Did You Serve ?

Did You Serve?


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Alien Allen

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For the record I did not serve

My draft number I do not recall but they stopped the draft right afterward

I will state straight up I would have done everything legal to get out of serving and having to go to Nam

If I had been drafted I don't know if they would have even accepted me but I sure as hell would have done my best to convince them I was not going to be an asset in the field. Not at my size.
 

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and the fact I stated the above I don't think should label me a chickenhawk for wanting to crush AQ and the Taliban

I would have done it covertly though. I would have waterboarded if the situation called for it. And I would say that was still legal because it was determined legal at the time. Lots of things are done that are accepted as legal and then the courts or legislature determine later otherwise.
 

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Knowing TM and Stone I would highly advise unsubscribing.

Neither of these guys is gonna back down

And you will just get a migraine :D
 

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and the fact I stated the above I don't think should label me a chickenhawk for wanting to crush AQ and the Taliban

I would have done it covertly though. I would have waterboarded if the situation called for it. And I would say that was still legal because it was determined legal at the time. Lots of things are done that are accepted as legal and then the courts or legislature determine later otherwise.

I know you from another debate forum and I think you're being upfront and honest.
I had strong issues with the Iraq invasion and the torture at Abu Ghraib.
Still do, but my comments are at that other forum.


When someone I know that I debated up to the point of being banned .....does a flip flop for convenience in debating.....it pisses me off. It's not honest to the forum and if I'm going to call hypocrite on others....this needs to be brought out, too.


I got my draft notice in 1970 and failed my induction physical because of bad eyesight.
I'd be a liar if I said I wasn't afraid of going into the Vietnam war at it's height.
 

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Knowing TM and Stone I would highly advise unsubscribing.

Neither of these guys is gonna back down

And you will just get a migraine :D


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That debate is over.
I expect TM to try to change and twist the words he posted.....but he inadvertently ended his argument with me suddenly by expressing himself with little forethought.

If he were smart, imo.....he'd request the thread be closed and eventually beg the administration to delete the thread.
 

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I got my draft notice in 1970 and failed my induction physical because of bad eyesight.
I'd be a liar if I said I wasn't afraid of going into the Vietnam war at it's height.

Thought you were more than 2 years older than me:eek:D

I would have thought eyesight was not a dis qualifier. Unless you were near legally blind. Seems like I have seen pics of the war with guys wearing glasses.

On a side note I knew a guy who was all set to go into the CIA. He was accepted and as he was leaving was asked to come back that they forgot to check something. They tested him for being color blind and he failed. No CIA
 

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Thought you were more than 2 years older than me:eek:D

I would have thought eyesight was not a dis qualifier. Unless you were near legally blind. Seems like I have seen pics of the war with guys wearing glasses.

On a side note I knew a guy who was all set to go into the CIA. He was accepted and as he was leaving was asked to come back that they forgot to check something. They tested him for being color blind and he failed. No CIA


I am older.....went to college and drafted after I graduated.

I would have thought eyesight was not a dis qualifier
Yep. They tested my glasses for index of refraction and I didn't meet the standards.

Unless you were near legally blind.
No....but I've always been extremely near sighted.

Buddy of mine was too tall at 6'7" and 4F. I was 1Y
 

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That debate is over.
I expect TM to try to change and twist the words he posted.....but he inadvertently ended his argument with me suddenly by expressing himself with little forethought.

If he were smart, imo.....he'd request the thread be closed and eventually beg the administration to delete the thread.
I actually went to go eat....come back and see you have offered yet more ammo in prior posts to torture you with..Do not confuse kindness with weakness ole friend.

You lied to the forum...outright lied.
You attempted to paint a bad image of me while doing such done nothing but painted yourself in a corner.
You made the claims you cant back them.
Your outright dishonesty is appalling ....I pasted my post which had my official position/ you responded showing you read it.
Your only defense now is to claim Alzheimer's and hope for the best......I may or may not accept the defense and ask you to provide documentation to excuse your dishonesty and attempted malicious attack on my character.
 

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I actually went to go eat....come back and see you have offered yet more ammo in prior posts to torture you with..Do not confuse kindness with weakness ole friend.

You lied to the forum...outright lied.
You attempted to paint a bad image of me while doing such done nothing but painted yourself in a corner.
You made the claims you cant back them.
Your outright dishonesty is appalling ....I pasted my post which had my official position/ you responded showing you read it.
Your only defense now is to claim Alzheimer's and hope for the best......I may or may not accept the defense and ask you to provide documentation to excuse your dishonesty and attempted malicious attack on my character.


It's over, slick.....you lost the argument with your own words.
There's nothing I need to rebut.......don't like it? tough shit.....complain to someone that cares.
 

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You may want to perhaps seek council for the path of self destruction you are on.
Whatever the reason for your behavior professional help is available.

Point made below

BTW......I'm printing these web pages to my hard drive so that any editing you do isn't lost like it was at that other forum......;)

Get help stone please...I do not hold this incident against your personally...Its more rather you wanted to see if the stove will still burn you when you touch it.....A relearning experience if you will ;)
 

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It's over, slick.....you lost the argument with your own words.
There's nothing I need to rebut.......don't like it? tough shit.....complain to someone that cares.

Back it stone you made the claim...this isnt going away
 

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Stone said:
I am older.....went to college and drafted after I graduated.

so you did dodge the draft by going to college :D :p

Smart move even if unintended ;)

My best friends brother who was 2-3 years older than us went to college and was able to defer. But had to serve after college but by then the war was winding down and he was able to stay in the states
 

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what you advocate as a legal act......you do and have advocated legalized torture, in this thread.

This....back it
Why is this so difficult stone,,,the thread is not that large.
 
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