How far is too far?

[All Else Failed]

And that's what you're basing your theory on?

I don't have a fucking theory, its fact.


You seem so out of it and lost when we debate its frustrating.

 

[Peter Parka]

Alright. I'm going to say this again.

I have nothing against gay people. The discussion had turned into the health aspects of the lifestyle, which statistically speaking is more hazardous than that of a non-gay lifestyle. I didn't make a single judgment on it.

I didn't say they should stop because of it. I didn't say having feelings for the same sex was a choice. I don't even think that having feelings for the same sex is WRONG.

I do not know where this hostility came from. I feel like I must have blacked out and said something terrible to you, but now can't remember what.

I feel like AEF is trying NOT to help.

Pete, we've talked a hundred times. I don't honestly know what I'm doing that's ticking you off so badly. Would you please treat me like a child for one second, and point out which comments I made that strike you as homophobic? I'm sure it sounds dumb to you, but this way at least I can answer your point specifically.

Finally, you are a homophobe! I guess I think you are irrational and have nothing worthwhile to contribute to this debate.

 

[All Else Failed]

I just want to hear his solution.

 

[IntruderLS1]

So Intruder, what is your solution to "dangerous" gays?

I'm not sure if you read my last post before this or not.

I didn't offer a solution. I don't think pointing out something as not safe is the same as speaking hatred though.

Smoking is not safe. Doing drugs is not safe. Driving without a seatbelt is unsafe. All of these activities feel great and are terrible fun. But that does not mean you are not at increased risk if you undertake them, and I would not hesitate to tell somebody ESPECIALLY if I heard them comment on their idea that it was perfectly the same safety wise as somebody not doing those things.

I'm sorry man, but unless you help me out some here, I can't seem to say anything right to you.

 

[All Else Failed]

I know you have an idea up in that cooky conservative head of yours!

 

[Peter Parka]

I'm not sure if you read my last post before this or not.

I didn't offer a solution. I don't think pointing out something as not safe is the same as speaking hatred though.

Smoking is not safe. Doing drugs is not safe. Driving without a seatbelt is unsafe. All of these activities feel great and are terrible fun. But that does not mean you are not at increased risk if you undertake them, and I would not hesitate to tell somebody ESPECIALLY if I heard them comment on their idea that it was perfectly the same safety wise as somebody not doing those things.

I'm sorry man, but unless you help me out some here, I can't seem to say anything right to you.

Erm..how are things which can affect you apply to gay people? You're so anti gay, you're never going to have sex with them so how does that affect you?

 

[IntruderLS1]

I know you have an idea up in that cooky conservative head of yours!

Maybe you wold be a chum and clue me in here for a second. What is Pete trying to tell me that I'm not hearing?

 

[All Else Failed]

Maybe you wold be a chum and clue me in here for a second. What is Pete trying to tell me that I'm not hearing?

He's wondering why you care so much about people that don't effect you, and wants to know what you suggest gay people do to not lead a "dangerous lifestyle".


I'm off for tonight. Happy postings.

 

[IntruderLS1]

He's wondering why you care so much about people that don't effect you, and wants to know what you suggest gay people do to not lead a "dangerous lifestyle".

I pretty much don't care at all. It doesn't have anything to do with me. If my Uncle dies of this, then I'll officially be affected, but until then, it's statistics in my head.

I don't have any suggestions for people who have gay sex but don't want to get sick. The only thing I could think of would be to tell them what they already know. Protect yourself as much as possible. I do know that scientists around the world are working on the problem. Statistically speaking, they'll succeed. What else can I say?

 

[Peter Parka]

I pretty much don't care at all. It doesn't have anything to do with me. If my Uncle dies of this, then I'll officially be affected, but until then, it's statistics in my head.

I don't have any suggestions for people who have gay sex but don't want to get sick. The only thing I could think of would be to tell them what they already know. Protect yourself as much as possible. I do know that scientists around the world are working on the problem. Statistically speaking, they'll succeed. What else can I say?

Why arn't you as worried about your mum, for instance, getting an STD as you Uncle? You really have some deluded ideas, where did you hear them from, by the way?

 

[Reaver]

I love how every thread one of you two makes always gets de-railed by the other. kinda funny. And I got say I'm with Peter and AEF on this one.

 

[IntruderLS1]

Why arn't you as worried about your mum, for instance, getting an STD as you Uncle? You really have some deluded ideas, where did you hear them from, by the way?

From CDC
Fact Sheet: HIV/AIDS among Men Who Have Sex with Men | Resources | HIV/AIDS and Men Who Have Sex with Men (MSM) | Topics | CDC HIV/AIDS

In the United States, HIV infection and AIDS have had a tremendous effect on men who have sex with men (MSM). MSM accounted for 71% of all HIV infections among male adults and adolescents in 2005 (based on data from 33 states with long-term, confidential name-based HIV reporting)​

 

[Peter Parka]

:horse PEOPLE CANT CHANGE BEING GAY!!!:horse

 

[IntruderLS1]

I didn't say they could. I said they were at increased risk. These are the facts. Pointing them out does not make me a hater. I ONLY pointed them out because you said they did not exist.

Of those suffering AIDS:

- 67% get it from gay sexual contact
- 5% get it from a combination of gay sexual contact and drug use.
- 13% get it from doing drugs
- 15% get it from "High-risk herterosexual contact"

 

[Reaver]

what about the millions of people in africa dying from AIDS? Correct me if I'm wrong, but they did not all contract the disease from homosexual contact, did they? it is due to the lack of birthcontrol and preventative measures in place in that part of the world. How can those suffering in africa account for only 15% of the epidemic? Sorry but that 67% sounds like a US only number or a skewed percentage to me.

again, I have not fully researched this subject, so please correct me if I am incorrect.

 

[Peter Parka]

I didn't say they could. I said they were at increased risk. These are the facts. Pointing them out does not make me a hater. I ONLY pointed them out because you said they did not exist.

Of those suffering AIDS:

- 67% get it from gay sexual contact
- 5% get it from a combination of gay sexual contact and drug use.
- 13% get it from doing drugs
- 15% get it from "High-risk herterosexual contact"

So if people can't help being Gay, what is your point?:confused

 

[IntruderLS1]

So if people can't help being Gay, what is your point?:confused

Please remember that I have not one time, EVER said they had a choice on how they feel. If you have read that as implied somewhere, I assure you it wasn't my intention.

My point hasn't changed in five pages.

They are as follows:

1) I don't hate gay people. I have family that I love who are gay.
2) Statistically speaking, gay men have a much higher than average rate of lethal STD infection.
3) I point to statistics in hopes of education. I heard somebody say that there was NO statistical difference in danger level between straight and gay sex. This is factually inaccurate.
4) I wasn't making any judgments. I was trying to correct something I saw (and still see) as a misconception.
5) I have not flippen clue what I ever did to piss you off so righteously.
6) See bullet #1.
7) See bullet #1.
8) See bullet #1.
9) See bullet #1.
10) See bullet #1.

I think political correctness can be getting some people into trouble. We're told by society every day that being gay has no down side other than the occasional crazy that will hate you for it (i.e. IntruderLS1 apparently). People, especially young adults should know the facts and take steps to protect themselves. Protection comes in varying degrees, and has varying degrees of success. As in any adult protection practice, it is 100% personal choice. But the point is, they should KNOW.

 

[BadBoy@TheWheel]

Damn...I said I would not do this...However...Cooler minds always prevail:

Okay, to varying degree's youare all accurate, so far as your perception.

However, I do not think the parallel between homosexuality and AIDS is linear, mainly because something that needs to be considred is permiscuity plays a part in the transfer of STD's, in fact that and protection are the key factors.

And with all due respect to all involved, claiming that Homosexuals have a higher risk of AIDS, does come off as suggesting that it is punishment for what some feel is a poor lifestyle choice.

I will NOT debate if it is free will or a natural drive, I have never had any doubts about my sexuality, so it is rather unfair of me to make an educated guess about an issue I really do not understand, nor have I taken time to research.

One thing I know, if your are very sexually active and do not protect yourself, you are looking for trouble, man or animal, straight or gay.

That is my humble opinion.

 

[Peter Parka]

Please remember that I have not one time, EVER said they had a choice on how they feel. If you have read that as implied somewhere, I assure you it wasn't my intention.

My point hasn't changed in five pages.

They are as follows:

1) I don't hate gay people. I have family that I love who are gay.
2) Statistically speaking, gay men have a much higher than average rate of lethal STD infection.
3) I point to statistics in hopes of education. I heard somebody say that there was NO statistical difference in danger level between straight and gay sex. This is factually inaccurate.
4) I wasn't making any judgments. I was trying to correct something I saw (and still see) as a misconception.
5) I have not flippen clue what I ever did to piss you off so righteously.
6) See bullet #1.
7) See bullet #1.
8) See bullet #1.
9) See bullet #1.
10) See bullet #1.

I think political correctness can be getting some people into trouble. We're told by society every day that being gay has no down side other than the occasional crazy that will hate you for it (i.e. IntruderLS1 apparently). People, especially young adults should know the facts and take steps to protect themselves. Protection comes in varying degrees, and has varying degrees of success. As in any adult protection practice, it is 100% personal choice. But the point is, they should KNOW.

So what is your point if you dont believe people can help being gay? Its all very well to what these stats are but if the're true, what do you think should be done to protect them?

 

[IntruderLS1]

And with all due respect to all involved, claiming that Homosexuals have a higher risk of AIDS, does come off as suggesting that it is punishment for what some feel is a poor lifestyle choice.

Indeed. Thanks for stopping by.

For the record, I had never thought of it in terms of punishment. To me, the statistics of the matter have always made it cause & affect in my head. Nothing more, nothing less. I don't honestly think of it at all until a debate brings it up.