Here is the difference though. Atheism isn't a skin color and for you to make that comparison is totally irrational. Such a tactic is akin to Godwin's Law and a shame that you would use such a cowardly way to get out of proving your point.
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Here is the difference though. Atheism isn't a skin color and for you to make that comparison is totally irrational. Such a tactic is akin to Godwin's Law and a shame that you would use such a cowardly way to get out of proving your point.
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And you have just proven the point I made earlier.
What I am referring to is the YouTube video that GIA posted. He claims it contains stats that prove atheists are just as moral as others. I really don't see how this can be proven and is really a matter of opinion more than anything else. Funny how no one calls him prejudiced for posting such things. This only shows a double standard and is proof of anti-Christian bigotry.
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No proof only if you ignore statistics and you do.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94f2h-5TvbM&feature=player_embedded
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If you murder one person or a thousand you are still evil. It's just the second is more successful at being evil. I would rather see your statistics on how many evil atheists there are compared to how many evil theists. You think it's much more likely for an atheist to be evil than a theist. But that's because you're prejudiced.
But if the majority of people in the world are religious and Atheists are in the minority it makes sense the Atheists are much worse for mankind if they produce a higher body count. I really don't look at Atheists as being more "evil". I just see that the criticism against Christians is negated by this.
Oh come on now BR. I'm not prejudiced I think Atheism should not simply be tolerated but should be countered, criticized, and exposed by rational argument wherever its influence arises. What is wrong with that?
So I guess you think that believing in myths and fairy tales is more rational than not...
It absolutely blows my mind that someone like you cannot even see the stupidity of that statement.
You think those who do not believe in God should be countered, criticized and exposed? I assume that only applies to the god you believe in, right? Or should you be countered, criticized and exposed for not believing in any of the following...
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So which God do you believe in? All of the above?
Let's see if you can follow the bouncing ball.
You said, "I think Atheism should not simply be tolerated but should be countered, criticized, and exposed by rational argument wherever its influence arises."
Then I called you a hypocrite for that view since you do not believe in all of those gods I listed.
So how can you or anyone else be right about picking 1 god to believe in from a list of hundreds of gods and I'm not right because I don't believe in any of them?
My post directly addresses the issue at hand, it is you that fail to address my valid question/point.
Let's see if you can read and understand....
This hasn't been about being right about the existence of God. If you go back you will see the theme of whether Atheists and Theists are morally equal.
Your post only continues to shift the subject from one thing to another. Take another stab at staying on subject if you have the balls.
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So what? You're evasive in your lack-of-meat answers. I won't say 100% but generally speaking you provide no rational argument. This is how you function in an intellectual exchange. To keep your argument going, you can only counter in generalities or demands for proof from the other party.
Tim's question to you was completely logical and to the point. Atheism has nothing to do with a moral standard. What makes you think that Atheists and Theists are not morally equal? For every Atheist leader you can pick out who is responsible for murder, there are at least as many Theist leaders guilty of the same thing.
Sounds like you are bias and prejudice. Why would believing in your God make you morally superior? I'm waiting for your version of smoke and mirrors.
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Nah, I am just trying to stay on the subject at hand. It seems whenever someone here has no answers they either change the subject or find an excuse to run away.
If that isn't the case then where is Tim?
Nah, Tim wanted to discuss belief in God and not moral equality. If you can prove it then do it or run away like Tim.
Sounds like you are bias and prejudice. Why would believing in your God make you morally superior? I'm waiting for your version of smoke and mirrors.
I am waiting for someone to prove Atheists morally equal to Theists or even Christians. I have not made the claim Theists are more superior. Prove they are equally moral or run along like everyone else. Maybe you don't think Atheism should be countered, criticized, and exposed by rational argument?
Asking for proof that atheists are not less moral than everyone else is insulting. If you think they are less moral then you need to prove that. You have no evidence they are less moral because there is none. Yet you persist in your belief that they are. That is prejudice plain and simple.
Prejudice is immoral. Therefore you are an immoral theist. But if I were to judge all theists by one person then I would be prejudice. Therefore I maintain that theists are just as moral as atheists. I will not stoop to prejudice.
Minor Axis
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You are exasperating and full of shit. Your premise is that Atheists are inferior. You prove it.
Nah, I am no more prejudiced than the Christian haters here. I am not making the claim that Atheists are not as moral as Christians. I am saying that is something that can't be proven. By not showing proof that Atheists and Christians are morally equal you have proven my point.
Again, I am not making the claim that Atheists are inferior. You are trying to create an argument you think you can win.
The "I'm just as immoral as _____________" argument works for you, bug. Suits your style.
I, for one, don't hate christians. Can't think of anyone here that actually does. I think the bible is more a work of fiction than not and I say so. I also think it can be interpreted in a number of ways, which dilutes its worthiness as a factual work. Fin. Get butthurt over it all you want, because it's ultimately inconsequential to my view of non-fundamentalist christians.
I, for one, don't hate christians. Can't think of anyone here that actually does. I think the bible is more a work of fiction than not and I say so. I also think it can be interpreted in a number of ways, which dilutes its worthiness as a factual work. Fin. Get butthurt over it all you want, because it's ultimately inconsequential to my view of non-fundamentalist christians.
Oh my, I guess you have worked up the courage to take me off of "ignore". Congrats. :24:
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