Is it time to legalize pot and reduce the death rate of tobacco and alcohol?

[Stone]

History has shown diffrently.

Under a legal system, pushers would target children directly and that would give us the moral position to come down hard on whoever was screwing with their heads.

Regards
DL

GIA....seriously...I suggest you reread the posts you've been making.
Many don't make sense, are contradictory and contrary to logic.
With each and every attempt to spin your argument, you create even more confusion.


It is currently illegal to sell the drugs in question, to minors.
It is currently illegal to give the drugs in question, to minors.

The moral position is already there.

Your argument to legalize drugs is a position that undermines the concept of abstinence and promotes indulgence. And it's logic crosses age boundaries.
You aren't protecting children at all.
You are prepping them for a future. A non-desirable future.
And worse....apparently using them for your own goals. To legalize drug abuse... :thumbdown

 

[The Man]

GIA how will legalizing weed reduce tobacco related deaths?
I can see where you would be trying to go with alcohol related deaths...But this question is in regard to tobacco.

Also I a curious to see your response to Stones post above.

 

[Accountable]

Your argument to legalize drugs is a position that undermines the concept of abstinence and promotes indulgence.

Careful! that's an awfully big can of worms you're playing with.

 

[Greatest I am]

GIA how will legalizing weed reduce tobacco related deaths?
I can see where you would be trying to go with alcohol related deaths...But this question is in regard to tobacco.

Also I a curious to see your response to Stones post above.

You will not see one as I ignore most of his distortions of what I say.

As to tobacco use.
Part of legalization is a ramping up of education.

When we produce intelligent use of freedom of choice in children and young adults, and they are given all the facts of the various benefits and drawback of individual drugs, it will only be the foolish who will choose a drug like tobacco that produces one of the hardest addictions to cure for the least return of the pleasures that they seek.

Regards
DL

 

[Stone]

You will not see one as I ignore most of his distortions of what I say.
...................

If I were in your shoes, I'd ignore me, too

But then, I prefer to take a logical approach to debate.

 

[Stone]

You will not see one as I ignore most of his distortions of what I say.

As to tobacco use.
Part of legalization is a ramping up of education.

When we produce intelligent use of freedom of choice in children and young adults, and they are given all the facts of the various benefits and drawback of individual drugs, it will only be the foolish who will choose a drug like tobacco that produces one of the hardest addictions to cure for the least return of the pleasures that they seek.

Regards
DL

Since when do children make decisions based wholly on an adult level?
Much is due to peer pressure.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peer_pressure
excerpt>

In young people, youth peer pressure is considered as one of the most frequently referred to forms of peer pressure. It is particularly common because most youth spend large amounts of time in fixed groups (schools and subgroups within them) regardless of their opinion of those groups. In addition to this, they may lack the maturity to handle pressure from 'friends'. Also, young people are more willing to behave negatively towards those who are not members of their own peer groups.

So it obviously won't only be the foolish that experiment with drugs....and that includes tobacco.

 

[The Man]

You will not see one as I ignore most of his distortions of what I say.

As to tobacco use.
Part of legalization is a ramping up of education.

When we produce intelligent use of freedom of choice in children and young adults, and they are given all the facts of the various benefits and drawback of individual drugs, it will only be the foolish who will choose a drug like tobacco that produces one of the hardest addictions to cure for the least return of the pleasures that they seek.

Regards
DL

When we produce intelligent use of freedom of choice in children and young adults

How is the exercise of intelligent freedom of choice going to cut down on consumption?...People are making choices correct?

As to tobacco use.
Part of legalization is a ramping up of education.

How does the legalization of pot ramp up the education regarding tobacco .

Are you saying....hey lets ramp up the education of the dangers of tobacco?
Why does pot need to be legal to do this?

 

[Greatest I am]

How is the exercise of intelligent freedom of choice going to cut down on consumption?...People are making choices correct?

Yes but not on complete disclosure of the facts.

Note. Reefer madness.
Propaganda, not facts.

I am not sure about current legislation but in the 80's it was not lawful for any of the media to show any good that could come from the psychotropic drugs.
It is likely that that law is no longer in force as even police associations are promoting legalization of some drugs.

How does the legalization of pot ramp up the education regarding tobacco .

Are you saying....hey lets ramp up the education of the dangers of tobacco?
Why does pot need to be legal to do this?

Education is recommended as any legalization process.

Pot does not have to be legal to do this. The fact that it is so widely used and that it is proving to be the most forgiving of the psychotropic family of drugs, including alcohol, says that it should be and we are stupid not to let it be.

We have somehow legalized the more killing drugs and have made the benign illegal. Insanity.

Regards
DL

 

[Greatest I am]

So it obviously won't only be the foolish that experiment with drugs....and that includes tobacco.

True but the more is the number of benign drugs on the menu, the less tobacco and alcohol will be selected.

Common sense and a known marketing strategy.

Regards
DL

 

[The Man]

Education is recommended as any legalization process.

Pot does not have to be legal to do this. The fact that it is so widely used and that it is proving to be the most forgiving of the psychotropic family of drugs, including alcohol, says that it should be and we are stupid not to let it be.

We have somehow legalized the more killing drugs and have made the benign illegal. Insanity.

Regards
DL

Then why push for the legalization of pot if you want to educate about the dangers of tobacco.
Post being legal isnt needed to educate about the dangers of tobacco..
Whats the bases of your argument ?

 

[The Man]

True but the more is the number of benign drugs on the menu, the less tobacco and alcohol will be selected.

Common sense and a known marketing strategy.

Regards
DL

How would pot replace ones craving for nicotine?

 

[The Man]

GIA

people drink and smoke weed both right GIA...why would one give up booze just because pot was legal?
They drink the booze for its effect and smoke the weed for its effect...do you agree

 

[Stone]

True but the more is the number of benign drugs on the menu, the less tobacco and alcohol will be selected.

Common sense and a known marketing strategy.

Regards
DL

But the issue of legalizing drugs is focused on those drugs that are abused and become health and social issues.
There simply nothing benign to the concept of a culture of drug abuse.

 

[The Man]

You will not see one as I ignore most of his distortions of what I say.

That is a pretty bold claim..can you point out examples?

 

[The Man]

True but the more is the number of benign drugs on the menu, the less tobacco and alcohol will be selected.

Common sense and a known marketing strategy.

Regards
DL

Are you trying to say that people will give up tobacco and booze if pot is legal?
Why not go a step further and toss in fast food....and skydiving?

 

[The Man]

GIA....seriously...I suggest you reread the posts you've been making.
Many don't make sense, are contradictory and contrary to logic.
With each and every attempt to spin your argument, you create even more confusion.


It is currently illegal to sell the drugs in question, to minors.
It is currently illegal to give the drugs in question, to minors.

The moral position is already there.

Your argument to legalize drugs is a position that undermines the concept of abstinence and promotes indulgence. And it's logic crosses age boundaries.
You aren't protecting children at all.
You are prepping them for a future. A non-desirable future.
And worse....apparently using them for your own goals. To legalize drug abuse... :thumbdown

Pretty much how I see it as well

 

[Greatest I am]

Then why push for the legalization of pot if you want to educate about the dangers of tobacco.
Post being legal isnt needed to educate about the dangers of tobacco..
Whats the bases of your argument ?

Everything from freedom of the individual to us giving poor examples of laws to our young and ignoring the first principle of morality. Care for the young with the minimum of harm.

Regards
DL

 

[Greatest I am]

How would pot replace ones craving for nicotine?

I was speaking mostly for those generations coming up.

Those already addicted will not be helped by the new system.


Addiction research does postulate that physical addiction, as opposed to mental addiction, can be eliminated in some cases by just switching drugs on a daily basis and thus, doses stay smaller and physical addiction will not happen.

I think that if pot did become the smoke of choice, lung cancer in coming generations will plummet.
There is a lot of evidence that pot smoke is benign when compared to tobacco smoke. Even in the U S, stats for some years show 0 deaths are attributed to pot while tobacco stats are quite high.

Regards
DL

 

[Greatest I am]

GIA

people drink and smoke weed both right GIA...why would one give up booze just because pot was legal?
They drink the booze for its effect and smoke the weed for its effect...do you agree

Who said drinkers would stop drinking?

The newer generation, seeing the trouble drinking brings as compared to pot, will likely choose pot.

Regards
DL

 

[Greatest I am]

But the issue of legalizing drugs is focused on those drugs that are abused and become health and social issues.
There simply nothing benign to the concept of a culture of drug abuse.

Abuse of port. Seriously?

Pot abusers, whatever that is, fall asleep. Big deal.

Regards
DL