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Peter Parka

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The problem is with all these conspiracy theories about the twin towers is that you can speculate all you want but before it happened, no one knew how the building would react if you flew a fuck off huge aeroplane into it because no one had tested that before.
I believe in a conspiracy theory about it. I believe a bunch of pissed off Muslims did it. Feel like I'm in the minority who believe this sometimes!
 
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The biggest conspiracy is that there are no conspiracies.

I wonder what those that steadfastly believe there are no conspiracies would do if they found out there were indeed conspiracies? Still deny them? After all, it's easier that way.
 

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lol at there being NO conspiracies, people are utterly delusional if they truly believe their government isn't hiding things from them.
 

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lol at there being NO conspiracies, people are utterly delusional if they truly believe their government isn't hiding things from them.

Indeed.


Heck, we now know they knew what was coming w/Pearl Harbor. But it did advance the war.
 

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The problem is with all these conspiracy theories about the twin towers is that you can speculate all you want but before it happened, no one knew how the building would react if you flew a fuck off huge aeroplane into it because no one had tested that before.
I believe in a conspiracy theory about it. I believe a bunch of pissed off Muslims did it. Feel like I'm in the minority who believe this sometimes!


You sure ?

The structural engineers working on the World Trade Center considered the possibility that an aircraft could crash into the building. In July 1945, a B-25 bomber that was lost in the fog had crashed into the 79th floor of the Empire State Building. A year later, another airplane nearly crashed into the 40 Wall Street building, and there was another near-miss at the Empire State Building.[8] Leslie Robertson, one of the chief engineers working on the design of the World Trade Center, has since claimed to have personally considered the scenario of the impact of a jet airliner—a Boeing 707—which might be lost in the fog and flying at relatively low speeds, seeking to land at JFK Airport or Newark Airport. However, Robertson has provided no documentation for this assertion.[8][9]

NIST found a three-page white paper that mentioned another aircraft-impact analysis, involving impact of a Boeing 707 at 600 miles per hour (970 km/h), but the original documentation of the study, which was part of the building's 1,200 page structural analysis, was lost when the Port Authority offices were destroyed in the collapse of the WTC 1; the copy was lost in WTC 7.[10] In 1993, John Skilling, lead structural engineer for the WTC, recalled doing the analysis, and remarked, "Our analysis indicated the biggest problem would be the fact that all the fuel (from the airplane) would dump into the building. There would be a horrendous fire. A lot of people would be killed," he said. "The building structure would still be there."[11] In its report, NIST stated that the technical ability to perform a rigorous simulation of aircraft impact and ensuing fires is a recent development, and that the technical capability for such analysis would have been quite limited in the 1960s.[12][note 1]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collapse_of_the_World_Trade_Center
 

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Everyone that believes in a 9/11 conspiracy, go read every single part of this site, and consider yourself to be enlightened.

http://www.debunking911.com

does that site have definitive proof that the event was not financed by people with an interest in american military funding? i doubt it. the planning of a cover story for the financiers of an operation such as this is one of the most important aspects of planning something like this. see mark lane: "plausible deniability"

what i've seen makes a very convincing story that indeed planes were flown into buildings by arab terrorists, but that's it.

i have seen absolutely no incontrovertible evidence that effectively explains how the buildings came down without an internal explosive assist and nobody will touch the money aspect of it at all, as if we're supposed to believe that al qaeda got it's money from khaddafi, the iranians or the tooth fairy.

it's not even clear that al qaeda or bin laden had anything to do with it, as the bin laden confession has been marked a fraud.
 

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And i have seen zero reputable evidence to anything you are talking about. At all. Ever.


The buildings collapsed because their structure was compromised in areas that had massive load bearing. Damaging that and weakening the steel in those areas, specially if it is located further up the tower, is like kicking the legs out form a kitchen table. It takes time, it it will fall.


Also, if you look at the footage of the towers collapsing, you see no sign of detonations going off that would be necessary to make the building fall through a controlled collapse. Due to the unique construction of the WTC towers, the charges would have to be installed either on the outside or the inside close to the walls since the support structure of the building was in the "walls" of the towers. It would be INCREDIBLY visible and obvious to see those charges go off from the outside due to this. None can be seen from any angle. Never mind the MONTHS of preparation that it would take to install all of the charges, plan the demolition and sync up all resources from what would take dozens of contractors to set the building up.





Look at this vid:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qk06ax1SRIM&feature=related


It is significantly smaller tower than that WTCs, yet look at all of the loud pre-collapse flashed and bangs. None of that was seen in any footage on 9/11. Also, imagine how much more explosive would need to be used to down the WTCs. The pre-collapse bangs and flashes would be INCREDIBLY obvious if it were a controlled collapse.




Another good vid:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tacYjsS-g6k&feature=related
 
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Are you sure there were no bomb reports.. That doesn't seem to match that days TV reports..

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Are you sure there were no bomb reports..


There are plenty of reports, if one chooses to actually look, of people hearing explosions going off in all three buildings. In the towers, down at the bottom of the buildings.

There are videos out there where you can see the tufts coming out several stories below the fires right before the first tower fell. Or perhaps it's the second one?

There are many accounts. You just have to look for them.

I guess every single one of those accounts must have been confused? Or just UnPatriotic Americans. ;)
 

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There are plenty of reports, if one chooses to actually look, of people hearing explosions going off in all three buildings. In the towers, down at the bottom of the buildings.

There are videos out there where you can see the tufts coming out several stories below the fires right before the first tower fell. Or perhaps it's the second one?

There are many accounts. You just have to look for them.

I guess every single one of those accounts must have been confused? Or just UnPatriotic Americans. ;)

orrrrrrrrr

http://www.debunking911.com/explosions.htm
 

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lol at there being NO conspiracies, people are utterly delusional if they truly believe their government isn't hiding things from them.

I missed this....and of course a government who has perpetrated some of these conspiracies isnt going to leave any evidence....unless its to point the finger specifically AWAY from them and at someone else.

I mean, they've done it before.

I laugh at the "no evidence" argument....its buried to deep, too well hidden and too covered up.
 

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that site goes completely in-depth to debunk basically all of the conspiracies surrounding the event. It is incredibly detailed, and pretty much all of the engineers I know completely agree with the conclusions that are there.
 

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How just a little basic common sense and logic?

Even IF there were some evil plan to draw the US into war, why go to the trouble of wiring those two buildings to collapse? Just flying the planes into them and killing all of those innocent civilians would have been enough?

No one in their right mind would have gone to the extra trouble, expense and risk when it served no purpose.
 
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