God cannot love or be Love.

[Tim]

Why should I? No one can explain how that point of view makes me prejudiced so why should I move on to any other subject until someone explains. No one can show proof of moral equality between Atheists and Theists either. But I have countered, critcized and exposed Atheists on this forum already. Funny how you and others here dodge my questions.

That's because your question starts with a false premise.

You are starting your line of questioning with the assumption that they didn't start out equal in morality to begin with. We are all born neither theists nor atheists, we are all assumed to be born with the same morality. It is only later in life that we chose where our spirituality will lie, if at all. If you want to argue that one subset is different than the other, then you need to show that to be the truth. It's not the other way around. I would view theists or atheists as morally equivalent until proven otherwise.
And even then it will be nothing more than a percentage because I can guarantee you that I am more moral than some theists...

 

[Panacea]

I've been on a few other forums where christian apologists masquerade as neutral, unbiased sources of wisdom (well, shit, mostly pointless bible trivia), never outwardly revealing their beliefs or putting themselves up for scrutiny (spineless twats) merely antagonizing those who do disclose (interestingly it's usually those who don't disclose being christian). Once confronted and exposed as bullshitting christian apologists (just be out about it, sheesh, why the shame?) their posts always spiral into a recital of logical fallacy definitions with no actual topics being covered. Kinda sounds like the bug. Not saying it's the case, but they smell the same.

You are only antagonistic towards those who don't claim to know if a god exists, or claim to assume a god doesn't exist. I don't see you being antagonistic towards those who claim a god(s) exist(s). No ideologies get that sort of treatment in your posts. That is my take on your prejudice. I can only base my opinion of you on your posts. If you're not, in fact, prejudiced, be warned you come across as such.

I've answered your question honestly. Answer this one.

Well, I do not believe in any deities. ie I am an Atheist.

So can you please counter, criticize and expose this?

 

[doombug]

That's because your question starts with a false premise.

You are starting your line of questioning with the assumption that they didn't start out equal in morality to begin with. We are all born neither theists nor atheists, we are all assumed to be born with the same morality. It is only later in life that we chose where our spirituality will lie, if at all. If you want to argue that one subset is different than the other, then you need to show that to be the truth. It's not the other way around. I would view theists or atheists as morally equivalent until proven otherwise. And even then it will be nothing more than a percentage because I can guarantee you that I am more moral than some theists...

So you seem to be saying the same thing I am saying: This moral equality thing can't really be proven. Is that correct?

 

[Tim]

So you seem to be saying the same thing I am saying: This moral equality thing can't really be proven. Is that correct?

Not at all. I am saying they are morally equivalent until proven otherwise.

 

[doombug]

I've been on a few other forums where christian apologists masquerade as neutral, unbiased sources of wisdom (well, shit, mostly pointless bible trivia), never outwardly revealing their beliefs or putting themselves up for scrutiny (spineless twats) merely antagonizing those who do disclose (interestingly it's usually those who don't disclose being christian). Once confronted and exposed as bullshitting christian apologists (just be out about it, sheesh, why the shame?) their posts always spiral into a recital of logical fallacy definitions with no actual topics being covered. Kinda sounds like the bug. Not saying it's the case, but they smell the same.

You are only antagonistic towards those who don't claim to know if a god exists, or claim to assume a god doesn't exist. I don't see you being antagonistic towards those who claim a god(s) exist(s). No ideologies get that sort of treatment in your posts. That is my take on your prejudice. I can only base my opinion of you on your posts. If you're not, in fact, prejudiced, be warned you come across as such.

I've answered your question honestly. Answer this one.

Well, I do not believe in any deities. ie I am an Atheist.

So can you please counter, criticize and expose this?

I really doubt you have seen such on "other forums". Sounds like it is only in your mind. Either way I am not a Christian apologists, real or imagined. There is no one here posting any pro-Christian info so there is no one to counter. There is only anti-Christian bigotry with attempts to cover it up with claims of non-belief. There is nothing wrong with being a non-believer but many here take it a step further and think that it gives them license to go after those who do believe. But when the tables are turned they cry foul. hahaha! Hypocrites! What's wrong does your thinking not stand up to reason? :24:

 

[doombug]

Not at all. I am saying they are morally equivalent until proven otherwise.

So you claim something exists without proof? Aren't you sinning against your faith of non-belief?

If you so demand that nothing exists without proof, such as God, then how can you not apply the same rules.....

 

[Panacea]

I really doubt you have seen such on "other forums". Sounds like it is only in your mind.

I'm not sure if you're used to making up fake stories, but I don't.

Either way I am not a Christian apologists, real or imagined. There is no one here posting any pro-Christian info so there is no one to counter. There is only anti-Christian bigotry with attempts to cover it up with claims of non-belief. There is nothing wrong with being a non-believer but many here take it a step further and think that it gives them license to go after those who do believe. But when the tables are turned they cry foul. hahaha! Hypocrites! What's wrong does your thinking not stand up to reason? :24:

Have you really seen anti-Christian bigotry or bible criticism? They're very very different.
Who is crying foul, bug? My thinking stands up to reason just fine, but you haven't offended anyone here.

I've answered your question honestly. Answer this one.

Well, I do not believe in any deities. ie I am an Atheist.

So can you please counter, criticize and expose this?

 

[doombug]

I'm not sure if you're used to making up fake stories, but I don't.



Have you really seen anti-Christian bigotry or bible criticism? They're very very different.
Who is crying foul, bug? My thinking stands up to reason just fine, but you haven't offended anyone here.

I've answered your question honestly. Answer this one.

Well, I do not believe in any deities. ie I am an Atheist.

So can you please counter, criticize and expose this?

Ahh, passing on the same question? I'll give you the same answer I gave Tim: Why should I answer any of your questions when no one has answered mine?

 

[Panacea]

Ahh, passing on the same question? I'll give you the same answer I gave Tim: Why should I answer any of your questions when no one has answered mine?

I can only guess why you wouldn't answer questions, but I have answered yours here.
The bug demands answers, does not supply answers.

 

[Tim]

So you claim something exists without proof? Aren't you sinning against your faith of non-belief?

If you so demand that nothing exists without proof, such as God, then how can you not apply the same rules.....

WTF are you talking about?

What don't you understand about this statement?

ALL humans are considered morally equal until there is proof to the contrary.
If you want to claim one group has more morals, it is you that the burden of proof falls on, not me.

My faith of non-belief??? What the fuck is that?
I have all kinds of beliefs, hell, I have MORE beliefs than most theists since their one belief in god precludes them from believing in MANY things science has shown us.

You really do not understand atheism, do you.

I am not an atheist because you cannot show me proof of a god, I am an atheist because I haven't seen anything that would lead me to believe there is a god.

I believe that there is life outside of our universe, but I have no such proof.....

 

[doombug]

I can only guess why you wouldn't answer questions, but I have answered yours here.
The bug demands answers, does not supply answers.

Well, let me explain something to you and Tim. Earlier in this thread BornReady called me prejudice. I explained why I respond to Atheism the way I do and asked him to explain to me why that made me prejudice. He never did. Instead he ran away. Tim jumps in and basically says the same thing and calls me prejudice. I repeated my reasoning and asked how that made me prejudice. Instead of giving me a straight answer he switches the subject.

Now Panacea I don't think you care much for being called names so I don't see how you can go along with this, but you are going along with it. Maybe you guys don't think I deserve an answer but I do. I would be glad to discuss anything but until I do I think I deserve an answer to my question: I think Atheism should not simply be tolerated but should be countered, criticized, and exposed by rational argument. I have even added that I don't have a problem with ANYTHING being held up to the same scrutiny. How does this make me prejudiced?

 

[Tim]

Well, let me explain something to you and Tim. Earlier in this thread BornReady called me prejudice. I explained why I respond to Atheism the way I do and asked him to explain to me why that made me prejudice. He never did. Instead he ran away. Tim jumps in and basically says the same thing and calls me prejudice. I repeated my reasoning and asked how that made me prejudice. Instead of giving me a straight answer he switches the subject.

Now Panacea I don't think you care much for being called names so I don't see how you can go along with this, but you are going along with it. Maybe you guys don't think I deserve an answer but I do. I would be glad to discuss anything but until I do I think I deserve an answer to my question: I think Atheism should not simply be tolerated but should be countered, criticized, and exposed by rational argument. I have even added that I don't have a problem with ANYTHING being held up to the same scrutiny. How does this make me prejudiced?

This can be explained to you until the cows come home, but I don't think it will help. And here's why...
You just stated your prejudice against atheism again and you can't even see it.

When you say atheism should not be tolerated, you are displaying a prejudice.
It would be the same thing if I sat here and said Christian Ideology should not be tolerated but should be countered, criticized and exposed by rational argument. In other terms, I would be saying that I am prejudice against Christian Ideology and won't tolerate it so I'll criticize it and rationally expose it for what it is. So how is that any different?
I would be in that instance very prejudice against Christian Ideology.

 

[Minor Axis]

Ok, let's try another approach here since I'm not getting anywhere.

Nor will anyone who hopes to have a meaningful exchange with a bug.

Sounds like it is only in your mind.

The dung beetle is trying to sell a huge ball of shit as dark chocolate.

And you have just proven the point I made earlier.

You did not contest you are ridiculous.

 

[doombug]

This can be explained to you until the cows come home, but I don't think it will help. And here's why...
You just stated your prejudice against atheism again and you can't even see it.

When you say atheism should not be tolerated, you are displaying a prejudice.
It would be the same thing if I sat here and said Christian Ideology should not be tolerated but should be countered, criticized and exposed by rational argument. In other terms, I would be saying that I am prejudice against Christian Ideology and won't tolerate it so I'll criticize it and rationally expose it for what it is. So how is that any different?I would be in that instance very prejudice against Christian Ideology.

Oh really? It would be the same? Then the New Atheist movement is just as prejudiced. Here is what this movement advocates: New Atheism is the name given to a movement among some 21st-century atheist writers who have advocated the view that "religion should not simply be tolerated but should be countered,
criticized, and exposed by rational argument wherever its influence arises."

That quote comes from a wikipedia article you can check out here: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=New_Atheism&mobileaction=view_normal_site

The source for the wikipedia article is CNN.

Now, maybe you would like to contact Richard Dawkins and the gang to let them know how prejudiced you think they are. For myself, I say reciprocity is fair play!

 

[Tim]

Oh really? It would be the same? Then the New Atheist movement is just as prejudiced. Here is what this movement advocates: New Atheism is the name given to a movement among some 21st-century atheist writers who have advocated the view that "religion should not simply be tolerated but should be countered,
criticized, and exposed by rational argument wherever its influence arises."

That quote comes from a wikipedia article you can check out here: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=New_Atheism&mobileaction=view_normal_site

The source for the wikipedia article is CNN.

Now, maybe you would like to contact Richard Dawkins and the gang to let them know how prejudiced you think they are. For myself, I say reciprocity is fair play!

Sorry don't see your point.

I am an atheist, that doesn't mean I know anything about this group, nor does it mean I give a shit what their mission statement is.

So again, I'll say... I don't see your point.

 

[doombug]

Sorry don't see your point.

I am an atheist, that doesn't mean I know anything about this group, nor does it mean I give a shit what their mission statement is.

So again, I'll say... I don't see your point.

If you don't know anything about this group then I understand your confusion. But if what someone posts on a forum bothers you then you might want to check into this group. They call themselves Atheists as well.

 

[doombug]

My faith of non-belief??? What the fuck is that?
I have all kinds of beliefs, hell, I have MORE beliefs than most theists since their one belief in god precludes them from believing in MANY things science has shown us.

So you believe in science? How much do you really know about science anyway?

 

[Panacea]

How does this make me prejudiced?

I have already provided my perspective for that here. I can't answer the question on behalf anyone else, so if you're still sore there's nothing more I can do, yanno?

You are only antagonistic towards those who don't claim to know if a god exists, or claim to assume a god doesn't exist. I don't see you being antagonistic towards those who claim a god(s) exist(s). No ideologies get that sort of treatment in your posts. That is my take on your prejudice. I can only base my opinion of you on your posts. If you're not, in fact, prejudiced, be warned you come across as such.

Surely there are a majority of agnostics and atheists participating in these threads, but there are at least two theists here who have commented in these threads several times and I did not see you antagonize them. If I were to see you antagonize the claims of a theist, I would adjust my answer immediately. It would fit your claims that you antagonize everyone.

 

[doombug]

I have already provided my perspective for that here. I can't answer the question on behalf anyone else, so if you're still sore there's nothing more I can do, yanno?



Surely there are a majority of agnostics and atheists participating in these threads, but there are at least two theists here who have commented in these threads several times and I did not see you antagonize them. If I were to see you antagonize the claims of a theist, I would adjust my answer immediately. It would fit your claims that you antagonize everyone.

Nah, you see it as "antagonizing" because I challenge your worldview. I haven't really seen anything to post against from any Theists. I imagine many don't post here because of the bigotry shown by non-believers.

 

[Panacea]

Nah, you see it as "antagonizing" because I challenge your worldview.

How do you feel you've challenged my worldview? (For clarity, that's a question you should answer. It's not rhetorical)
That's an incredibly arrogant claim you haven't bothered to back up with proof.
You've been nothing but an illogical pest. You're one of millions of them. Nothing new or valuable ever comes from the bug.