God does things just for me

[All Else Failed]

This is the best thread ever.

 

[Tim]

No! Just talk to me about the Quran!!
hadith or Traditions as they are called are mere compilations of whatever was told to the compiler, in the same way as we are telling each other about this and that leaving no room for anyone to believe what is right and what is wrong unless something appeals to the commonsense and is viewed in its proper context.

Firstly you said Aisha was 9 now you say she was 7!! What a paradox!

Have you read the Arabian Nights??? You seem to be lost in it!!

Hey, what ever floats your boat. :24:

So I guess if history disagrees with your beloved leader, then it isn't real. It's a shame there are many historians that disagree with you.

In summary, Islam's holiest texts portray Muhammad not as a perfect man, but as a sexual hedonist. Not only did he become fat from indulging in food, but his pursuit of sex was no less gluttonous. On top of it all, he used personal "revelations" from Allah to justify his debauchery to the gullible masses which, to this day, continue to be venerated and memorized as if they are the holiest of utterances.

enlighten yourself to your own religion if you are going to spew it out as fact...

 

[HK]

Firstly you said Aisha was 9 now you say she was 7!! What a paradox!

If you'd actually read the quote, numerous times it says they were married when she was six or seven, but not admitted to his house until she was nine.

 

[mazHur]

That is not proof. All it proves is that people are willing to take on a belief because it makes them feel better, or it explains scary natural occurrences, or it stops them worrying about death.

maybe in some cases but as far as I am concerned, a Muslim, I did not fear the earthquake that shook my house and all of Pakistan!! I or we as Muslim have strong faith that ''Life and Death is in the Hands Of God''....and that Death is inevitable. Perhaps this is the reason Muslims are tenacious and fearless when it comes to Jihad the mere mention of which makes the enemies tremble with fear!! But this doesn't mean Muslims would go on Jihad without a solid reason....which hurts them or their religion! this also should not be implied to the wave of terrorism going on againt the US by a handful of so-called Saudi arabs and their allies for political reasons!

Link please. I very much doubt that scripture contained details on open heart surgery, 3D tv's, and nuclear power. So let's see your proof of this claim. If you don't provide any, I'll just go ahead and assume you made that up for some reason.

Aha! I don't remember any specific link but here is one am posting unread to satisfy your curiosity..will research for authentic ones and post asap

http://www.islamreligion.com/articles/212/


Moeover you can google for videos and articles on the topic by Zakir Naik for a better understanding about Islam and the questions you raised

 

[mazHur]

If you'd actually read the quote, numerous times it says they were married when she was six or seven, but not admitted to his house until she was nine.

As I said the whole story is bullshit and doesn't find any followers at any place among Muslims eventhough the word of Muhammad has a final meaning for every Muslim!! It's just like saying some other prophet or son or daughter of god were gay! Ofcouse I wouldn't believe it even if you said it in the NYT!

 

[mazHur]

If you'd actually read the quote, numerous times it says they were married when she was six or seven, but not admitted to his house until she was nine.

here again I do not need to learn my religion from any x y z.....I know right from wrong...those who say he married a child tell him to comply with it and then look how his face changes into pale death!!

 

[mazHur]

Hey, what ever floats your boat. :24:

So I guess if history disagrees with your beloved leader, then it isn't real. It's a shame there are many historians that disagree with you.

Which historians??? Are they authorities on the subject??? Just trash from internet does not make them better than me ...It would be shame if I showed you the mirror so better just shut up !

enlighten yourself to your own religion if you are going to spew it out as fact...

What the fuck are you telling me to do?? Teaching a grandma to suck eggs?? Huh!
Just mind your own business and don't provoke me to unleash my tongue..and i refrain from doing that because of forum rules!

It really boggles my mind as to How could anyone be a so-called Humanist who is not God-fearing , an intolerant liar and a bully???

 

[mazHur]

The Earth’s Atmosphere The Quran on Human Embryonic Development The Quran on Mountains The Quran on the Cerebrum The Quran on Seas and Rivers The Quran on Deep Seas and Internal Waves The Quran on Clouds Scientists’ Comments on the Scientific Miracles in the Holy Quran The Quran on the Expanding Universe and the Big Bang Theory The Miracle of Iron The Victory of the Romans and the Lowest Point on Earth

 

[skyblue]

religion is regional anyway,if you are from the middle east or north africa chances are you're a muslim,if from the west its likely you're christian

 

[Tim]

As I said the whole story is bullshit and doesn't find any followers at any place among Muslims eventhough the word of Muhammad has a final meaning for every Muslim!! It's just like saying some other prophet or son or daughter of god were gay! Ofcouse I wouldn't believe it even if you said it in the NYT!

Hadith are narrations concerning the words and deeds of the Islamic prophet Muhammad. Hadith are regarded by traditional Islamic schools of jurisprudence as important tools for understanding the Qur'an and in matters of jurisprudence. Hadith were evaluated and gathered into large collections during the 8th and 9th centuries. These works are referred to in matters of Islamic law and history to this day. The two main denominations of Islam, Shiʻism and Sunnism, have different sets of Hadith collections.
It should be noted that some Muslims believe that many or even all Hadith do not accurately represent Muhammad's life or teachings. These Muslims believe that only the Qur'an should be accepted as authoritative. Muslims who are willing to publicly avow this Quran alone position are few in number and fragmented into several small sects.

So your laws are based on the Hadith yet you don't believe in its accuracy. Interesting.

And not every Muslim is a Quron Alone follower. There are many that believe in the Hadith, hell, your own laws are based and referred to the Hadith.

And please don't worry about me and my safety for saying such things. My head is quite safe from being separated from my body. Not to many crazy's in my neighborhood.

 

[Tim]

The Earth’s Atmosphere The Quran on Human Embryonic Development The Quran on Mountains The Quran on the Cerebrum The Quran on Seas and Rivers The Quran on Deep Seas and Internal Waves The Quran on Clouds Scientists’ Comments on the Scientific Miracles in the Holy Quran The Quran on the Expanding Universe and the Big Bang Theory The Miracle of Iron The Victory of the Romans and the Lowest Point on Earth

Yeah, the ramblings of a madman on opium should be taken as seriously as those from Nostradamus. If you write enough vague ramblings on paper, some are bound to be interpreted as something meaningful.

 

[skyblue]

Yeah, the ramblings of a madman on opium should be taken as seriously as those from Nostradamus. If you write enough vague ramblings on paper, some are bound to be interpreted as something meaningful.

as it goes,i like reading nostrodamus,he predicted a german dictator called hister:nod:

 

[edgray]

as it goes,i like reading nostrodamus,he predicted a german dictator called hister:nod:

... which turned out to be a reference to the Danube...

 

[HK]

Aha! I don't remember any specific link but here is one am posting unread to satisfy your curiosity..will research for authentic ones and post asap

http://www.islamreligion.com/articles/212/

Moeover you can google for videos and articles on the topic by Zakir Naik for a better understanding about Islam and the questions you raised

I didn't ask for an article on what the origins of the universe are, I asked for a link to the scriptures which gave details of scientific advances they would have had no way of knowing about. If you can't find one then again, I'll assume you made it up. If you're going to make outlandish claims then either back them up, or admit they have no basis in truth.

 

[mazHur]

religion is regional anyway,if you are from the middle east or north africa chances are you're a muslim,if from the west its likely you're christian

Wrong! Muslims and Christians are found in all countries of the world although their religions were not born in their own countries. You could at the best say that Islam spread from Arabia to every corner of the world!
Christianity also shot up from the ME and spread to the West...where unfortunately it is being denigrated by the skeptics and many Christians themselves.
Christianity and Judaism began much earlier than Islam, Christianity flourished more then Judaism but Islam
kept pace with time and is now just behind Christianity while Judaism has dwindled.

 

[skyblue]

why cant people realise that they are born into a religion,they are brought up in it...so everything else is wrong

 

[mazHur]

So your laws are based on the Hadith yet you don't believe in its accuracy. Interesting.

And not every Muslim is a Quron Alone follower. There are many that believe in the Hadith, hell, your own laws are based and referred to the Hadith.

And please don't worry about me and my safety for saying such things. My head is quite safe from being separated from my body. Not to many crazy's in my neighborhood.

dude, why don't you understand there are many sects among Muslims with various beliefs?? The sect that believes in Ahadith are called Ehl-e-Hadith.......whereas Wahabi's (the Saudi's) take every word of Quran literally (like the Protestants), then there are the Sunni's ( the liberals) who believe in the way of Muhammad, and the Shia's who believe in the way of Ali!! But the Quran is equally, unanimously and unequivocally believe in the same and One Quran! However, since the hadith are compilations of anything and everything including hearsay or truth suffer from controversies...and may be partially acceptable to one sect and not to another. Moreover the hadith were written down about 80 years after the death of Muhammad they all cannot be admitted with eyes closed hence the controversy. Hadith, fyi, is to be judged on the basis and in context to tenets of the Quran. If it disagrees with the commands of the Quran it is to be thrown away!! Islamic jurisprudence is thus primarily based on Quran but certain authentic and unanimously Hadith are also relied upon in forming Muslim law! How about you? do you believe in the entire Bible or just the NT??? (i am not sure if you are a Christian or a Jew??) Or, do you flatly shun your book and adopt a different 'doctrine' to suit your interest?? Your head may be safe but you,if you're an American, are burdened with a debt of USD45000/- and all your fellow citizens each with the same!! that is enough of a burden to make one's arrogant head bow!

 

[mazHur]

why cant people realise that they are born into a religion,they are brought up in it...so everything else is wrong

do you mean to say you are a fan of Hitler??

 

[HK]

do you mean to say you are a fan of Hitler??

I have literally no idea how you managed to make 'people born into one religion will always think they are right above others' into 'I like hitler!'

Can you explain your logic? Or by asking that, did I reveal to you in code that I agree with scientology?

 

[mazHur]

why cant people realise that they are born into a religion,they are brought up in it...so everything else is wrong

true but who stops a grown up to change his way??? Many seem to have changed theirs but it is bad for them to denigrate faiths of those who believe. that is what is called ''intolerance and narrow-mindedness' and I note that such negative traits overshadow the personality of those who don't believe any religion or system of life!