for all you atheists out there...

[Magic P]

lol.


Ok, yeah I am biased. You can't help but be biased when one theory has more evidence than the other. I have research creationism, and it provides no real evidence what so ever.

I challenge you to show me some evidence of the genesis account to be true.

If it's creationism, there will not be evidence unless you can prove God's existence cuz everything is created just like that. And to prove God's existence, I think we have gone through that. You can't deny experiences, God has changed thousand's of people's lives and what had Darwin done: make people live each day like there is no tomorrow. I blame him for taking responsibilities for all the destructive things people do nowadays such as one-night-stands, drugs, alcoholism, murder etc. Well it can't be all his fault but he did make a huge impact on changing people's perceptions and attitudes.

 

[All Else Failed]

If it's creationism, there will not be evidence unless you can prove God's existence cuz everything is created just like that. And to prove God's existence, I think we have gone through that. You can't deny experiences, God has changed thousand's of people's lives and what had Darwin done: make people live each day like there is no tomorrow. I blame him for taking responsibilities for all the destructive things people do nowadays such as one-night-stands, drugs, alcoholism, murder etc. Well it can't be all his fault but he did make a huge impact on changing people's perceptions and attitudes.

Funny how most creationists say that they can prove that its true by looking at the natural world, but you say its not....hmmm. Where is the evidence of the great flood?

You can deny experiences. personal experiences are not proof. If someone says "Hey I just saw a unicorn!" You wont just accept it as truth just because they say it is, you will demand evidence of their claim.

You have a very poor grasp of Darwinism if you think it turns people into savages. You do know that the world was 100 X's worse before Darwin was even born, right? Actually, some of the worst moments in human history were carried out in the name of religion.

If anything, Darwinism makes us closer to each other, seeing as how we are all one species, and not divided over "who's holy man is the right holy man?" It also made questioning where we come from and what we believe more viable, which is always good.

 

[Magic P]

Funny how most creationists say that they can prove that its true by looking at the natural world, but you say its not....hmmm. Where is the evidence of the great flood?

You can deny experiences. personal experiences are not proof. If someone says "Hey I just saw a unicorn!" You wont just accept it as truth just because they say it is, you will demand evidence of their claim.

You have a very poor grasp of Darwinism if you think it turns people into savages. You do know that the world was 100 X's worse before Darwin was even born, right? Actually, some of the worst moments in human history was carried out in the name of religion.

If anything, Darwinism makes us closer to each other, seeing as how we are all one species, and not divided over "who's holy man is the right holy man?"

I am not saying experiences are the truth I am just saying if I insist the experience Jesus gave me does good to me, then most people would just leave it like that.
I am taking a paper in evolutionary psychology next term so then I will know more. If you read Luke seven (Jesus anointed by a sinful woman), you will know that Jesus welcome everybody. He doesn't show favorism, he let a sinful woman get close to wash his feet and forgave her sins even though the Pharisee were like "if this man is a prophet , he should know this woman is a sinful woman'. Jesus said"her sins are forgiven cuz she loves much". Maybe you should have a better grasp of christianity as well sweetie.

 

[All Else Failed]

I am not saying experiences are the truth I am just saying if I insist the experience Jesus gave me does good to me, then most people would just leave it like that.
I am taking a paper in evolutionary psychology next term so then I will know more. If you read Luke seven (Jesus anointed by a sinful woman), you will know that Jesus welcome everybody. He doesn't show favorism, he let a sinful woman get close to wash his feet and forgave her sins even though the Pharisee were like "if this man is a prophet , he should know this woman is a sinful woman'. Jesus said"her sins are forgiven cuz she loves much". Maybe you should have a better grasp of christianity as well sweetie.

Hey if it makes you happy, then go for it.

When did I say that Jesus practiced favoritism? :confused

I do have a grasp of Christianity, thats what makes me not want to be a Christian in the first place.

 

[Peter Parka]

Funny how most creationists say that they can prove that its true by looking at the natural world, but you say its not....hmmm. Where is the evidence of the great flood?

Actually there is plenty of evidence for the flood. Scientist think a great catastrophy happened 5 - 6000 years ago because of the amount of dead animals that the remains of have been found around the same time who died suddenly. Also the amount of smooth stones, which got that way by the oceans waves, which are found hundreds of miles inland. I'm not saying there aren't good reasons to disprove the flood but please don't say there is no evidence when there is.

 

[Magic P]

Actually there is plenty of evidence for the flood. Scientist think a great catastrophy happened 5 - 6000 years ago because of the amount of dead animals that the remains of have been found around the same time who died suddenly. Also the amount of smooth stones, which got that way by the oceans waves, which are found hundreds of miles inland. I'm not saying there aren't good reasons to disprove the flood but please don't say there is no evidence when there is.

Exactly!

 

[All Else Failed]

Actually there is plenty of evidence for the flood. Scientist think a great catastrophy happened 5 - 6000 years ago because of the amount of dead animals that the remains of have been found around the same time who died suddenly. Also the amount of smooth stones, which got that way by the oceans waves, which are found hundreds of miles inland. I'm not saying there aren't good reasons to disprove the flood but please don't say there is no evidence when there is.

Are these remains global? Just because there's a lot of dead animlas does not equal a great flood. There are plenty of other natural disasters that can do this, like disease, famine and the like. Stones don't need ocean waves to become smooth either, regular environmental phenomena like wind and rain will do the same thing. Plus, are those stones found in now ancient river beds?


But, thats not to say that a very small, local flood happened. If you think about it, people of the middle east hardly ventured far from their homes and regions. Their homeland, tribe and home WAS there world know to them at the time. Now, lets say a large flood, not a global one, that flooded their entire region. Due to the very limited understanding of the world around them, it is not hard to venture a guess that they would have thought that the entire world was flooded, given that they didn't really venture far from their homes and only saw water as far as the eye could see. This probably sparked the great flood myth. In fact, a lot for people theorize that Judaism and Christianity take their great flood myth from the epic of Gilgamesh, which came from Babylonia (Modern day Iraq) a very culturally influential region on all of their neighbors at the time. It isn't very hard to see that various tribes took this mythical creation story and modified it for their own culture due to cultural diffusion in their region.

Also, archaeological evidence of ancient Chinese civilization doesn't match up with the flood time line. The earliest Chinese artifacts and structures have been traced back to 8000 years ago, and even some estimate it could be 10,000 years ago with new archaeological discoveries. The Chinese people are some of the oldest people's and civilizations ever, and yet they didn't die in a global flood that the bible said killed everyone save the ones on the boat. Hmmmmmmmm....


Here's a nice resources: flood_predictions


It will answer most of your questions about the flood myth.

 

[Magic P]

Are these remains global? Just because there's a lot of dead animlas does not equal a great flood. There are plenty of other natural disasters that can do this, like disease, famine and the like. Stones don't need ocean waves to become smooth either, regular environmental phenomena like wind and rain will do the same thing. Plus, are those stones found in now ancient river beds?


But, thats not to say that a very small, local flood happened. If you think about it, people of the middle east hardly ventured far from their homes and regions. Their homeland, tribe and home WAS there world know to them at the time. Now, lets say a large flood, not a global one, that flooded their entire region. Due to the very limited understanding of the world around them, it is not hard to venture a guess that they would have thought that the entire world was flooded, given that they didn't really venture far from their homes and only saw water as far as the eye could see. This probably sparked the great flood myth. In fact, a lot for people theorize that Judaism and Christianity take their great flood myth from the epic of Gilgamesh, which came from Babylonia (Modern day Iraq) a very culturally influential region on all of their neighbors at the time. It isn't very hard to see that various tribes took this mythical creation story and modified it for their own culture due to cultural diffusion in their region.

Also, archaeological evidence of ancient Chinese civilization doesn't match up with the flood time line. The earliest Chinese artifacts and structures have been traced back to 8000 years ago, and even some estimate it could be 10,000 years ago with new archaeological discoveries. The Chinese people are some of the oldest people's and civilizations ever, and yet they didn't die in a global flood that the bible said killed everyone save the ones on the boat. Hmmmmmmmm....


Here's a nice resources: flood_predictions


It will answer most of your questions about the flood myth.

Baby, I talked to my classmate today and she told me that my faith is weaken and if I don't give all to God, I am pushing God out of my life. Thanks for your contribution. (this is sarcasm btw).

 

[Magic P]

All Else Failed baby, why don't you find the book I told you and read some of it and then debate over it plz? If you can do that, I might make a life changing decision.

 

[Peter Parka]

I've given up with this guy. Some of the things he argues about I do actually agree with him on, just not his reasoning. He makes too many sweeping statements which are completely inacurate without even giving us a source for them, its like banging your head against a brick wall and frankly I really can't be arsed, no offense!

 

[All Else Failed]

All Else Failed baby, why don't you find the book I told you and read some of it and then debate over it plz? If you can do that, I might make a life changing decision.

If reading the bible cover to cover when I was a believing Christian didn't change my life I doubt a books full of pseudoscience will.

 

[All Else Failed]

I've given up with this guy. Some of the things he argues about I do actually agree with him on, just not his reasoning. He makes too many sweeping statements which are completely inacurate without even giving us a source for them, its like banging your head against a brick wall and frankly I really can't be arsed, no offense!

Are you talking about me of Magic P?


Because I link to various proofs and evidence that back up my claims.

 

[All Else Failed]

Baby, I talked to my classmate today and she told me that my faith is weaken and if I don't give all to God, I am pushing God out of my life. Thanks for your contribution. (this is sarcasm btw).

So you have nothing to say about the evidence I posted?


I can't even tell if you're serious or not. :tongue:

 

[Magic P]

Magic P is not a he. Peter knows that. So it's gotta be All Else Failed. The bible is not a evidence book. If you can't even bother reading the book, how can you say you've sought and been convinced, All Else Failed?

 

[All Else Failed]

Magic P is not a he. Peter knows that. So it's gotta be All Else Failed. The bible is not a evidence book. If you can't even bother reading the book, how can you say you've sought and been convinced, All Else Failed?

I'm pretty sure Ive read the bible cover to cover at least twice. 7 years of catholic school and being raised in a roman catholic family does that to you.

 

[Magic P]

I'm pretty sure Ive read the bible cover to cover at least twice. 7 years of catholic school and being raised in a roman catholic family does that to you.

If Catholism doesn't work for you, maybe try Christianity. I don't know, be whatever you wanna be. It's your life. I guess now we can close the debate.

 

[Magic P]

So you have nothing to say about the evidence I posted?


I can't even tell if you're serious or not. :tongue:

I was serious but now I can't be bothered.

 

[Magic P]

Oh baby All Else Failed now that I don't get new threads from this debate and I miss it. I am so attached to it. *cry it makes me feel emotional.

 

[Magic P]

I am in love with IntruderLS1 cuz he thinks im cool in this debate. kiss kiss hugs

 

[memento_mori]

Oh baby All Else Failed now that I don't get new threads from this debate and I miss it. I am so attached to it. *cry it makes me feel emotional.

don't worry, sweetcheeks. you've still got me