God does things just for me

[HK]

And why do you keep posting pictures of cleavage and videos about sex? It's not relevant.

 

[skyblue]

Porn isn't about love or humanism, porn is about lust and desire which is as far as you can get from love and humanism...

and its made on the back of exploitation:nod:

 

[mazHur]

And why do you keep posting pictures of cleavage and videos about sex? It's not relevant.

Humanism because a poster here referred to that!!

 

[Tim]

Love....is religion and many like you don't seem to believe in it!

Most loves end up in lust...so why blame porn?? Porn is Science!!

Muhammad's sexual antics are an embarrassment to those Muslims who are aware of them. This is particularly so for their prophet's marriage to Aisha when she was 9-years-old. The thought of a 52-year-old man sleeping and bathing with a young girl is intensely unpleasant and it reflects the disgusting character of a sexual glutton rather than a holy man. Critics even allege that Muhammad was a pedophile.

Is this what you base your views of sex on? Would you live your life as Muhammad did if you could? Do you also want a 9 year-old wife to fondle?

 

[porterjack]

Humanism because a poster here referred to that!!

what on eath is the relevance, between those images and the Humanist movment, i quoted Humanism because you assert that man cannot live by any code without religion, surely Humanism does exactly that -

 

[hart]

I'm a Unitarian. I don't know if there is a God, but I basically try and live the Golden Rule, seems to work for my conscience and self-image.

 

[HK]

Humanism because a poster here referred to that!!

By your logic, since you've talked about christianity and islam, I should start posting pictures of churches and mosques?

It's still not relevant.

 

[mazHur]

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OTE=HK;1803382]If there were any doubts as to who my parents are, science has developed DNA testing which could determine whether we were related or not. Religion is not capable of such a thing

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you are telling me as if I didn't know about the DNA!!!
What about a woman who had intercourse with many men at a time and all of them vanished???

Actually, science can give biological and psychological explanations for emotions like love. We're also not the only animals that display affection for our relatives, so that's got nothing to do with being human.

Science does not claim to know everything. Religion is the only are of study that claims to have an answer to all the mysteries of life, whereas scientists explore what we think we know and are constantly finding out that actually, there's a lot more out there to discover than we ever realised.



You're confusing faith with curiousity.

Science was born out of Curiosity, Religion out of faith in the Supreme being who controls everything!

Science merely explores, Creator creates!

 

[skyblue]

god,in the physical living sense isn't real...ok jesus and mohammed were men who had faith,but that was a long time ago...its hoped that mankind has moved on since then...god is a good thing if it helps someone through a hard time but thats it....i dont need to be a fanatic to be a good person,no god can change who i am,besides i quite like the viking idea of the gods.

and as for mohammed being a child molester,not so.....that was the order of the day,as soon as a girl had a period she was classed as a woman....and that was global.....the problem i have is now,many muslim countries turn a blind eye to child molesting because it might offend mohammed..now thats wrong

 

[skyblue]

[QU.




Science merely explores, Creator creates!

science and the creator might be one and the same.....theres a throry that this planet might well have been 'seeded' from another place inhabited by beings.....beings that are far in advance of us,which would mean they are the creator using science to create us

 

[Tim]

and as for mohammed being a child molester,not so.....that was the order of the day,as soon as a girl had a period she was classed as a woman....and that was global.....the problem i have is now,many muslim countries turn a blind eye to child molesting because it might offend mohammed..now thats wrong

You are correct, since it was good enough for Muhammad.

Thanks to Muhammad's extremely poor judgment (at best) and explicit approval of pedophilia, sex with children became deeply ingrained in the Islamic tradition. For many centuries, Muslim armies would purge Christian and Hindu peasant villages of their menfolk and send the women and children to harems and the thriving child sex slave markets deep in the Islamic world. The Ayatollah Khomeini, who married a 12-year-old girl, even gave his consent to using infants for sexual pleasure (although warning against full penetration until the baby is a few years older). In April, 2010, a 13-year-old Yemeni girl died from injuries suffered to her womb during intercourse.

Some clerics show relative mercy on underage girls by advocating a process known as "thighing" (also known as child molestation in the West). According to a recent fatwa (known as 23672), the imam answers a question: "My parents married me to a young girl who hasn't yet reached puberty. How can I enjoy her sexually?" by telling the 'man' that he may "hug her, kiss her, and ejaculate between her legs."

 

[Tim]

science and the creator might be one and the same.....theres a throry that this planet might well have been 'seeded' from another place inhabited by beings.....beings that are far in advance of us,which would mean they are the creator using science to create us

You can't use that argument to end this one. Because you are only moving the starting point back further without addressing it. Who created them or how did they come to being?

 

[mazHur]

Is this what you base your views of sex on? Would you live your life as Muhammad did if you could? Do you also want a 9 year-old wife to fondle?

Muhammad was the King Of Arabia and all conquered territories, he could marry any woman he wanted and there was no dearth of women for him!! He married a widow Khadijah who was 15 years older than him. To believe he married Aisha at 9 is against the facts and unbelievable against his flawless personal character! If you believe that cock and bull story you would be lifting your finger on the character of other prophets as well, including Jesus!
Only Sectarian hatred amongst the Muslims tends to malign great personalities of one another by spreading out such incredible and frivolous stories....

Moreover, if Muhammad had done that then that practice would have been part of Sharia in all Muslim countries but because it is NOT is a self-explanatory of the untruth of that story!!

I am planning to take a grown up blonde as wife, and that too a Christian....and that too from your part of the world!! Enough of local women and far eastern bitches!!

 

[HK]

you are telling me as if I didn't know about the DNA!!!
What about a woman who had intercourse with many men at a time and all of them vanished???

That's not a problem with science, that's a problem with a woman not keeping track of who she slept with. If she brought all those men in for DNA testing, science would indeed be able to ascertain the father of her child.

Science merely explores, Creator creates!

Okay. I don't think you really understand anything that's been said here, because numerous people including myself have pointed out that science is not competing with religion, nor has science ever claimed to 'create' things in the manner that you believe a God would.

Whether there is a God isn't even really the issue. The issue is whether a supreme being makes any impact to us, human beings. Religion has not been able to provide any evidence for this - it's all about 'feeling' like God is with you. Science however has consistently found the actual reasons behind phenomena we previously believed were evidence of God, such as the sun rising or the tides or the seasons. Religion is entirely based on 'that's how it is because I said so' whereas science is based on 'let's see what we can find out by exploring this further.

 

[mazHur]

You are correct, since it was good enough for Muhammad.

bullshit!! Can't believe how ignorant people in the West could be about others!!

 

[mazHur]

That's not a problem with science, that's a problem with a woman not keeping track of who she slept with. If she brought all those men in for DNA testing, science would indeed be able to ascertain the father of her child.



Okay. I don't think you really understand anything that's been said here, because numerous people including myself have pointed out that science is not competing with religion, nor has science ever claimed to 'create' things in the manner that you believe a God would.

Whether there is a God isn't even really the issue. The issue is whether a supreme being makes any impact to us, human beings. Religion has not been able to provide any evidence for this - it's all about 'feeling' like God is with you. Science however has consistently found the actual reasons behind phenomena we previously believed were evidence of God, such as the sun rising or the tides or the seasons. Religion is entirely based on 'that's how it is because I said so' whereas science is based on 'let's see what we can find out by exploring this further.

There is always an escape door, IF, in Science!! God has its influence over billions of people .....and that is enough proof of his significance to humanity and scientists. All that science is coming to know from time to time is already mentioned in the centuries old scriptures!! Science is telling us nothing new about anything, just trying to tell us old stories burried in the realm of God!

 

[Tim]

bullshit!! Can't believe how ignorant people in the West could be about others!!

So you do not believe in the historical accuracy of the Hadith?

Some Muslims respond by denying the hadith itself, which is a mistake. The accounts of Muhammad sleeping with a 9-year-old are no less reliable than those on which the five pillars of Islam are based. They have been an accepted part of tradition and did not become controversial until social mores began to change with the modern age.

Book 008, Number 3309:

'A'isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported: Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) married me when I was six years old, and I was admitted to his house at the age of nine. She further said: We went to Medina and I had an attack of fever for a month, and my hair had come down to the earlobes. Umm Ruman (my mother) came to me and I was at that time on a swing along with my playmates. She called me loudly and I went to her and I did not know what she had wanted of me. She took hold of my hand and took me to the door, and I was saying: Ha, ha (as if I was gasping), until the agitation of my heart was over. She took me to a house, where had gathered the women of the Ansar. They all blessed me and wished me good luck and said: May you have share in good. She (my mother) entrusted me to them. They washed my head and embellished me and nothing frightened me. Allah's Messenger (, may peace be upon him) came there in the morning, and I was entrusted to him.
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Book 008, Number 3310:

'A'isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported: Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) married me when I was six years old, and I was admitted to his house when I was nine years old.
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Book 008, Number 3311:

'A'isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported that Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) married her when she was seven years old, and he was taken to his house as a bride when she was nine, and her dolls were with her; and when he (the Holy Prophet) died she was eighteen years old.
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[mazHur]

science and the creator might be one and the same.....theres a throry that this planet might well have been 'seeded' from another place inhabited by beings.....beings that are far in advance of us,which would mean they are the creator using science to create us

that's a good point, reminds me of Gulliver's Travels!!

 

[HK]

God has its influence over billions of people .....and that is enough proof of his significance to humanity and scientists.

That is not proof. All it proves is that people are willing to take on a belief because it makes them feel better, or it explains scary natural occurrences, or it stops them worrying about death.

All that science is coming to know from time to time is already mentioned in the centuries old scriptures!! Science is telling us nothing new about anything, just trying to tell us old stories burried in the realm of God!

Link please. I very much doubt that scripture contained details on open heart surgery, 3D tv's, and nuclear power. So let's see your proof of this claim. If you don't provide any, I'll just go ahead and assume you made that up for some reason.

 

[mazHur]

So you do not believe in the historical accuracy of the Hadith?

No! Just talk to me about the Quran!!
hadith or Traditions as they are called are mere compilations of whatever was told to the compiler, in the same way as we are telling each other about this and that leaving no room for anyone to believe what is right and what is wrong unless something appeals to the commonsense and is viewed in its proper context.

Firstly you said Aisha was 9 now you say she was 7!! What a paradox!

Have you read the Arabian Nights??? You seem to be lost in it!!