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We have high corp taxes as well as high payroll taxes.. so corps move and set up across the ocean.
While doing such...we lose the ability to export that product {which provides wealth}
We have to import the product as a result...thus unemployment goes up..and GDP also goes down..as salaries are lost.
It's a factor, just not the main factor which is cost to manufacture.
And that's a labor issue.
Obviously not or you'd post it
Yes...and that includes cheating the govt itself
Proving you committed a logical fallacy by arguing it was an absolute.
My generality was correct.
No, If I state something is bigger, there is no 'and'.......only something less.
It's up to you to prove other wise.
Then lower labor costs if you feel that is the reason.
Or increase efficiency in the manufacturing process......the main issue the US faces is still costs of labor in the product or service compared to competing nations.
Our labor costs are high stone as we take from the rich to give to the poor...
Blabbering nonsense
who give it back when they make a purchase...whats the point.
You don't have a clue as to how our economy works.
Doesn't it embarrass you to proof read this crap?
For demonstration purposes lets reverse that for a minute
Your fallacies are built on demonstrations and frequently go counter to reality.
if you taxed the poor and gave it to the rich
Why bother to tax those that have the very least? No matter what the tax rate, the revenue stream is going to be insignificant......see how your demonstration failed at the get go?
the rich then pay the workers with that same dollar
First, there wouldn't be many tax dollars collected and if that was all the workers were paid, workers would wind up being the poor paying themselves........your logic is all fucked up
Prices are cheap as the labor costs are very low...this actually causes deflation
All you did was engineer a slave economy.
It's stupid.
They both accomplish the same thing however one increases prices and wages..the other decreases prices and wages....you still have the same buying power on payday from the same host...whats the point.
A complete waste of time to even have read it.
Then a tax reduction is needed to have more funds to purchase goods and services.
I do think there is a good argument for reducing the tax load on the middle class.
Also cutting corp taxes...keeps jobs here..thus reducing unemployment.
The stats show that corporate profits have never been higher and never risen as quickly.
Reducing taxes is a minor issue that only affects new start ups and failing businesses that already have less tax liabilities because they are failing.
There is a good argument to assist them, but not the corporate environment as a whole because it has been shown they have recovered and producing profit at record rates.
As shown, corporate tax cuts at this time simply will not increase consumer demand.
It's a stagnant economy with profits stacking up on the corporate side.....this is a fact I've proven in my discussion with you.
There is no way you can deny it by 'demonstration'.
Earlier you claimed it a labor price issue.
It is largely a labor cost issue.
And it's even gone into the intellectual side of the labor issue.
Big pharma, especially Pfizer, is building large research and development centers in China because they can hire 3 educated professionals ( scientists ) there for the price on one in the US.
The demand is already there...they just choose to set up where as costs are lower.
WTF is that?
The demand of what, and now claiming costs of what are less?
Be a little more specific so others can understand you.
I already stated that..and was part of the reason corps were improving.
Indeed, corporate business models adjusted to supply and demand pressures....this is what I told you from the beginning and you don't seem to understand the relationships.
A specified budget needs to be supply the need of common man that would otherwise cause chaos
Law ,roads ,military etc. not a shift in funds
Of course, and an island economy structured on tourism won't supply the needed revenue stream as you claimed it would.
You've been talking out your ass
Housing caused the crash...not related to tax cuts.
What has this to do with the price of tea in China?
The banking system treating flaky home mortgages as derivatives while speculation in crude oil drove up energy costs at the same time.
The system crashed.
What is your point?
What is wrong with corp profits
Nothing, they are doing well as a whole, profit wise...I gave you the stats on that.
Your argument is to cut their taxes and you have no argument for the need.
Why not? If the rich arent paying the salaries of the middle class the who is?
As I posted...typical rhetoric of teabagger mentality.
The issue is.....wealth has been accumulating within a minority of the economy that you argue need a tax cut.
You need to be looking at this from a pragmatic standpoint, not the dogma of ranting fools.
All are the consumer base....increased consumption comes with more available funds{lower burden} tax being one of them.
I agree there is a good argument for giving the middle class tax reductions......why the fuck can't you understand the words I use?
There is already a need for much production...but we are letting it go over seas due to our codes.
The constant denial of reality is not a logical argument.
I have no problem with that.....
No....that's an argument for economic slavery.
Some may chose not to participate and leech on the good will of others, but no one should be made/forced to be poor.
you can not paint a middle class
WTF are you babbling about?
For demonstration...{ i know how much you hate em}
Well.....the ones you've posted have been stupid.
Are you trying to prepare me for some new chuckles?
The poor are richer /and the richer are poorer....the rich can no longer grow and we all become poor ...pepsi is now 9 bucks a bottle
I take it the Republicans wouldn't compromise and we hit that fiscal cliff?
I doubt the poor would be any richer, though....just everyone poorer.
But continue with your fantasy.
You are to worried about a strong middle class...forget Romney forget Obama and the coined terms.
Wait.....in your fantasy....you just killed off most of the middle class......how can we worry in your demonstration about a class of people that disappeared?
You weren't thinking, were you.
People are charged for a good or service by what they will pay...not by what they make
Indeed, and if they can't afford those rates, they don't buy.....that condition , when wide spread, is called a recession and the extreme case a depression.
the stronger {more} the middle class the more they will charge for a product or service as more can afford it
No.....not 'will'.....'can', but it still hinges on supply and demand pressures that cost to build/service considerations influence in a capitalistic economic model.
You are talking crap.
.this makes the rich get richer ...and the poor are poorer as the price is out of their range.
That was all Wanker logic
Fuck the middle class..........
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I am interested in the poor man not suffering
I just might have to copy this thread to disk, also......lots of laughs so far :thumbup
