Gun News Talk

[FoxInSox]

You are right on about the inept reporting. They only want to sensationalize the story. They are as bad as Biden hearing shots he could not have heard if he had ultra-sonic hearing. They just want the PR.

:thumbup

 

[Kakapo Dundee]

Dundee you seem to know it all
So tell us how you would solve the gun problem

You find citing history is inconvenient but when you come up with your solution take a look and see what happened when some countries disarmed if that is your solution.

They all, without exception, ended up with lower deaths per capita than the States?

Yeah....I kinda like that result.

The drink driving laws have done wonders for reducing fatalities, and more importantly have created the opportunity for ongoing gains by reinforcing the truth that drunk driving is unacceptable in a civilized society.

According to the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) 32,885 people died in traffic crashes in 2010 in the United States (latest figures available), including an estimated 10,228 people who died in drunk driving crashes, accounting for 31% of all traffic deaths last year.
Since NHTSA began recording alcohol-related statistics in 1982, drunk driving fatalities have decreased 52% from 21,113 in 1982. Since the inception of The Century Council and our national efforts to fight drunk driving, drunk driving fatalities have declined 35% from 15,827 in 1991. (Source: NHTSA/FARS, 2011)

Here's hoping that the package of measures that President Obama is about to put in place will be the beginning of the end for the false impressions of some gun extremists.

 

[Kakapo Dundee]

A 15-year-old boy has fatally shot two adults and three children in a US home.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/8202856/Teen-guns-down-five-in-US-home

The unfortunate demise of another family that fell for the lie that guns don't kill people.

 

[Accountable]

A fine example of irresponsible reporting. We don't know who, or what, or why, or even what kind of weapon was used, but make damn sure to point out that "a semi-automatic military-style rifle" was found in the house, among others that weren't important enough to describe. Of course the natural question would be if that weapon was used in the crime, but there's no indication that the "reporter" thought to even ask. My cynical mind figures that he did ask the question but didn't like the answer, so wrote the implication instead.

A more responsible reporter wrote:

Authorities in New Mexico say a teenage boy has fatally shot two adults and three children inside a New Mexico home.The boy faces murder and other charges.
Bernalillo County sheriff’s spokesman Aaron Williamson says the boy’s motive and connection to the five victims aren’t immediately known.
Mr. Williamson says investigators who received a report of the shooting on Saturday night are trying to determine whether the victims were related.
The victims’ identities haven’t been released.

http://www.thehindu.com/news/international/us-teen-shoots-five-dead-in-new-mexico/article4326469.ece

 

[Alien Allen]

They all, without exception, ended up with lower deaths per capita than the States?

Yeah....I kinda like that result.

are you friggin serious

Hitler, Stalin and Mao slaughtered a combined millions once they disarmed their societies

How did that work out for them?

 

[darkcgi]

Just found out my cousin (Person who is not a gun person what so ever) bought 3000 bucks worth of ammo and two weapons to shoot them with.
lol

 

[porterjack]

Just found out my cousin (Person who is not a gun person what so ever) bought 3000 bucks worth of ammo and two weapons to shoot them with.
lol

i guess he/she is a gun person now

that is a lot of money

the economy must be on the upswing

 

[darkcgi]

I would be his gun person I guess.
4 years Expert in the Marines and Range High for 4 years.
I had barely ever shot a gun before that.

 

[Minor Axis]

sorry but that is no solution

legally owned guns misused by their owners is not even a blip on the gun violence radar

the problem is guns getting into the hands of nuts and criminals

Having a gun is a right but it comes with responsibilities. Part of that is being held responsible if your gun is used in a crime. If it was stolen or lost you should have to report it immediately or be held accountable for reckless endangerment. Following the path a gun took before a crime should be required. For example at the latest school killing the mother if she had lived should have been equally responsible for the actions of her son since she not only did not apparently have them locked up but she knew her son was a nut.

The mass murders make the news but they are not the biggest result in deaths. In less than a week or so as many people were murdered in Chicago and Detroit. Nothing in the proposals addresses how to reduce those deaths.

I'm impressed with this reply. Now I have to ponder why.

A 15-year-old boy has fatally shot two adults and three children in a US home.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/8202856/Teen-guns-down-five-in-US-home

The unfortunate demise of another family that fell for the lie that guns don't kill people.

You know... people kill people, the usual mantra used to argue why we don't need gun laws/regulations.

 

[Alien Allen]

I'm impressed with this reply. Now I have to ponder why.



You know... people kill people, the usual mantra used to argue why we don't need gun laws/regulations.

maybe it is a sign of you coming out of that liberal coma

nah... not a chance

 

[Alien Allen]

You know... people kill people, the usual mantra used to argue why we don't need gun laws/regulations.

can you cite a case where a gun was indicted for murder?

it does not take a rocket scientist to see why gun owners are concerned about a gun grab by the govt. Stone cited one example of an over reach. Another one is a kid was expelled for pointing his finger like a gun and yelling bang. as long as you have some going to that extreme PC then what is one to expect.

we grew up playing cops and robbers and cowboys and indians where you pretended to get shot and die. Seems like we have a disconnect from reality now a days. Something has happened to make life less precious since then. Can't blame that on the guns. It falls on the society. In the US it is guns. In the mideast it is people strapping on bombs

 

[Minor Axis]

can you cite a case where a gun was indicted for murder?

it does not take a rocket scientist to see why gun owners are concerned about a gun grab by the govt. Stone cited one example of an over reach. Another one is a kid was expelled for pointing his finger like a gun and yelling bang. as long as you have some going to that extreme PC then what is one to expect.

we grew up playing cops and robbers and cowboys and indians where you pretended to get shot and die. Seems like we have a disconnect from reality now a days. Something has happened to make life less precious since then. Can't blame that on the guns. It falls on the society. In the US it is guns. In the mideast it is people strapping on bombs

Its falls on society and the ability of practically every citizen to own a convenient death dealing device for the day they go nuts, find their spouse cheating, or the long list of reasons for homicide, and decide to kill one or many.

 

[Alien Allen]

Its falls on society and the ability of practically every citizen to own a convenient death dealing device for the day they go nuts, find their spouse cheating, or the long list of reasons for homicide, and decide to kill one or many.

Liberal pacifist gobbity gook

So profound I bet you stole it from Gandhi

 

[Francis]

You know... people kill people, the usual mantra used to argue why we don't need gun laws/regulations.

It's neither.. It's when the bullet hits and the body injury happens that causes people to die.. It's really the bodies fault. When you really think about it, how many have been hit by a bullet and survived, some even not even wounded.. So let's blame the real source of the problem and it must be the bodies fault..

 

[Kakapo Dundee]

A fine example of irresponsible reporting. We don't know who, or what, or why, or even what kind of weapon was used, but make damn sure to point out that "a semi-automatic military-style rifle" was found in the house, among others that weren't important enough to describe. Of course the natural question would be if that weapon was used in the crime, but there's no indication that the "reporter" thought to even ask. My cynical mind figures that he did ask the question but didn't like the answer, so wrote the implication instead.

Or he knew that the AR-15 was the murder weapon and decided not to disclose it until it was officially confirmed.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=10860712

 

[Kakapo Dundee]

are you friggin serious

Hitler, Stalin and Mao slaughtered a combined millions once they disarmed their societies

How did that work out for them?

Oh..so sorry....I thought you were talking about current truths, not the historical ramblings of the pro-gun lobby.

THE ARMED UPRISING AGAINST A TYRANNICAL AMERICAN GOVERNMENT OF THE FUTURE IS A BIG PILE OF BULLSHIT.

In the 220 plus years since the Second Amendment was written, it's never happened, and the Second Amendment has proved to be a worthless piece of outdated feelgood crap.. If the NRA and any other faux libertarians had the balls to match their big talk, it might conceivably been used to challenge some of Bush's excesses......but then the average gun owner is far more likely to be Republican, and far more likely to get suckered into the dogshit that Bush wrapped in the American flag and ironically called the Patriot Act.

 

[Accountable]

It hasn't happened BECAUSE the Second Amendment has been in place. Why do you even give a shit? It's old. Go back and play with your toys and leave these conversations to the adults.

 

[Kakapo Dundee]

It hasn't happened BECAUSE the Second Amendment has been in place. Why do you even give a shit? It's old. Go back and play with your toys and leave these conversations to the adults.

:24: monumentally naive answer. Well done!:clap

Do you seriously believe that a few anti-government whiners are capable of forming themselves into any kind of militia, much less a well trained militia, much less a well trained militia with the capability to take on the United States Department of Defense?

Frankly anyone who wheels out the Second Amendment like it means anything about shit is as deluded as the sad old man who flashes his dick at schoolgirls. It may have had an impact a long time ago, but even Viagra couldn't save the Second Amendment.

 

[Stone]

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[Alien Allen]

Oh..so sorry....I thought you were talking about current truths, not the historical ramblings of the pro-gun lobby.

THE ARMED UPRISING AGAINST A TYRANNICAL AMERICAN GOVERNMENT OF THE FUTURE IS A BIG PILE OF BULLSHIT.

In the 220 plus years since the Second Amendment was written, it's never happened, and the Second Amendment has proved to be a worthless piece of outdated feelgood crap.. If the NRA and any other faux libertarians had the balls to match their big talk, it might conceivably been used to challenge some of Bush's excesses......but then the average gun owner is far more likely to be Republican, and far more likely to get suckered into the dogshit that Bush wrapped in the American flag and ironically called the Patriot Act.

You just keep on reading your liberal pacifist bullshit. It suits you well but adds nothing to the conversation other than to prove your ignorance.