Bill Gates Says He Doesn't Pay Enough Tax

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So prioritize & narrow. What corruption should be cleaned up first, and how?

Start with the people responsible...then change policy,...only way it will work ,..otherwise those responsible will just find or create loop holes and continue
 
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1) provide a system were woman are protected and have babies born healthy,safe and in a equal environment with the same chances.
(its the least we could do to give that baby a fair chance and you know every baby is the same ...still innocent)
 

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Start with the people responsible...then change policy,...only way it will work ,..otherwise those responsible will just find or create loop holes and continue
We know who's responsible. It's the people that make policy and create loopholes, and the corporate execs that pay them ... legally.
 

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So prioritize & narrow. What corruption should be cleaned up first, and how?


You are looking for a quick fix.
I know of none.

I admit.....a response is not only tough and complex, it might not even be accomplishable.
Correction only lies within ourselves as a society, to want to make the needed adjustments.
That's an issue of consensus.......and we live in polarized times that aren't conducive to a strong and lasting consensus of political opinion.

Look at this forum, really most debate forums. There are no equitable consensus of opinions from religion to science, concerning moral behavior, concerning business ethics let alone a consensus of political opinion.
Pretty much a reflection of the general public.

As corruption starts with the individual, it's logical that correction starts within us, first.
And honestly, I don't see that happening on any large scale in the near future.

[FONT=&amp]As a vector.......improve basic education......but that's a lengthy process and most people seem to be looking for quick fixes.[/FONT]


Not what most want to hear....but that's my opinion.
 

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1) provide a system were woman are protected and have babies born healthy,safe and in a equal environment with the same chances.
(its the least we could do to give that baby a fair chance and you know every baby is the same ...still innocent)



how about something that is realistic and not utopian

for example how do you give all kids the same start when so many are born out of wedlock with no true family. That happens not by accident but by choice by the woman and who impregnates her. There is no way to put these kids on equal standing.

Giving all kids the same education would help to give them equal chance but that takes at least one parent to follow thru. Also it would require the absence of peer pressure in some neighborhoods where currently an education is more an inconvenience and not a standard.
 

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banned?

You want another chance to address my question I asked you long ago?

Now it's my turn.A simple question banned seems to refuse to address.What logic is there to changing an economic model if corruption in a society is not going to be addressed?
Well?
 

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Stone is right about the quick fix being unrealistic. In Detroit I have always felt the only way it will truly recover is for the kids to get educated. The funding is there but the will to be educated is not. Even if you could suddenly change that it would take a generation for the results to kick in. To the down trodden I suspect there is no belief that an education will matter. And as a result other quick fixes so to speak such as stealing and drug dealing are chosen.
 

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how about something that is realistic and not utopian

for example how do you give all kids the same start when so many are born out of wedlock with no true family. That happens not by accident but by choice by the woman and who impregnates her. There is no way to put these kids on equal standing.

Giving all kids the same education would help to give them equal chance but that takes at least one parent to follow thru. Also it would require the absence of peer pressure in some neighborhoods where currently an education is more an inconvenience and not a standard.

how about something that is realistic and not utopian

Neuter all aliens?:p


Hi Bill :D
 

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how about something that is realistic and not utopian

for example how do you give all kids the same start when so many are born out of wedlock with no true family. That happens not by accident but by choice by the woman and who impregnates her. There is no way to put these kids on equal standing.

Giving all kids the same education would help to give them equal chance but that takes at least one parent to follow thru. Also it would require the absence of peer pressure in some neighborhoods where currently an education is more an inconvenience and not a standard.
Allen...I don't think all is a dream but if we stop trying and worse think there is no hope and a lets forget it all mentality than wtf ?
We have one out of 10 still born babies here in USA and you can dubble that figure for African Americans.
Is that fixable? I think so.
Birth regulations fixable ? I think so
Providing free exams to woman fixable? I think so
providing better food at schools fixable? I think so
better public school education fixable? I think so
and so on...
 

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Allen...I don't think all is a dream but if we stop trying and worse think there is no hope and a lets forget it all mentality than wtf ?
We have one out of 10 still born babies here in USA and you can dubble that figure for African Americans.
Is that fixable? I think so.
Birth regulations fixable ? I think so
Providing free exams to woman fixable? I think so
providing better food at schools fixable? I think so
better public school education fixable? I think so
and so on...

We have one out of 10 still born babies here in USA
Where are your getting this statistic from?
This Wiki link puts it at 1 in 115 for the US
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stillbirth
 

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Allen...I don't think all is a dream but if we stop trying and worse think there is no hope and a lets forget it all mentality than wtf ?
We have one out of 10 still born babies here in USA and you can dubble that figure for African Americans.
Is that fixable? I think so.
Birth regulations fixable ? I think so
Providing free exams to woman fixable? I think so
providing better food at schools fixable? I think so
better public school education fixable? I think so
and so on...
correction...1 in 10 should be read as 1 in 100
 

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correction...1 in 10 should be read as 1 in 100


I don't doubt that those living in poverty have a higher rate, but do you have a link to any stats that reflect ethnicity and/or poverty?
This isn't a challenge....
 

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You are looking for a quick fix.
I know of none.
I'm not look for quick. I'm looking for start.
You're awful keen on taking apart any & all suggestions but don't seem to want to discuss your own.

[FONT=&amp]As a vector.......improve basic education......but that's a lengthy process and most people seem to be looking for quick fixes.[/FONT]


Not what most want to hear....but that's my opinion.
Well, there ya go. All done. The novocaine should be wearing off shortly. ;)

Education is a sore spot with many. I believe that Washington doesn't hold all answers, much to the chagrin of the pro-centralization crowd. I believe we can improve education if we rid it of the Dept of Ed and "no child left behind" and allowed the states to address their issues, benchmarking off whomever they thought worthy. Finland is number one in the world but would be very difficult to copy nationwide, but a state might be able to duplicate its success. Another state might find a completely new scheme, while another can take bits from both to fashion one that fits them.

Do you agree, or do you think that Washington should establish "guidelines" and "assist" states in doing it the "right" way?
 

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I'm not look for quick. I'm looking for start.
You're awful keen on taking apart any & all suggestions but don't seem to want to discuss your own.


Well, there ya go. All done. The novocaine should be wearing off shortly. ;)

Education is a sore spot with many. I believe that Washington doesn't hold all answers, much to the chagrin of the pro-centralization crowd. I believe we can improve education if we rid it of the Dept of Ed and "no child left behind" and allowed the states to address their issues, benchmarking off whomever they thought worthy. Finland is number one in the world but would be very difficult to copy nationwide, but a state might be able to duplicate its success. Another state might find a completely new scheme, while another can take bits from both to fashion one that fits them.

Do you agree, or do you think that Washington should establish "guidelines" and "assist" states in doing it the "right" way?

You're awful keen on taking apart any & all suggestions but don't seem to want to discuss your own.
I'm not the member that's refusing comment, Accountable.....and I'm absolutely not timid about tearing apart bullshit :D

The novocaine should be wearing off shortly.
Hope you survive and the pain is of a short duration.

I believe that Washington doesn't hold all answers
I can agree with that.
The Feds seem to have entered education in a big way at least back in the 60's to help bring many states up to reasonable standards, where state and local funding were issues because of poor local economies.
But like the bureaucrats they are, have taken control to the point that locals often seem to know their own needs better.

I believe we can improve education if we rid it of the Dept of Ed and "no child left behind" and allowed the states to address their issues, benchmarking off whomever they thought worthy
'No child left behind' was obviously a bureaucratic mess that artificially judged on raw test scores rather than testing for general knowledge. The testing scores were skewed to show improvement where, too often, none existed.
Wasteful programs can always be cut from government programs, but to end the Department of Education when there is obvious need is illogical.
One of the great sacrifices without oversight would likely be even worsening educational environments for ethnic/ poverty stricken portions of our nation.


Finland is number one in the world but would be very difficult to copy nationwide, but a state might be able to duplicate its success.
Finland has a great deal of success from it's quality of teachers.
This is something the US needs a lot of improvement with.
Can of worms there with the power of the NEA and it's position on tenure and performance relating to job security.


Do you agree, or do you think that Washington should establish "guidelines" and "assist" states in doing it the "right" way?
What do you mean, 'right way'?
I think there should be standards that the States should address, but achieving them is going to vary from locale to locale. For instance and contrast.......the educational needs of rural poverty will not be the same as well to do suburbanites, nor the needs of poverty stricken in ghettos similar to either rural needs or suburbanites. Consider cultural differences and I don't see how blind regulated control from a Federal bureau will be effective.
You want an absolute, but there isn't a logical one. Common sense can cover a lot of ground efficiently, but that does require the Feds giving up some control where locals work closer to the problems. At the same time, standards do need to be set and uniform.
Much of the angst in the midwest over the ED seems to come mostly from the fundamentalist segment that's being restricted from forcing their religion into public school curriculums.
I think allowing this would be incredibly destructive to the educational process, especially science.
I certainly wouldn't want Ohio to look like the mess Kansas got itself into in the recent past.
 

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Consider cultural differences and I don't see how blind regulated control from a Federal bureau will be effective.

All the more reason to get rid of it as a department

It is a bloated mess that just wastes money

IMO
 
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