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Pretty much business as usual. Make empty accusations, ignore responses, post another stupid cartoon.

You used to be a fairly resonable debater ACC. Now you are coming across more like TM. What happend you you?

So - lets see that itemized list of spending to cut. Maybe we can start with your federal government pension, then your government health care, and then your state government pay and benefits. How's that for a start?
 

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You used to be a fairly resonable debater ACC. Now you are coming across more like TM. What happend you you?

So - lets see that itemized list of spending to cut. Maybe we can start with your federal government pension, then your government health care, and then your state government pay and benefits. How's that for a start?
You've never held a serious conversation, only hurling insults, posting off-topic cartoons, and tossing out stupid hyperbole that you don't even support. You're an irritating pup that hangs around for attention. There's your attention. You're welcome.
 

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You've never held a serious conversation, only hurling insults, posting off-topic cartoons, and tossing out stupid hyperbole that you don't even support. You're an irritating pup that hangs around for attention. There's your attention. You're welcome.

LOL - you act like a silly butt-hurt little girl. Your conservolibtardatarian philosophy does not jibe with your government money sucking lifestyle. No wonder you're so pissy and petulant like a little twat. :clap
 

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One more for you dumbfucks that think the Republicans have the right idea. I'm still waiting any of you conservoteatards to come up with that itemized list of spending cuts.

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Maybe once upon a time you could have had this conversation when you weren't so bitter.

But having a conversation with you on which programs to cut would be the same as asking The Man to negotiate for you at the next union meeting

just answer the question
 

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Maybe once upon a time you could have had this conversation when you weren't so bitter.

But having a conversation with you on which programs to cut would be the same as asking The Man to negotiate for you at the next union meeting
You may be right. The more I study, the more I realize that the constitution is dead and the federal system is only a false front kept up only for tradition, sorta like pretending that Christmas is a religious holiday.

I surrender. We do not have a republic, but a national government with subordinate regional governments, quaintly still called states. I'll try to change my paradigms, but it will take awhile.


And no, I'm not being sarcastic.
 

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You may be right. The more I study, the more I realize that the constitution is dead and the federal system is only a false front kept up only for tradition, sorta like pretending that Christmas is a religious holiday.

I surrender. We do not have a republic, but a national government with subordinate regional governments, quaintly still called states. I'll try to change my paradigms, but it will take awhile.


And no, I'm not being sarcastic.

Keep studying and you will learn that libertarianism is trickle down deregulation on steroids. Libertarianism will hand the ball to the CEO and super rich class and the middle class will be forever screwed. Libertarians have a selective methodology of what is constitutional just like religious fanatics pick and choose what sections of their holy books to take literally and which parts to discard.

Neither conservatism or libertarianism has the best interests of the middle class as their core class of representation. Both represent the super rich, and you, my friend, are not a member of that club, yet you have allowed yourself to be sucked in.

This is a very simple, yet educational video on how we got here in this Great recession. Watch and learn:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cwg4DB-EeEA
 

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Keep studying and you will learn that libertarianism is trickle down deregulation on steroids. Libertarianism will hand the ball to the CEO and super rich class and the middle class will be forever screwed. Libertarians have a selective methodology of what is constitutional just like religious fanatics pick and choose what sections of their holy books to take literally and which parts to discard.

Neither conservatism or libertarianism has the best interests of the middle class as their core class of representation. Both represent the super rich, and you, my friend, are not a member of that club, yet you have allowed yourself to be sucked in.

This is a very simple, yet educational video on how we got here in this Great recession. Watch and learn:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cwg4DB-EeEA


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Funny video, John.......some truth to it but mostly union propaganda.
Actually paid for by the The California Federation of Teachers, a statewide affiliate of the American Federation of Teachers, AFL-CIO
http://www.cft.org/
It's obviously about polarizing the public in an attempt to gain greater bargaining power in protecting bloated California public sector pension funds.

http://business.financialpost.com/2...ic-pensions-sank-californias-bankrupt-cities/

http://www.calwatchdog.com/2012/09/21/californias-public-pension-jackpot/

http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/Colum...nion-Contracts-Have-Busted-State-Budgets.aspx
 

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No fix is painless, especially when fixing stupid or wasteful shit.

of which there is a lot of

but then congress does not think a million here and a million there is a big deal



how about just a dam spending freeze?


Instead of this bullshit crap where they use base line spending to start from


What is the problem with that?


Or better yet an across the board cut of 2% from from all programs
 

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of which there is a lot of

but then congress does not think a million here and a million there is a big deal



how about just a dam spending freeze?


Instead of this bullshit crap where they use base line spending to start from


What is the problem with that?


Or better yet an across the board cut of 2% from from all programs

Here are some stats 1960 and 2011...Fed only.2011 fed spending.JPG
1960 spending.JPG


Fiscal Year 1960
Federal Pensions $12 billion
Federal Health Care + $1 billion
Federal Education + $2 billion
National Defense + $53 billion
Federal Welfare + $3 billion
All Other Spending + $23 billion
Total Federal Spending $97 billion

Fiscal Year 2011 +1yr +5yr
Federal Pensions $782 billion
Federal Health Care + $858 billion
Federal Education + $114 billion
National Defense + $878 billion
Federal Welfare + $466 billion
All Other Spending + $504 billion
Total Federal Spending $3,603 billion

Federal healthcare ....858 times higher
Federal pensions ....63 times higher
Damn good place to start right there

Federal education....57times higher...I think we can make some cuts for sure
Federal welfare ....155 times higher....we could actually leave much of this for now as it should reduce when the economy booms.

Defense ...16 times higher.

The huge offenders seem to be...federal pensions and and federal health care...being damn near half the cost....big chops needed
Chop some of the education costs off....we cant throw money to fix stupid it hasnt been working.
welfare should easily cut by half with the economy boom.
I propose to wipe out govt pensions...fuck em.
If the govt forced it on Gm then it should be good enough for them too.
782 b saved..damn near a fourth of the budget
Fed health care..at 782 times higher...gonna cut lets say a fat third
300 billion saved.
Fed education 57 times higher...cut half
67 billion saved.
fed welfare...155 times high...cut about half off say 80 b
80 b saved.
defense shave a little off say 100b
100 b saved
the all other spend line about 20 times higher...cut a fourth
125 b saved

about a trillion and a half saved..my cuts were all very reasonable and should be doable.
about 40 percent
just cutting the pensions alone is major itself.....the payout is just crazy..damn near as much as defense itself.....the cozy massive pensions have to go.

There is my proposition 40 percent ...then the welfare{as the economy booms} should fall saving more.

States should be forced to do similar...wiping pensions to start...and have a limit of how much money they can collect per capita...what ever the average state spending was in 1960..then adjust it for inflation.
same for local.
 

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Why is it the teabillies always want to cut what hurts their own families but not what would require the CEO class and super rich to sacrifice alongside us?

You all hoping to get admission to the 1% club by fucking yourselves?
 

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Why is it the teabillies always want to cut what hurts their own families but not what would require the CEO class and super rich to sacrifice alongside us?

You all hoping to get admission to the 1% club by fucking yourselves?

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Why is it the teabillies always want to cut what hurts their own families but not what would require the CEO class and super rich to sacrifice alongside us?

You all hoping to get admission to the 1% club by fucking yourselves?

It's a political position.
Both sides are so polarized, neither accepts that it's in the best interests of our society to be adjusting taxation on the wealthy or balancing budgets with realistic cut backs.
I think it takes moderation in both at the same time.

So...on one hand, idiots argue that we can tax our way to prosperity and on the other hand idiots claim a society can withstand hellacious budget cuts on social programs, balancing the budget on social programs and at the same time encouraging economic growth. Both are fallacies.
 

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It's a political position.
Both sides are so polarized, neither accepts that it's in the best interests of our society to be adjusting taxation on the wealthy or balancing budgets with realistic cut backs.
I think it takes moderation in both at the same time.

So...on one hand, idiots argue that we can tax our way to prosperity and on the other hand idiots claim a society can withstand hellacious budget cuts on social programs, balancing the budget on social programs and at the same time encouraging economic growth. Both are fallacies.

My plan...while a little radical was for demonstration to where much of the increases are going to.
We are after all spending 40 times more than in 1960...granted after adjusted for inflation and population growth it will no longer be 40 times higher and actually only a few times higher.

Spending has been steadily growing even after adjustment for inflation and population growth...I just dont see why every year spending has to go up...same people same needs just a year later.

Going back to my radical adjustment aiming towards the 60s.....our needs were met by the govt at the time.
We had a strong military, good roads, etc...were even blowing money to get into space.
At such time people were complaining we were spending to much{which we probably were} but it no way holds a comparison of today.

I am serious when I say....next years budget will be last years budget....and next year will be the year before...This way we are slowing reversing the mess at the same speed we created it...and make the adjustments along the way.
My goal is to get spending to about half or 60 percent of what it is now.
It will take 9 years to reduce it to the 60 percent level....and 11 to 12 years to reduce to the 50 percent mark.

If it goes well we keep going;)
 
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