God cannot love or be Love.

[doombug]

If man wasn't worth saving, and God decided on a do-over, why did he use defective parts? If man is by nature "sinful" what made God think he would get different results by eradicating all but 8 people (assuming Noah's sons were not polygamists )? That sounds like Einstein's definition of insanity.

Who's to say God won't destroy our world if people choose the same path as they did then? Alot is up to what we humans choose to do.

 

[doombug]

I know many here will not understand this but I am making this post strictly from a philosophical stand point. When you look at what we know about the universe and what the bible says it does add up.

If you consider what the bible says in Romans 1:20 :"For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse."

Then we can learn alot from the universe. Take cold and heat as a basic scientific principle that exists in our universe. Cold is a name we give to the absence of heat. In reality there is no cold. There is only absence of heat.
True cold can only exist with the absence of heat.

Same with light and dark. How do we make darkness? By removing light. So darkness is only the absence of light. There can be no darkness with light present.

These are basic scientific principles that exist and really show how our universe works.

The bible says God is good. In Matthew 19:17 “Why do you ask me about what is good?” Jesus replied. “There is only One who is good."

So if God is good the absence of God is evil. With the absence of evil how can humans have the knowledge of good and evil. Evil must be present to have the knowledge and make the choice. Mankind had to have an existence where God wasn't fully present otherwise evil could not exist. Adam and Eve chose that existence by wanting to have the knowledge of good and evil. Well, we got it.

 

[Greatest I am]

If man wasn't worth saving, and God decided on a do-over, why did he use defective parts? If man is by nature "sinful" what made God think he would get different results by eradicating all but 8 people (assuming Noah's sons were not polygamists )? That sounds like Einstein's definition of insanity.

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I find it strange that a God with a pocket full of miracles would kill when he can just as easily take the moral route and cure all those that he created defective in the first place.

I am told though that God created us and, morals or not, he can damned well do what he wants with us.
Those fools tend to go away when I ask if they can do whatever they want with their children.

Regards
DL

 

[doombug]

I find it strange that a God with a pocket full of miracles would kill when he can just as easily take the moral route and cure all those that he created defective in the first place.

The only way to do so would be to take away free will and defeating the purpose of our existence. Get your head out of your ass already and move on to the next level of reasoning.

I am told though that God created us and, morals or not, he can damned well do what he wants with us.
Those fools tend to go away when I ask if they can do whatever they want with their children.

Regards
DL

Some people do what they want with their children.

The problem with your comparison, as I have pointed out, is that you are comparing humans to an Almighty being. You are comparing apples to oranges.

Human parent/child relationship does not equal Creator/ human relationship.

 

[Greatest I am]

The only way to do so would be to take away free will and defeating the purpose of our existence

Does killing someone not take away their choice to not be killed?

. Get your head out of your ass already and move on to the next level of reasoning.

Just did. Let us now see yours with a direct answer.

Some people do what they want with their children.

True. But if like God does, and they take away what would keep them alive, then they would be tried and found guilty in any court.
You respect your God for doing what you would jail a human for doing.

The problem with your comparison, as I have pointed out, is that you are comparing humans to an Almighty being. You are comparing apples to oranges.

Not according to scriptures that say A & E ended with the same moral sense that God has.
Gen 3. You might try reading it.

Human parent/child relationship does not equal Creator/ human relationship.

That is for sure. Man has taken justice and common sense much further and better.

Would you like to live by God's laws?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-2_LqOS3uo

Regards
DL

 

[doombug]

Does killing someone not take away their choice to not be killed?

It also takes away their life on earth so what's your point?

Just did. Let us now see yours with a direct answer.

I doubt it. Looks like you only went deeper in.

True. But if like God does, and they take away what would keep them alive, then they would be tried and found guilty in any court. You respect your God for doing what you would jail a human for doing.

Not always. There are many unsolved cases and then there are the Casey Anthony situations.

Not according to scriptures that say A & E ended with the same moral sense that God has. Gen 3. You might try reading it.

Not completely. A&E only ended with the knowledge of good and evil. You might try not twisting the truth.

That is for sure. Man has taken justice and common sense much further and better.

Wrong again. Humans have been murdering and torturing each other for a long time. I wonder how many people have been killed as a result of human decision to take lives? How many people starve to death everyday because other people refuse to give them what they need to live?

Would you like to live by God's laws?

Regards
DL

I don't have a problem with God's laws like you do. I am sure you don't believe in God because if no God exists then you don't have to conform your behavior.

 

[HK]

I am sure you don't believe in God because if no God exists then you don't have to conform your behavior.

If it were really true, that people who don't believe in God had no restrictions on their behaviour, then the world would be a far nastier place.

There are religious people who've done terrible things, same as there are atheists who've done fantastic things. Religious belief sometimes appears to have no bearing on whether or not someone is a good person at all. How unusual.

 

[doombug]

If it were really true, that people who don't believe in God had no restrictions on their behaviour, then the world would be a far nastier place.

There are religious people who've done terrible things, same as there are atheists who've done fantastic things. Religious belief sometimes appears to have no bearing on whether or not someone is a good person at all. How unusual.

This is only proof of how fallible humans are. The bible even predicts people pretending to be Christians when they don't follow the bible. I believe the world would be a better place if people truly followed the bible.

So with humans proven to be so flawed I don't put much faith in them. That is why I look for the truth for myself. I think many choose Atheism so they don't need to be held accountable to God and don't have to modify their behavior.

 

[CityGirl]

The world would be a better place if people followed The Golden Rule which dates back to antiquity and is found in some form in every ethical tradition and HK is right, religious belief has no bearing on how people conform their behavior and it is amazing how many people believe this. Anecdotally, I work with an avowed atheist. He was transporting a critical patient with the transport team and one of the team members asked him what church he went to and he said "I don't, why do you ask?" to which she replied, "You're just so nice I thought you went to church." He responded, "I'm an atheist". Quite a look of surprise on the girl's face. But then, there probably aren't many atheists in Oklahoma.

 

[Greatest I am]

I don't have a problem with God's laws like you do. I am sure you don't believe in God because if no God exists then you don't have to conform your behavior.

If your God existed; I would change my behavior from a peace loving man to one who would go gunning for your genocidal maniac. I would seek justice.

Originally Posted by Greatest I am
Does killing someone not take away their choice to not be killed?




It also takes away their life on earth so what's your point?

My point has shown that your free will point is not valid.
I am sure you did not miss it. You just try to ignore it.

Regards
DL

 

[Panacea]

The world would be a better place if people followed The Golden Rule which dates back to antiquity and is found in some form in every ethical tradition and HK is right, religious belief has no bearing on how people conform their behavior and it is amazing how many people believe this. Anecdotally, I work with an avowed atheist. He was transporting a critical patient with the transport team and one of the team members asked him what church he went to and he said "I don't, why do you ask?" to which she replied, "You're just so nice I thought you went to church." He responded, "I'm an atheist". Quite a look of surprise on the girl's face. But then, there probably aren't many atheists in Oklahoma.

I've heard this lol. I'm told I present incredibly mild and thoughtful, and I guess they assume it's religion! Go figure, I've not been religious one day of my life. My boyfriend always tells me people assume I'm christian because I wear so many cardigans. Bah I like cardigans

 

[Greatest I am]

This is only proof of how fallible humans are. The bible even predicts people pretending to be Christians when they don't follow the bible. I believe the world would be a better place if people truly followed the bible.

So with humans proven to be so flawed I don't put much faith in them. That is why I look for the truth for myself. I think many choose Atheism so they don't need to be held accountable to God and don't have to modify their behavior.

Why modify what is already better than so called believer's ways?

Check the stats.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94f2h-5TvbM&feature=player_embedded

Regards
DL

 

[doombug]

If your God existed; I would change my behavior from a peace loving man to one who would go gunning for your genocidal maniac. I would seek justice.

So you would justify murder? That's nice.

Originally Posted by Greatest I am
Does killing someone not take away their choice to not be killed?

So your solution is to kill everyone? I am not surprised.

My point has shown that your free will point is not valid.
I am sure you did not miss it. You just try to ignore it.

Regards
DL

Your point is that your solution to free will is murder. Thanks for the reveal.

 

[doombug]

I've heard this lol. I'm told I present incredibly mild and thoughtful, and I guess they assume it's religion! Go figure, I've not been religious one day of my life. My boyfriend always tells me people assume I'm christian because I wear so many cardigans. Bah I like cardigans

The Christian image came from somewhere.....Christians....hahaha!

 

[doombug]

Why modify what is already better than so called believer's ways?

Check the stats.

Regards
DL

Why don't you just post the stats instead of a silly YouTube video.

 

[Greatest I am]

Your point is that your solution to free will is murder. Thanks for the reveal.

Thanks for the distortion.

It shows how honest you aren't.

Then again, that is not why you post. Pathetic.

Regards
DL

 

[doombug]

Thanks for the distortion.

It shows how honest you aren't.

Then again, that is not why you post. Pathetic.

Regards
DL

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And I thought you had taken your head out....No answer huh?


Regards
db

 

[CityGirl]

Why should he repost stats that are present in the video? Participation in this sort of dialogue requires extending the basic courtesy to seek first to understand which requires taking time to view videos that the OP considers integral to the subject matter.

 

[doombug]

Why should he repost stats that are present in the video? Participation in this sort of dialogue requires extending the basic courtesy to seek first to understand which requires taking time to view videos that the OP considers integral to the subject matter.

Because looking at stats doesn't take 9 minutes and many of these videos don't give the source for the info. So it is probably false anyway.

 

[CityGirl]