsibility and function of the government to provide protection.
Common sense, Joe.

Common sense, the general public and the government.

I've got to ask, how old are you? LMAO

Not an argument on relative evils, but a point that people are less dangerous stoned than drunk.

That said, perhaps my perspective is skewed due to my own personal experience.

 

[Stone]

Cigarettes and alcohol can just as easily be a gateway to illegal substances. There is a whole culture and attitude that comes with illegal drug abuse that I think starts way before marijuana. Although I do agree that it can be a gateway drug, but I don't think that's enough reason to not legalize marijuana. Anything can be abused, and anything can be a potential gateway to something more harmful; but we can't avoid everything in life based on it's potential to lead us to worse things. Some people probably shouldn't smoke marijuana, but does that mean that the people with self-control enough to restrict themselves should be penalized?

Cigarettes and alcohol can just as easily be a gateway to illegal substances.

Did you bother to actually read what I posted?
Rand's study on Pot found, as a generality, that it was not a gateway drug.
It's intentionally being used as entrance to a culture of drug use/abuse. The goal already is one of being with that culture.
That's not the trait of a gateway drug
A gateway drug entices one into a culture of drug use/abuse.

Anything can be abused, and anything can be a potential gateway to something more harmful; but we can't avoid everything in life based on it's potential to lead us to worse things.

Indeed....that's why caffeine isn't listed as a restricted drug.....society does not see it as a hazard.
Society does still see pot abuse and drug abuse as hazardous behavior.

If there were no negative issues on a level destructive to a society, we wouldn't be debating pot abuse. It wouldn't be an issue.

Some people probably shouldn't smoke marijuana, but does that mean that the people with self-control enough to restrict themselves should be penalized?

Welcome to the real world.

 

[Stone]

Common sense, the general public and the government.

I've got to ask, how old are you? LMAO

Not an argument on relative evils, but a point that people are less dangerous stoned than drunk.

I've got to ask, how old are you?

66

Not an argument on relative evils, but a point that people are less dangerous stoned than drunk.

Denying reality isn't convincing, Joe
Less dangerous is all you offer.