Are Western Churches and Governments promoting hate?

[Greatest I am]

All humans are born Equal, but they grow up unequally depending on their learning and God-fearing.

Since gays are said not to believe in God but rather shun His grace, it connotes as if they are not sinners at all.....and since they don't sin or don't believe in the concept of sin, they lack 'morals' by the standards laid down by religions. It really makes it difficult to put them in place with the Believers unless Believers too
have to commit sin on their behalf..

God doesn't hate, it loves everyone.....loves you too and therefore asks to be good.
The Ten Commandants are NOT Tribal....though they are a part of scriptures yet as a Muslim I believe in them and hurt to note when a Christian calls them 'tribal' or bane etc

You may do whatever you like I don't care a hoot but stop talking ill of God or the holy Scriptures because I believe in Him and all divine scriptures and love them, 'k?

Strange that all these non believin Gays want to be part of a church.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHqwBDVeVTM

Strange as well that God says he does hate some in scripture yet you say he loves all.
I guess you are right and the Bible is wrong.

Regards
DL

 

[Greatest I am]

Creates souls that are unequal? So you are saying that he created the human race with no equality in mind? What a laugh you are, I am having thoughts about being an agent for you to stand on the comedy circus, you will be good at one thing, and that is being hilariously funny, wanna try it out? You might make big bucks out of misconstruing the thoughts of God

Roman 9


11(For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth
12It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger.
13As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.
14What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid. 15For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.

Regards
DL

 

[Tuffdisc]

Roman 9


11(For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth
12It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger.
13As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.
14What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid. 15For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.

Regards
DL

Where did it say that God created souls unequally? You keep quoting from the Bible, yet it makes no sense in your arguments when you lambast religion as a religion of hatred. You know what I don't even know you know what planet you are on, as far as I am concerned you have quoted nothing that has made sense to why you said that God created everyone unequally, you why? Because you can't prove a thing. All you ever do is come up with drivel, when people answer you back, you tend to insult people which is a form of cowardice :thumbup

And please do not say that I have insulted you, because I don't remember insulting you, let alone no one else has insulted you, yet you tend to demean them by calling everyone who disagrees with you 'a child' and telling them to 'go away', simply because you don't want to hear the truth about yourself :thumbup

 

[Tuffdisc]

Strange that all these non believin Gays want to be part of a church.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHqwBDVeVTM

Strange as well that God says he does hate some in scripture yet you say he loves all.
I guess you are right and the Bible is wrong.

Regards
DL

Where has God said that he hated people? That would be strange thing to say to a saint and martyrs after all, because they have devoted their life to God, you really don't make sense at all, coming from a 60 year old, I thought you would know about that? It is clear you don't know anything. Personally I think you are something I can't mention, as it breaches rules on name calling

 

[Greatest I am]

Where did it say that God created souls unequally? You keep quoting from the Bible, yet it makes no sense in your arguments when you lambast religion as a religion of hatred. You know what I don't even know you know what planet you are on, as far as I am concerned you have quoted nothing that has made sense to why you said that God created everyone unequally, you why? Because you can't prove a thing. All you ever do is come up with drivel, when people answer you back, you tend to insult people which is a form of cowardice :thumbup

And please do not say that I have insulted you, because I don't remember insulting you, let alone no one else has insulted you, yet you tend to demean them by calling everyone who disagrees with you 'a child' and telling them to 'go away', simply because you don't want to hear the truth about yourself :thumbup

I see that you cannot even read your own Bible.
It made you angry and you decided to rant instead of trying to learn.

Regards
DL

 

[Greatest I am]

Where has God said that he hated people?

See post 163.

Regards
DL

 

[mazHur]

Can you not be gay and believe in God? I'm fairly sure a number do, from every religion.

yes, why can't they unless they invite God's wrath because God forbids homosexuality and they blatantly want
to adopt it.

 

[Tuffdisc]

See post 163.

Regards
DL

Oh please, he has never hated his creation, that is just silly, grow up will ya, talk sense will you for once

 

[Accountable]

Oh please, he has never hated his creation, that is just silly, grow up will ya, talk sense will you for once

Not for nuthin ( because I'm not particularly interested in this subject, I just like a good intellectual discussion) but calling something silly isn't an overwhelmingly convincing argument.

http://www.google.com/search?q=anal...s=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a

 

[Tuffdisc]

Not for nuthin ( because I'm not particularly interested in this subject, I just like a good intellectual discussion) but calling something silly isn't an overwhelmingly convincing argument.

http://www.google.com/search?q=anal...s=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a

It is silly, he is saying that God created us, only to hate us, if that isn't silly, what is?

 

[Accountable]

It is silly, he is saying that God created us, only to hate us, if that isn't silly, what is?

The point is that it was written. It appears originally in Malachi 1:3. All the versions except one have used the word "hated", one used the word "rejected". Many of the scholars I looked up in these last few minutes online say that the word means hated in comparison to the love poured on Jacob, so that it might not have been actual Hate - because God gave the guy a lot of land, I mean he could have killed him, right? - but only that God favored Jacob over Esau.

My point is that it's not silly to read in the Bible that God says he hated somebody & conclude that God hated somebody. It's kinda silly to call it silly.

 

[Tuffdisc]

The point is that it was written. It appears originally in Malachi 1:3. All the versions except one have used the word "hated", one used the word "rejected". Many of the scholars I looked up in these last few minutes online say that the word means hated in comparison to the love poured on Jacob, so that it might not have been actual Hate - because God gave the guy a lot of land, I mean he could have killed him, right? - but only that God favored Jacob over Esau.

My point is that it's not silly to read in the Bible that God says he hated somebody & conclude that God hated somebody. It's kinda silly to call it silly.

God only hates sin, and wrongdoers (because they have committed a sin), would you hate someone who has done wrong against you?

 

[Accountable]

God only hates sin, and wrongdoers (because they have committed a sin), would you hate someone who has done wrong against you?

Oh please, he has never hated his creation, that is just silly, grow up will ya, talk sense will you for once

Didn't God create the wrongdoer? ijs

 

[mazHur]

Didn't God create the wrongdoer? ijs

oh, man! God created man in his image and gave him WILL, which connotes that he did not create Evil but left
it for the humans to choose good from bad!!
And ofcourse, God doesn't hate humans, he hates Evil and evil-doers. This is also the Muslim belief.

 

[Tuffdisc]

Didn't God create the wrongdoer? ijs

God only created us, mankind does the doing of wrong

 

[Zorak]

God only created us, mankind does the doing of wrong

Nice little get out claus.

Do the animals do wrong then when they engage in homosexual sexual behaviour? Do they have free-will too? Is it only humans God is bothered with?

What's so wrong about homosexuality? God let murderers into heaven. The murderer who was crucified next to Jesus being an example..

 

[Tuffdisc]

Nice little get out claus.

Do the animals do wrong then when they engage in homosexual sexual behaviour? Do they have free-will too? Is it only humans God is bothered with?

What's so wrong about homosexuality? God let murderers into heaven. The murderer who was crucified next to Jesus being an example..

Is it not clear that the murderer was forgiven, if homosexuals stopped what they were doing, I am sure they would also be forgiven, just because in your point of view that they 'do no harm' is just that, your point..what they engage in is unnatural, why do we have females for?

As of 'gay' animals, doesn't mean that homosexuality is normal, if you can point it out how that would prove it is normal, please do point it out

 

[Zorak]

Is it not clear that the murderer was forgiven, if homosexuals stopped what they were doing, I am sure they would also be forgiven, just because in your point of view that they 'do no harm' is just that, your point..what they engage in is unnatural, why do we have females for?

As of 'gay' animals, doesn't mean that homosexuality is normal, if you can point it out how that would prove it is normal, please do point it out

I'd say getting into heaven despite committing the ultimate sin counts as being forgiven... Wouldn't you? Forgiven? Hell, he was rewarded.

Anyway, I don't base my opinions of normal on a 3000 year old text written by a number of individuals and then edited by hundreds more in the ensuing 2000 years...

 

[Tuffdisc]

I'd say getting into heaven despite committing the ultimate sin counts as being forgiven... Wouldn't you? Forgiven? Hell, he was rewarded.

Anyway, I don't base my opinions of normal on a 3000 year old text written by a number of individuals and then edited by hundreds more in the ensuing 2000 years...

Uh-huh, but isn't that up to God who is forgiven and goes to heaven and who goes to hell?

I don't base my theories on scientists who say this and that, then the next minute say something completely different as regards to homosexuality. I have looked at the basis of biology, I mean the word biology should say something about what that really means
(biology means we need two people of difference sexes in order reproduce, concluding the fact that something is not right about two people of the same gender having sex) and if you think I haven't questioned the Bible and think like some people in the deep south of America, you are so badly mistaken, because you base your dislike on me by the things I have said, purely because you don't agree with what I said. Simply, you think I am some bigoted religious person who has never questioned God, or the teachings what is said in the bible


To put things straight, it is good to question things that have been said, if anyone can't question anyone without accusations of being a homophobe, strikes to me as being strange, it is like throwing the race card i.e. we can't question say anything to upset their poor little feelings

I bet you have never questioned scientists, just taken their word for it because they have fancy new technology to talk rubbish all the time

 

[Zorak]

Uh-huh, but isn't that up to God who is forgiven and goes to heaven and who goes to hell?

I don't base my theories on scientists who say this and that, then the next minute say something completely different as regards to homosexuality. I have looked at the basis of biology, I mean the word biology should say something about what that really means
(biology means we need two people of difference sexes in order reproduce, concluding the fact that something is not right about two people of the same gender having sex) and if you think I haven't questioned the Bible and think like some people in the deep south of America, you are so badly mistaken, because you base your dislike on me by the things I have said, purely because you don't agree with what I said. Simply, you think I am some bigoted religious person who has never questioned God, or the teachings what is said in the bible


To put things straight, it is good to question things that have been said, if anyone can't question anyone without accusations of being a homophobe, strikes to me as being strange, it is like throwing the race card i.e. we can't question say anything to upset their poor little feelings

I bet you have never questioned scientists, just taken their word for it because they have fancy new technology to talk rubbish all the time

I challenge you to find where I called you a homophobe. Don't put words in my mouth.
But you are right about one thing, I don't like you. I think you're backwards and stupid.

I have a couple of gay friends, and if I had to choose between you and 'biology', and them - well, it's an easy choice.